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AVA Australia want to ban FSI page  1 2 


Robynne Black
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This is something people need to stand against.
The AVA want to ban Surgical FSI

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Kudah Vet Services in WA are the first to say they will no longer be doing FSI
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Darren Leeson
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When are our leaders going to stand up against the pathetic agenda against this industry??????



Robynne Black
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Darren Leeson wrote:

When are our leaders going to stand up against the pathetic agenda against this industry??????

Do we even have leaders ?


Michael Worth
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The way it reads it sounds like a done deal being phased out by January 2024. I think if TCI is basically as successful as implant and can be done in a shorter timeframe with less complications and Id imagine would be cheaper then it may not be such a bad thing. The problem is when they implement these regulations in such short time they never have the new procedures and training up and running to fulfil the numbers who require the new procedures when needed. Cheers


Geoff Collins
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SMH activist journo Mary Ward writing in The Guardian continued their sustained attack on the industry by putting together a one sided, biased, sensationalist artical denegrating frozen semen implants and placing a negative focus once again on the greyhound industry. Here's part of what she wrote.

"Vets want an invasive and painful technique, which incolves removing the uterus, banned across Australia
About 80% of racing greyhounds in NSW are bred using surgical artificial insemination. The Australian Veterinary Association has released a new policy declaring SAI "must not be performed in dogs".
"It involves general anaethesia of the animal, laparotomy (abdominal incision) exteriorisation of the uterus and transuterine wall introduction of (typically) frozen thawed semen into the uterine lumen" it said
The uterus is then replaced into the abdomen, and the surgical incision sewn up"

Yes the female is anaethetised so first question is 'how is it painful ?' .. and yes there is an abdominal incision, but it's usually only 35mm (1 1/2 inches) long .. the vet then gently lifts the horns of the uterus up (they the size of drinking straws but flexible) with his/her finger but does NOT remove them ... the vet then injects the semen into both horns with a very fine needle (25 guage) and gently lowers them back down and sews the female up. It's a 5 minute operation, 10 minutes tops. Same story without the sensationist crap

The irony is that many vets opposed to FSI book are quick to suggest that breeders book their females in for a far more invasive procedure .. an elective ceaser

If you feel inclined to write a response - Mary Ward - Sydney Morning Herald (Sun Herald) [email protected]



Darren Leeson
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Well said Geoff, its just an anti attack yet again. How invasive is desexing? I.E removing the ovaries and the uterus. Something vets do all the time to general breeds at 6 months!



Darren Leeson
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Just wrote to her - everyone should!!

Hi Mary,

Your article in the guardian. Is clearly written to portray greyhound racing in a poor light. As anti-journalists do.

I challenge you to not isolate greyhound racing as all antis conveniently do away from the general canine breed. Rather compare ALL breeds as one I.E pet dogs and the racing dog.

Lets see who looks after and cares for their dogs the best. Because any real journalist should pride themselves on being objective and looking at all the facts.

Firstly, whats the difference in the pet industry de-sexing 6 month old female pups, surgically spayed by removing ovaries and uterus? Society has no problem with this practice.

Then society readily accepts the countless atrocities found in the PET industry on a daily basis. They even make TV shows about them! Something antis quite conveniently dont discuss at all. Rather go after the greyhound industry. Who set the standards, by which all PET ownership should be made live by. Hypocrisy abounds everywhere in PET ownership and the antis.

I post the below regularly on social media and will continue to do so. I challenge you to not isolate greyhound racing. Rather write an article on ALL breeds of canine as one breed, the dog. Lets see how greyhound racing matches up with the constant and endless amounts of atrocities in PET ownership.

Regards,

Darren Leeson
Greyhound owner-breeder

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With some 5 million pet dogs and 4 million pet cats in Australia, the REAL problem with animal welfare is and always has been pet ownership. Which government barely do a thing about. For fear of voter backlash! Why we see some 250,000 healthy pets euthanised across Australia.

Society readily accepts roaming pet cats day and night stalking and killing wildlife. The owners of these pet cats have blood on their hands! How many pet owners of dogs and cats have seen their beloved pet proudly bring home a wildlife kill and the owner has simply put the dead carcass in the rubbish bin and carried on with their life...without any repercussions whatsoever!

