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Linebreeding Greyhounds
Marcus McRostie Australia (Verified User) Posts 2 Dogs 0 / Races 0 07 Feb 2022 00:33
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For the past few years I have been researching linebreeding within thoroughbred pedigrees. Linebreeding using sex balanced duplications of influential sire lines, duplicating influential dams and full, 3/4 and half siblings. I am a huge fan of absolutely anything Tesio and have studied the pedigrees of his best horses, he was truly a master who bred several undefeated horses. I am completely new to the concept of greyhound breeding and wondering if these linebreeding principles and the same or similar as thoroughbred breeding. Also wondering who are some good greyhound pedigrees to look at.
Jakota Rohde Australia (Verified User) Posts 163 Dogs 1 / Races 0 07 Feb 2022 01:20
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Hey mate. Greyhounds are a hell of a lot more linebred/inbred, than horses, as the gene pool in horses far outweighs that of greyhounds.
Have a look at Allen deed stop progeny. Many people knock allen deed as a sire, however its very obvious the way most of his top progeny are bred, and this is reinforcing the wheelers foundation Gold rush bale damline. Its duplicated, sometimes multiple times, within many of allen deeds top progeny.
You could also look up many of Fernando bales top progeny. You will see many are line bred direct to his damline, namely awesome assassin and Black Shiraz. Many of his top progeny carry these crosses in their damlines.
Wayne Garner Australia (Verified User) Posts 743 Dogs 26 / Races 16 07 Feb 2022 04:53
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Marcus McRostie wrote:
For the past few years I have been researching linebreeding within thoroughbred pedigrees. Linebreeding using sex balanced duplications of influential sire lines, duplicating influential dams and full, 3/4 and half siblings. I am a huge fan of absolutely anything Tesio and have studied the pedigrees of his best horses, he was truly a master who bred several undefeated horses. I am completely new to the concept of greyhound breeding and wondering if these linebreeding principles and the same or similar as thoroughbred breeding. Also wondering who are some good greyhound pedigrees to look at.
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Marcus McRostie Australia (Verified User) Posts 2 Dogs 0 / Races 0 07 Feb 2022 10:27
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Thanks mate, very interesting with Allen Deed's progeny, certainly a patterns that also happen in Thoroughbred breeding.
Also with Fernando Bale, all top progeny have similar desirable pedigree traits.
Thanks for your help
Jack Ogilvie Australia (Verified User) Posts 15483 Dogs 0 / Races 1 09 Mar 2022 22:44
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Marcus a few years back I started a thread great 3x3 crosses there is some great greyhounds bred this way also 3x4 . Cheers jack
Michael Barry Australia (Verified User) Posts 7405 Dogs 26 / Races 9 10 Mar 2022 00:41
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Jack Ogilvie wrote:
Marcus a few years back I started a thread great 3x3 crosses there is some great greyhounds bred this way also 3x4 . Cheers jack
Graham Moscow Australia (Verified User) Posts 1186 Dogs 0 / Races 0 10 Mar 2022 01:17
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Marcus McRostie wrote:
For the past few years I have been researching linebreeding within thoroughbred pedigrees. Linebreeding using sex balanced duplications of influential sire lines, duplicating influential dams and full, 3/4 and half siblings. I am a huge fan of absolutely anything Tesio and have studied the pedigrees of his best horses, he was truly a master who bred several undefeated horses. I am completely new to the concept of greyhound breeding and wondering if these linebreeding principles and the same or similar as thoroughbred breeding. Also wondering who are some good greyhound pedigrees to look at.
Starting point to learn Australian greyhound bloodlines are Temlee and Waverley Supreme Both sires and there sons grandsons etc dominated Aussie bloodlines for a long time. Start with Temlee, Tangaloa with two main strains ( Eaglehawk Star and Pretty Short. Also Temlee Little Blade Brother Fox another big dominant strain Waverley Supreme two main strains Malawi and Chariot Supreme, they are the beginning of potent longevity bloodlines with many duplications Its worth noting Temlee and Waverley Supreme were cousins ( Prarie Peg ) Also Waverley Supreme a litter brother to Lauradella Fun. You will see other strains of Temlee Waverley Supreme now fizzed out. Dead lines
Graham Moscow Australia (Verified User) Posts 1186 Dogs 0 / Races 0 10 Mar 2022 03:58
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Wayne Garner wrote:
Marcus McRostie wrote:
For the past few years I have been researching linebreeding within thoroughbred pedigrees. Linebreeding using sex balanced duplications of influential sire lines, duplicating influential dams and full, 3/4 and half siblings. I am a huge fan of absolutely anything Tesio and have studied the pedigrees of his best horses, he was truly a master who bred several undefeated horses. I am completely new to the concept of greyhound breeding and wondering if these linebreeding principles and the same or similar as thoroughbred breeding. Also wondering who are some good greyhound pedigrees to look at.
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https:/ CLICK HERE Head Honcho 4 X 4 Temlee. Click on Head Honcho Top off spring, look at dam sire column and you see many Waverley Supreme sireline
Mark Staines Australia (Verified User) Posts 4499 Dogs 70 / Races 14 10 Mar 2022 04:13
Mark Staines Australia (Verified User) Posts 4499 Dogs 70 / Races 14 10 Mar 2022 06:59
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Thanks Graham ! That's the sort of information our governing bodies state and federal should be putting on there websites but they won't because it may offend those inner city latte sipping anti's !!!
