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Robynne Black Australia (Verified User) Posts 1449 Dogs 20 / Races 0 21 Mar 2023 11:32
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kim johnstone wrote:
You can get a titre test to prove that you are covered for the c3 element as that can last longer. But you will still need the kc part regardless as its more like a flu shot needs to be annual
Titre Testing should be accepted by State Authorities - will it be though because the reason for this new rule is for what real reason ? Its more expensive to TT , but I would pay the extra to keep my dogs healthy. There are more than 90 strains of KC , so yearly Vaccinations DO help minimise the risk of lung scarring with bad cases across the board . I will never recommend intranasal because the risk of full blown infection is far too high with the live vaccine.
Paul Dicks Australia (Verified User) Posts 10281 Dogs 120 / Races 252 21 Mar 2023 11:37
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All I'm saying is that stating a million dogs die a day because of over vaccination is a severe over exaggeration at least or alarmist conspiracy theory tin foil hat rhetoric at worst.
Scott Jackson Australia (Verified User) Posts 308 Dogs 0 / Races 0 21 Mar 2023 18:22
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Has there been a sudden surge in dog deaths relating to issues this vaccine will prevent?
Matt Griffiths Australia (Verified User) Posts 1955 Dogs 56 / Races 2 21 Mar 2023 20:10
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Realistically it's a couple of starts travel money to keep your dog up to date vaccinated for a year
No one bats a eyelid if it's vaccinate your broodie yearly or vaccinate your pups because it keeps your pups safe. What if one of your race dogs happened to bring a bug home from the track and it reached your pups? $80-100 for a C5 to prevent it is dirt cheap all of the sudden
Scott Jackson Australia (Verified User) Posts 308 Dogs 0 / Races 0 21 Mar 2023 20:29
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Matt, thats fine, but until people know why its necessary, they have every right to question things. The industry and breed survived this long without annual jabs, and my last comments asks a relevant question-has there been a surge in deaths due to the issues the jab protects dogs from? If not, then why bring it in? Just a little added cost here, another over there followed by some more and bang, we all complain about the cost of breeding, rearing etc etc We cant complain about the big picture if we openly ignored the small steps it took to get there.
Kim Johnstone Australia (Verified User) Posts 75 Dogs 14 / Races 0 21 Mar 2023 20:31
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Titre testing is accepted part d vet can certify the greyhound is protected. Will still have to have the kennel cough element
rule below ( 3) The minimum vaccination requirements are: (a) C3 Vaccination between six and eight weeks of age and prior to registration of a litter; (b) C5 Vaccination between 10 and 16 weeks of age and prior to registration of a litter; (c) C5 Vaccination at between 12 and 16 months of age and prior to naming; and (d) once in every further 12-month period a C5 Vaccination unless a veterinarian certifies the greyhound is protected to a C5 level
Sandro Bechini Australia (Verified User) Posts 19488 Dogs 15268 / Races 1856 21 Mar 2023 20:41
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What Robynne has said is correct
The lung scarring that can occur through a racing greyhound getting kennel cough turning into pleurisy or pneumonia can be devastating to a dogs racing career and overall health and eventual survival.
It's a small price to pay for the safety factor.
I, personally, am more than happy to pay for it and any preventative treatments to try and ensure the safety of my dogs.
Scott Jackson Australia (Verified User) Posts 308 Dogs 0 / Races 0 21 Mar 2023 21:18
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On whose advice has this come about? Surely not those trying to sell the product-call me a cynic bahahaha It truly never ends.
Michael Geraghty Australia (Verified User) Posts 4138 Dogs 14 / Races 15 21 Mar 2023 21:38
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Hopefully I can put this to bed.
There are two main components to a C5 LEVEL vaccine...
C3 - Parvo, Distemper and Hepatitis.
C4/5 - KC etc
It is the C4/C5 component that needs to be yearly NOT C3!
Most C3 vax cover for 3 YEARS, so you just need to check that the right C3 is given, then it is JUST the C4/C5(KC) given yearly.