Pet dogs and cats running on to roads being maimed and killed!

Pet owners with obese pets and all the health issues associated with obesity.

Any number of pet whisperer TV shows highlighting and exposing poor pet behaviour due to poor pet ownership!

Pet dogs viciously attacking other dogs and people on a daily basis!

Healthy pets abandoned not wanted and often euthanised because theyre no longer of any interest to pet owners.

Pets breaking legs from running competitively against each other in parks and simply euthanised with no funds or desire by owners to fix the injury!

The REAL problem with animal welfare is and always has been pet ownership!

The RSPCA wasnt created for the greyhound industry!!!!!!

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Google away

Three-year-old NZ toddler bitten by dog while giving it 'a nice cuddle'

Dog who attacked man during farm fight was 'protecting his family'

Pet mauled to death, woman injured in Adelaide dog attack

Boy requires surgery after vicious dog attack at Lake Macquarie home

My Dog Was Hit By a Car: What should I Do? | Animal Emergency & Referral ...
dog hit by car
WHAT TO DO IF YOUR PET HAS BEEN HIT BY A CAR : Have the number and address of the nearest emergency vet handy.

RSPCA investigating after badly injured dog abandoned in park | Gold Coast ...

Dog Who Was Morbidly Obese And Couldn't Walk Makes Amazing ...

You could spend a lifetime on a minute by minute basis finding PET OWNERSHIP atrocities!!!!!!!!

5 million pet dogs 4 million pet cats...and these warped minds think greyhound racing is the problem.




Sandro Bechini
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19 Jan 2023 21:24


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Darren Leeson wrote:

Just wrote to her - everyone should!!

Hi Mary,

Your article in the guardian. Is clearly written to portray greyhound racing in a poor light. As anti-journalists do.

I challenge you to not isolate greyhound racing as all antis conveniently do away from the general canine breed. Rather compare ALL breeds as one I.E pet dogs and the racing dog.

Lets see who looks after and cares for their dogs the best. Because any real journalist should pride themselves on being objective and looking at all the facts.

Firstly, whats the difference in the pet industry de-sexing 6 month old female pups, surgically spayed by removing ovaries and uterus? Society has no problem with this practice.

Then society readily accepts the countless atrocities found in the PET industry on a daily basis. They even make TV shows about them! Something antis quite conveniently dont discuss at all. Rather go after the greyhound industry. Who set the standards, by which all PET ownership should be made live by. Hypocrisy abounds everywhere in PET ownership and the antis.

I post the below regularly on social media and will continue to do so. I challenge you to not isolate greyhound racing. Rather write an article on ALL breeds of canine as one breed, the dog. Lets see how greyhound racing matches up with the constant and endless amounts of atrocities in PET ownership.

Regards,

Darren Leeson
Greyhound owner-breeder

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With some 5 million pet dogs and 4 million pet cats in Australia, the REAL problem with animal welfare is and always has been pet ownership. Which government barely do a thing about. For fear of voter backlash! Why we see some 250,000 healthy pets euthanised across Australia.

Society readily accepts roaming pet cats day and night stalking and killing wildlife. The owners of these pet cats have blood on their hands! How many pet owners of dogs and cats have seen their beloved pet proudly bring home a wildlife kill and the owner has simply put the dead carcass in the rubbish bin and carried on with their life...without any repercussions whatsoever!

Pet dogs and cats running on to roads being maimed and killed!

Pet owners with obese pets and all the health issues associated with obesity.

Any number of pet whisperer TV shows highlighting and exposing poor pet behaviour due to poor pet ownership!

Pet dogs viciously attacking other dogs and people on a daily basis!

Healthy pets abandoned not wanted and often euthanised because theyre no longer of any interest to pet owners.

Pets breaking legs from running competitively against each other in parks and simply euthanised with no funds or desire by owners to fix the injury!

The REAL problem with animal welfare is and always has been pet ownership!

The RSPCA wasnt created for the greyhound industry!!!!!!

