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Do you have questions about breeding theories?
Or do you need tips on how to rear your pups?

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Paul Dicks
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03 Jul 2023 23:44


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Just off the top of my head here is a list of Greyhound Breeding Theories, please feel free to add any I've overlooked.

I'd be interested to know what your favourite method/theory is and why.

Tesio

Rasmussen Cross

X Path

Proven to Proven

Through the Middle

Nicks and Clicks

Lots of Temlee good, even more Temlee better.

Best to Best (Hope for the Best)

From my limited experiences we've had the best results from RasX pedigrees. To be honest at the time it wasn't the reason for our sire choices, it was dumb luck. But looking back they were our most successful litters. Hindsight is 20/20 vision as they say. Having said that, most of our breedings have had a RasX in it, so it could be a case of Baader-Meinhof Phenomenon


Matt Griffiths
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04 Jul 2023 01:00


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I'm far from a breeding buff, but I think every broodie is different what works. Common sense goes a long way and a few basic things are vital regardless
1. Broodie and pups healthy as they can possibly be
2. Look what has worked best with similar bred broodies
3. If it's a proven and tried sire ask breeders, breakers and trainers their opinion of the sire to see if he'll contribute positive or negative attributes to your planned mating
4. Feed/rear them as good as possible and hope it goes to plan


Paul Ballantine
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04 Jul 2023 04:31


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Iv never been one to worry what the breeding looks like on paper.
Iv only breed a litter every now and then so I look at what I need to try and upgrade the bitch.. one litter I breed I listen to a so called expert and it turned out the worst litter iv had.
The last litter I breed I I wouldnt know what it looks like on paper but more than happy with how they are turning out.
I havent breed any superstars so my way of breeding may not be the way to go but it suits me


Matt Griffiths
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04 Jul 2023 06:03


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paul ballantine wrote:

I havent breed any superstars so my way of breeding may not be the way to go but it suits me

You've bred a G1 NZ Oaks winner, a G2 Maitland cup finalist and a G1 futurity finalist (who run 29.4 at wenty) and your breed is responsible for one of the hottest stayers in Queensland currently. I think you've done alright for a litter every now and then


Paul Dicks
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04 Jul 2023 06:47


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I've added a couple of more suggestions...

Tesio

Rasmussen Cross

X Path

Proven to Proven

Through the Middle

Nicks and Clicks

Lots of Temlee good, even more Temlee better.

Best to Best (Hope for the Best)

Head Honcho, New Tears, Chariot Supreme & Bowetzel in 3 of the ancestors Theory

18.8% Theory

Lemon Soda Cross in the X



Shayne Stiff
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04 Jul 2023 10:15


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THE REARING PROBABLY THE MOST IMPORTANT




Darren Leeson
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paul ballantine wrote:

Iv never been one to worry what the breeding looks like on paper.
Iv only breed a litter every now and then so I look at what I need to try and upgrade the bitch.. one litter I breed I listen to a so called expert and it turned out the worst litter iv had.
The last litter I breed I I wouldnt know what it looks like on paper but more than happy with how they are turning out.
I havent breed any superstars so my way of breeding may not be the way to go but it suits me

Courage of your convictions. Best type of theory, to put your beliefs into action. Youre an elite breeder, whichever way you look at it.



Paul Dicks
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04 Jul 2023 11:14


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I've added a couple of more suggestions...
Tesio

Rasmussen Cross

X Path

Proven to Proven

Through the Middle

Nicks and Clicks

Lots of Temlee good, even more Temlee better.

Best to Best (Hope for the Best)

Head Honcho, New Tears, Chariot Supreme & Bowetzel in 3 of the ancestors Theory

18.8% Theory

Lemon Soda Cross in the X

Line Breeding

Courage of your Convictions Theory (That's a new one, not sure how that one works)



Howard Moshinsky
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04 Jul 2023 12:56


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just enjoy dont drive yourself nuts look foward to trainors call about pups progressing and fiding out it was least expected getting call 2 ampups are sick going to work anxious hear of first 2 wins that beats any 2x4 or 3x3 nonsense com on people makeit fun also breed to any dog you loved at the track its all fun best of luck



Howard Moshinsky
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04 Jul 2023 12:58


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baider meinhof wasnt that a german left wing trrorist group



Jack Ogilvie
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04 Jul 2023 22:27


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How are you can't be serious.3x3 rubbish? Pull your head out and search great 3x3 crosses. No greater proof of breeding a champion.