Example... Pup 12mths old...C3+C4/C5.
2yo ... C4/C5(KC) only NOT C3!
3yo ... C4/C5(KC) only NOT C3!
4yo ... C3 + C4/C5
5yo ... C4/C5(KC) only NOT C3! Etc, etc...
So, C3 every 3 years, C4/C5(KC) every year.
The QGBOTA has been in contact with the QRIC and they are going to release a clear statement of what the requirements are. GA has also confirmed that the above is CORRECT.
Hopefully there will be no more confusion.
Cheers.
Robynne Black Australia (Verified User) Posts 1449 Dogs 20 / Races 0 21 Mar 2023 21:51
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Paul Dicks wrote:
All I'm saying is that stating a million dogs die a day because of over vaccination is a severe over exaggeration at least or alarmist conspiracy theory tin foil hat rhetoric at worst.
Did I say a million dogs a day ?? I can't see where I said that.
Robynne Black Australia (Verified User) Posts 1449 Dogs 20 / Races 0 21 Mar 2023 22:05
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Michael Geraghty wrote:
Hopefully I can put this to bed.
There are two main components to a C5 LEVEL vaccine...
C3 - Parvo, Distemper and Hepatitis.
C4/5 - KC etc
It is the C4/C5 component that needs to be yearly NOT C3!
Most C3 vax cover for 3 YEARS, so you just need to check that the right C3 is given, then it is JUST the C4/C5(KC) given yearly.
Example... Pup 12mths old...C3+C4/C5.
2yo ... C4/C5(KC) only NOT C3!
3yo ... C4/C5(KC) only NOT C3!
4yo ... C3 + C4/C5
5yo ... C4/C5(KC) only NOT C3! Etc, etc...
So, C3 every 3 years, C4/C5(KC) every year.
The QGBOTA has been in contact with the QRIC and they are going to release a clear statement of what the requirements are. GA has also confirmed that the above is CORRECT.
Hopefully there will be no more confusion.
Cheers.
Thank you Michael this makes WAY more sense for our dogs health !!
Paul Dicks Australia (Verified User) Posts 10281 Dogs 120 / Races 252 22 Mar 2023 01:58
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Robynne Black wrote:
Paul Dicks wrote:
I'm struggling to see why people are so anti C5. If you ever see a dog with Parvo you will never forget the look in their poor eyes or forget the terrible stench that comes with this insidious disease. We forget we don't worry about the diseases prevented by the C5 vaccine, because we have very rarely had to deal with them.
I'm not anti vaccine at all. "OVER VACCINATION IS WHAT KILLS MILLIONS OF PETS EVERY DAY." It has nothing to do with watching a dog die of parvo , its about killing your dogs immune system so they die a slow death. Maybe they should have done some actual research first , and perhaps some titre testing before throwing a new stupid rule at us to please the activists.
See above in CAPS
What other animals besides Dogs, Cats and Small Mamalian animals get vaccinated and can be killed by over Vaccination? You clearly say "MILIONS A DAY" here? What percentage of these millions of pets are dogs? Even if it's a small minority, it's still hundreds of thousands of dogs a day dying from over Vaccination.
Some empirical science based evidence is required to back up this outlandish statement.
Raymond Peter Fewings Australia (Verified User) Posts 248 Dogs 0 / Races 0 22 Mar 2023 02:30
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Aggressive type. Ever been reported for marring?
Paul Dicks Australia (Verified User) Posts 10281 Dogs 120 / Races 252 22 Mar 2023 02:47
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What's aggressive about reasonably asking someone to back up their statements? I haven't been rude or unfair. If you are talking about using Caps it's only to highlight Robyn's statement and answer a question she herself asked.
Greg Russell Australia (Verified User) Posts 107 Dogs 0 / Races 0 22 Mar 2023 03:51
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What is the difference between C3 and C5 vaccination? C3 vaccination covers Parvovirus, Distemper and Canine Infectious Hepatitis. A C5 vaccination covers those in a C3 vaccination plus additional cover for Bordetella and Canine parainfluenza virus.