EXTERNAL LINK
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Google away

Three-year-old NZ toddler bitten by dog while giving it 'a nice cuddle'

Dog who attacked man during farm fight was 'protecting his family'

Pet mauled to death, woman injured in Adelaide dog attack

Boy requires surgery after vicious dog attack at Lake Macquarie home

My Dog Was Hit By a Car: What should I Do? | Animal Emergency & Referral ...
dog hit by car
WHAT TO DO IF YOUR PET HAS BEEN HIT BY A CAR : Have the number and address of the nearest emergency vet handy.

RSPCA investigating after badly injured dog abandoned in park | Gold Coast ...

Dog Who Was Morbidly Obese And Couldn't Walk Makes Amazing ...

You could spend a lifetime on a minute by minute basis finding PET OWNERSHIP atrocities!!!!!!!!

5 million pet dogs 4 million pet cats...and these warped minds think greyhound racing is the problem.

Great points mate

Of course, the weak-arsed woke anti's will run a mile, instead of arguing with you, because they have no argument

They are a pack of self righteous whingers trying to make themselves feel like they are important to the world

Our leaders need to keep promoting our standards to the rest of society and not take any shit from the antis




Darren Leeson
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19 Jan 2023 21:46


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Spot on mate!


Geoff Collins
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Research from Insurance Australia estimates that 10 million animals die on Australian roads every year, that's 27,400 a day !!

In the US, an estimated 6 million dogs are killed on the roads annually, that's 16,500 every day !!

Time to ban cars and close all roads

As I understand it, the AVA have no power to introduce anything. They have no legislative power and cannot prosecute. They are not the Veterinary Board and I'd be interested to find out how many members they have and who runs it .. but they sound formidable and are great for activist journos wanting to quote a source to back their agenda



Darren Leeson
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19 Jan 2023 22:42


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Anti to the hilt - EXTERNAL LINK


Paul Dicks
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I know no one wants to hear it, but as I've been saying it for years. Tragically the antis will "get" the greyhound industry eventually. It's sad and upsetting but I'm afraid it's inevitable. Fight the good fight team.


Sharon Chignell
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With the assistance of Greyhounds Australasia and GWIC in N.S.W. it's a matter of when the Anti's prevail not if !

The only hope for N.S.W. is if Labor win the upcoming Election by a clear majority and rid the
N.S.W. Greyhound Industry of GWIC !




Mark Staines
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The above post was made by me, not Sharon Chignell !

I don't know how the hell that occurred ?





Darren Leeson
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Its getting to the point, where we need a players association, similar to other sporting codes. Not so much to use strike action as a leverage tool, as thats shooting ourselves in the foot!

Rather to supply a grass roots voice to the media. With no ties or allegiance to government or antis. Because, as sure as hell, the ones running this show are MIA, because of it!

How the hell can this topic gain traction, when again as Ive mentioned, society and vets desex domestic females from 6 month old puppies. Which is far more invasive than FSI!


Hayden Gilders
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My understanding was that greyhound clubs australia and greyhound clubs Victoria and the likes were initially whelped to provided and argue the facts in support of the industry on these and other issues. They have been reared and broken in and the task is beyond them . Time for the gap?



Christine Costa
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People should be asking, what the minimum count of sperm per vial is required for TCI? I suspect that many vials sitting in freezers with be non-fundable under TCI and insufficient to enable fertilisation and pregnancy.



Darren Leeson
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Christine Costa wrote:

People should be asking, what the minimum count of sperm per vial is required for TCI? I suspect that many vials sitting in freezers with be non-fundable under TCI and insufficient to enable fertilisation and pregnancy.

As was posted on Kudah Vets - Another consideration is that TCI generally uses 2 frozen matings. For many people they may have only 1 mating of a particular dog. This will render much valuable genetic material useless and have a negative impact on the gene pool .



Paul Dicks
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We have far bigger worries than this FSI ban in my opinion. I know of a bloke up here in Queensland with 21 dogs in his kennel. All of them are retired due to injury or lack of ability. He can't get them into GAP and he can't find homes for them. How long can he sustain this I don't know, but it's a tough situation.
Similarly I have a good mate who is racing dogs that he admits are legless. He's putting them around regardless because he picks up appearance money and gets the occasional 3rd or 4th with luck. They really should be rehomed but likewise where do they go to?


Mark Staines
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There will never be enough GAP places it's all part of the plan to reduce the number of Greyhounds being bred !!!

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