Paul Dicks
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04 Jul 2023 22:41


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Thanks Jack I forgot about that classic. A couple more added to the list...

Tesio

Rasmussen Cross

X Path

Proven to Proven

Through the Middle

Nicks and Clicks

Lots of Temlee good, even more Temlee better.

Best to Best (Hope for the Best)

Head Honcho, New Tears, Chariot Supreme & Bowetzel in 3 of the ancestors Theory

18.8% Theory

Lemon Soda Cross in the X

Line Breeding

3 x 3 and 3 x 2 Theory




Jack Ogilvie
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05 Jul 2023 00:47


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Out cross blood is very important with tired lines.When to introduce good out cross blood is very important with tired lines.


Paul Dicks
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05 Jul 2023 01:35


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Of course how could I forget the Outcross? Possibly the biggest breeding influence of the last couple of decades.

Tesio

Rasmussen Cross

X Path

Proven to Proven

Through the Middle

Nicks and Clicks

Lots of Temlee good, even more Temlee better.

Best to Best (Hope for the Best)

Head Honcho, New Tears, Chariot Supreme & Bowetzel in 3 of the ancestors Theory

18.8% Theory

Lemon Soda Cross in the X

Line Breeding

3 x 3 and 3 x 2 Theory

Outcross


Steven John Lloyd
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05 Jul 2023 05:42


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The Edge = Outcross = Thicker or Stronger Strain
All The Dogs / Litters below contain an edge that enables them too have just that
Timor Blue
Ballymac Maeve
Zero Ten
Droopys Sydney
Pestana
Theres definitely a pattern & you tweak certain avenues & theres your edge.


Tony Digiorgio
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05 Jul 2023 07:56


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Don't forget: Linebreeding through different individuals.



Nathan Bendeich
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05 Jul 2023 11:54


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City / Grp performer to multiple GRP winner and trec holder .



Jack Ogilvie
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05 Jul 2023 22:04


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As long as these matches are compatible.


Paul Dicks
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I tend to agree with Nathan's thinking. Regardless of compatible pedigree matches (and what does really mean anyway?). His criteria is a winning formula. Don't make me wheel out Alan Capper's breeding stats like I always do in these situations.


Sandro Bechini
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05 Jul 2023 23:19


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Any mating , deemed successful or otherwise, could contain a number of any of those so-called theories

I think theories is very poor terminology for the whole thread

Most of these processes are what people have seen over time to be leading aspects of a successful racers pedigree that they wish to re-create, but it seems to be a half glass full vs a half glass empty approach. People who support any of whats mentioned see what they want to see that supports their thinking and block out the negatives.

The only one who goes close to being a theory is Ryan's, as from what I understand, he tries to use genetic markers in X paths and Y Paths, proven by science to re-create superior individuals in a pedigree. He makes no judgement on any sire and purely looks for the markers in the pedigrees that support his thinking.

Whether he is successful or not its not for me to say or to judge him on, but at least he is providing some insight into what may be going on further back down the line

From my personal experience, I am pretty basic and use proven nicks in my mating's and try to cover the whole pedigree with proven nicks within the first 4 generations to try and shut off any weaknesses there may be lying in the pedigree.

I generally try to balance out the pedigree with an outcross sire that I know nicks with the lines I am working with in the pedigree of the prospective sire/dam and don't line breed within 3 generations unless I feel there is enough outcross to balance it out

Then I come up with a selection of sires that fit my criteria and then I go through the process of finding complements to the females physical characteristics i.e. size, early speed, finishing speed, stamina, keenness, chase, hyper/laidback etc

Then there is the rearing, early education and handling and then break in, pre-training and training which all shape a dogs future on the track

If you fail in any of those latter stages, you are up shit creek anyway

I think that's the best I can do..if it works it works, if it doesn't then back to the drawing board

I can find a combination of all these so-called above mentioned theories in any of the mating's I have done in the past and probably into the future

I think any person who relies SOLELY on any one of those so-called theories is wasting their time

Therefore, in my mind, they aren't theories at all, only characteristics built up over time that people notice and then latch onto with some kind of obsession

On their own, they aren't answers to the riddle of breeding a great dog

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