Bordetalla (a bacteria) and Canine parainfluenza virus (a virus) are the two main causes of kennel cough (KC). KC can also be caused by other respiratory infections depending on circumstances.
Danny Phillips Australia (Verified User) Posts 126 Dogs 0 / Races 0 22 Mar 2023 07:15
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Youngsters are mostly the victims but they catch it from older dogs. I would like to see plausible scientific evidence of even one dog dying of over vaccination
Paul Dicks Australia (Verified User) Posts 10281 Dogs 120 / Races 252 22 Mar 2023 08:25
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Robyn was saying "millions of pets a day" are dying from over Vaccination, not of the individual Vaccination itself I understand. On those figures that means over half a billion pets a year die of over Vaccination. It seems incredible but I recall she worked in the vet industry, so maybe it's true. I'm just waiting for the evidence to back up her claims.
Robynne Black Australia (Verified User) Posts 1449 Dogs 20 / Races 0 22 Mar 2023 08:58
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Paul Dicks wrote:
Robynne Black wrote:
Paul Dicks wrote:
I'm struggling to see why people are so anti C5. If you ever see a dog with Parvo you will never forget the look in their poor eyes or forget the terrible stench that comes with this insidious disease. We forget we don't worry about the diseases prevented by the C5 vaccine, because we have very rarely had to deal with them.
I'm not anti vaccine at all. "OVER VACCINATION IS WHAT KILLS MILLIONS OF PETS EVERY DAY." It has nothing to do with watching a dog die of parvo , its about killing your dogs immune system so they die a slow death. Maybe they should have done some actual research first , and perhaps some titre testing before throwing a new stupid rule at us to please the activists.
See above in CAPS
What other animals besides Dogs, Cats and Small Mamalian animals get vaccinated and can be killed by over Vaccination? You clearly say "MILIONS A DAY" here? What percentage of these millions of pets are dogs? Even if it's a small minority, it's still hundreds of thousands of dogs a day dying from over Vaccination.
Some empirical science based evidence is required to back up this outlandish statement.
Oh yes I said PETS . I have a lot of friends in the Veterinary Profession - and they all know it to be true as well. Did someone steal your lunch ? Is there any real need to be such a nasty person , you sure love to try to degrade anyone you don't agree with. I'm happy to shout you a snickers if that helps ?
Paul Dicks Australia (Verified User) Posts 10281 Dogs 120 / Races 252 22 Mar 2023 09:09
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Where have I been nasty or denigrated you?
I have so many questions. Can you please provide some evidence, besides hearsay from friends in the Vet Profession? What percentage of these "millions of pets a day" are dogs? If as you say, over half a billion pets die a year from over vaccination, why aren't those very same Vet Friends doing something about it? No wonder the Vet game has the highest suicide rate in the world, they are implicit in the mass genocide millions of pets around the world through over vaccination. We should be letting the media know and doing something about this. It's almost criminal if it's true.
Robynne Black Australia (Verified User) Posts 1449 Dogs 20 / Races 0 22 Mar 2023 09:27
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Paul Dicks wrote:
Where have I been nasty or denigrated you?
I have so many questions. Can you please provide some evidence, besides hearsay from friends in the Vet Profession? What percentage of these "millions of pets a day" are dogs? If as you say, over half a billion pets die a year from over vaccination, why aren't those very same Vet Friends doing something about it? No wonder the Vet game has the highest suicide rate in the world, they are implicit in the mass genocide millions of pets around the world through over vaccination. We should be letting the media know and doing something about this. It's almost criminal if it's true.
Do some research yourself I'm not your secretary , plenty of vets have tried to have themselves heard and have been shut down. If you truly think the Pharmacuetical companies don't rule the Vet and Medical Professions then you can't or refuse to accept what really happens.
Do you have questions about breeding theories? 
