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David Mennie Australia (Verified User) Posts 657 Dogs 5 / Races 1 01 Apr 2023 00:53
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This bitch handy enough and beautiful style of a 30 kg leggy long blue bitch good chase and fantastic temp...but did not get 500 strong so need to throw strength thought of this also prefer not top use black dogs (rehoming ) https:/ CLICK HERE https:/ CLICK HERE although with panma not overly keen on 2 american sire lines
Matt Griffiths Australia (Verified User) Posts 1955 Dogs 56 / Races 2 01 Apr 2023 11:27
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A little bit outside the square, but Barcia Blue boy would've got 600 judging by his littermates
Michael Worth Australia (Verified User) Posts 875 Dogs 2 / Races 0 01 Apr 2023 19:38
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Hey David, the American sires will definitely add strength and give you every chance of not producing black offspring. Most of their dogs carry the red, fawn and brindle colours for a number of generations. Looking way outside the square and depending if you want commercial pups to sell, forgotten dogs like Blue Lorain ( strength in dam line) Dashing Corsair ( could do it at both ends) and the brothers Chinatown Lad and Fallen Zorro would all add strength and are not black. These dogs dont have many offspring because they simply werent used. When they were they did produce reasonable offspring. Of course there are also numerous modern day sires that could fit the bill. Good luck . Cheers
Luke Miller Australia (Verified User) Posts 794 Dogs 56 / Races 17 01 Apr 2023 20:03
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A dog that should fulfil all your prerequisites would be Christo Bale https:/ CLICK HERE
David Mennie Australia (Verified User) Posts 657 Dogs 5 / Races 1 01 Apr 2023 22:42
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Matt Griffiths wrote:
A little bit outside the square, but Barcia Blue boy would've got 600 judging by his littermates
ty ill check him out
David Mennie Australia (Verified User) Posts 657 Dogs 5 / Races 1 01 Apr 2023 22:51
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ty luke hadnt though of him ..looks strong and well bred
David Mennie Australia (Verified User) Posts 657 Dogs 5 / Races 1 01 Apr 2023 22:55
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Ty micheal
Rob Ingram Australia (Verified User) Posts 287 Dogs 13 / Races 0 03 Apr 2023 00:27
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Hi David
If you want a super strong dog...not black...that could wind the hands off the clock in races...here
https:/ CLICK HERE Matches your colour profile you are looking. Whilst we stand BBB as well if you want the strength and speed this would be a great choice as well! Gives you a couple of options!
All the best Rob
David Mennie Australia (Verified User) Posts 657 Dogs 5 / Races 1 05 Apr 2023 09:21
I like it. I looked at this exact mating bit didn't suggest it because you said you weren't keen on 2 American sirelines
Roger Spry United Kingdom (Verified User) Posts 69 Dogs 0 / Races 0 06 Apr 2023 06:41
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Hi David, Words of wisdom as said to me by the wise old man that produced the only bitch to win the Produce Stakes and English Derby 1949 Narrogar Ann from his Group 3 bitch Winnie Of Berrow . It can take a year for you to find the right brood bitch but only a day to locate the stud dog. Do you think it is wise to breed from a bitch that was more suited to 400 mt races than 520 mt, By the way the 1952 English Derby winner Endless Gossip was out of Narrogar Ann . he was exported to the USA , his son Big Gossip won 102 races over there , the rest is in the history books , they were very strong hounds .
Very few stud dogs over the years have added strength year in year out ,only Clonalvy Pride , Movealong Santa ,Spectre, in more recent times Hondo Black ,thought by many to be the best sire of 480 -800 mt hounds ever.
If you want to risk ending up with even more 300 mt hounds like many breeders in Australia that is your choice .
I wish you the very best David , breeding is not an exact science , just try and keep the odds in your favour.
Ryan Vanderwert Australia (Verified User) Posts 5958 Dogs 8 / Races 0 06 Apr 2023 13:03
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David Mennie wrote:
This bitch handy enough and beautiful style of a 30 kg leggy long blue bitch good chase and fantastic temp...but did not get 500 strong so need to throw strength thought of this also prefer not top use black dogs (rehoming )
One from left field that possibly meets your criteria David.
His best offspring were consistently strong from memory. It's a plus your girl can add good chase https:/ CLICK HERE . g/l.
William Porterfield United Kingdom (Verified User) Posts 18 Dogs 0 / Races 0 07 Apr 2023 07:52
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dorotas wildcat looks pretty good well balanced,he is throwing so fast stock ahe has a good litter to a fernando bitch over here . i believe he is avalable over there.sorry cant put it up
dorotas wildcat looks pretty good well balanced,he is throwing so fast stock ahe has a good litter to a fernando bitch over here . i believe he is avalable over there.sorry cant put it up
https:/ CLICK HERE Is that what you were looking for William
William Porterfield United Kingdom (Verified User) Posts 18 Dogs 0 / Races 0 07 Apr 2023 11:07
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yes thanks sandro
William Porterfield United Kingdom (Verified User) Posts 18 Dogs 0 / Races 0 07 Apr 2023 11:48
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sandro that is the litter but t.b.m.is very well balanced to wildcat ssb to kb,and again through collison/rosemary bale,plus the rumble line is provento the minnies line plus the j.t.b.double up all proven at a elite level.
Roger Spry United Kingdom (Verified User) Posts 69 Dogs 0 / Races 0 07 Apr 2023 17:31
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Hi David, Your bitch is from a litter that ran a total of 152 Races , very hard to see you getting hounds that will win over 520 mts let alone 720. Not one win from the litter over 500 mt , alarm bells should be ringing loud and clear David , if you are happy to race over 300 mt that is what you are most likely to get , cost a lot to rear a litter David. it is no wonder that so many races in Australia are run over 275 mt - 400 mt , When i think of the stayers that were about in the past , they were good over 480 mt and even better over 750 ,some even went over 900 mt, what has gone wrong with breeding today i ask. I would not think of breeding from a bitch that could not run a strong race over 520 mt .it will be interesting to see what you do and what the outcome is, i wish you the very best David but fear the worst .
Do you have questions about breeding theories? 