Steve Harvey Australia (Verified User) Posts 1175 Dogs 0 / Races 0 10 Mar 2022 21:42
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Marcus McRostie wrote:
For the past few years I have been researching linebreeding within thoroughbred pedigrees. Linebreeding using sex balanced duplications of influential sire lines, duplicating influential dams and full, 3/4 and half siblings. I am a huge fan of absolutely anything Tesio and have studied the pedigrees of his best horses, he was truly a master who bred several undefeated horses. I am completely new to the concept of greyhound breeding and wondering if these linebreeding principles and the same or similar as thoroughbred breeding. Also wondering who are some good greyhound pedigrees to look at.
From what pedigrees I've seen for thoroughbreds & standardbreds these days is that Tesio's theories on producing superior racing animals are a tad forgotten in my book but bloodstock agents all keep split pedigree charts or books of their own just like Tesio used in his day. Our family with greyhounds also used our own split pedigree book & charted them up when linebreeding to select what we thought were best suited sires ancestry to our trace maternal female lines for quite a few generations with group successes. At the end of the day its completely up to the breeder as everybody has their own theories to produce superior racing animals. Check out Just The Best's pedigree as an example of linebreeding for success but there are many others as other folks on this thread have mentioned. Just speaking from our own experiences Marcus. You can spend endless hours studying pedigrees to increase your greyhound breeding knowledge thats for sure m8.
David Brasch Australia (Team Member) Posts 844 Dogs 2140 / Races 9672 11 Mar 2022 03:28
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An excerpt from the book "Tesio - Master of Matings" written by famed Australia thoroughbred pedigree expert Ken McLean.
"We know that by using outbreeding or outcrossing we cannot hope too much for the mating to produce offspring that will have dominance, or hope to fix specific characteristics in the line. Only by reducing the genetic pool by duplicating superior ancestors can certain gene groupings be reinforced - hopefully at double strength for dominance. Outstanding performers tracing from female lines not having produced good sires usually are not successful when they go to stud. There are always exceptions though. Outbred performers represent a big risk as breeding stock; inbred or linebred performers with a superior ancestor duplicated represent a lesser risk and sires from female lines that have previously produced good sires, hardly any risk. This is a general statement and there will be examples on occasions to upset this summary."
Matt Griffiths Australia (Verified User) Posts 1955 Dogs 56 / Races 2 11 Mar 2022 22:20
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David Brasch wrote:
An excerpt from the book "Tesio - Master of Matings" written by famed Australia thoroughbred pedigree expert Ken McLean.
"We know that by using outbreeding or outcrossing we cannot hope too much for the mating to produce offspring that will have dominance, or hope to fix specific characteristics in the line. Only by reducing the genetic pool by duplicating superior ancestors can certain gene groupings be reinforced - hopefully at double strength for dominance. Outstanding performers tracing from female lines not having produced good sires usually are not successful when they go to stud. There are always exceptions though. Outbred performers represent a big risk as breeding stock; inbred or linebred performers with a superior ancestor duplicated represent a lesser risk and sires from female lines that have previously produced good sires, hardly any risk. This is a general statement and there will be examples on occasions to upset this summary."
So a sire like Aston Duke is going extremely underappreciated?
Paul Dicks Australia (Verified User) Posts 10281 Dogs 120 / Races 252 12 Mar 2022 02:51
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Let's face it. 99.9% of greyhounds are line bred to some degree. Saying line breeding is the answer to breeding success, is like saying dogs with four legs tend to be the fastest.
Graham Moscow Australia (Verified User) Posts 1186 Dogs 0 / Races 0 12 Mar 2022 06:51
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Paul Dicks wrote:
Let's face it. 99.9% of greyhounds are line bred to some degree. Saying line breeding is the answer to breeding success, is like saying dogs with four legs tend to be the fastest.
Line bred or outcross. Breed a 100 dogs and achieve 20-30 percent city winners your a genius. 10-19 percent city winners is successful breeding. 1-9% city winners your struggling. From memory PAW target was 7 percent group dogs per 100 dogs plus city winners. Thats why its such a hard sport to be successful. Knowing when to line breed or when to outcross is key factor in breeding creating successful damlines
Penny Doyle United Kingdom (Verified User) Posts 353 Dogs 8 / Races 0 12 Mar 2022 13:26
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interesting breedin to look at my retired boys pedigree
Graham Moscow Australia (Verified User) Posts 1186 Dogs 0 / Races 0 12 Mar 2022 22:24
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Many decades ago this ex London race dog was imported to race in Australia. Went to stud and IMO was the greatest imported sire of all Note the line breeding 2X4 Castledown Lad and Tanist with 15X8 Mutton Cutlet. Note pedigree sex balanced
https:/ CLICK HERE Two sons Mister Moss and Takiri
Maybe ( Sir) David Brasch has some historical facts on this dog and his impact on Australian greyhound breeding
Steve Harvey Australia (Verified User) Posts 1175 Dogs 0 / Races 0 13 Mar 2022 16:52
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penny doyle wrote:
interesting breedin to look at my retired boys pedigree
Here are just 2 bitches you can look at their pedigrees in depth & see we also specifically line bred the female line as well & we had a fair bit of group & city success Marcus. with this maternal line. Bitches are names Hiraani Blade & Fullerton Miss.
Steve Harvey Australia (Verified User) Posts 1175 Dogs 0 / Races 0 13 Mar 2022 20:18
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Also what I will say is that computers have made the sire suitability selection process so much easier than it used to be that's why we had our own split pedigree book in use that my grandfather started way back before I was born.
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