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Do you have questions about breeding theories? Or do you need tips on how to rear your pups?
What does rearing mean?
Darren Leeson Australia (Verified User) Posts 1343 Dogs 154 / Races 139 22 Jul 2023 20:21
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Something that doesnt really get delved into. Once the pups are weaned off the mother and into their puppy pen. Whats the ideal way to rear a pup in readiness for break in?
Wayne Garner Australia (Verified User) Posts 743 Dogs 26 / Races 16 22 Jul 2023 20:30
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Plenty of room to learn to gallop Plenty of good beef n foods Worming Fresh water Clean yards with no shit in them n I mean pick it up not just mow over it. If pups get to sight birds or prey would be good for there instinct
Tony Digiorgio Australia (Verified User) Posts 1008 Dogs 25 / Races 0 22 Jul 2023 20:30
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Ideally, in bush surroundings with plenty of galloping space. Plus the right feeding, and nature will take care of the rest.
Tony Digiorgio Australia (Verified User) Posts 1008 Dogs 25 / Races 0 22 Jul 2023 20:32
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We must have been typing at the same time Wayne.
You must have heard me thinking....... :-)
Paul Dicks Australia (Verified User) Posts 10281 Dogs 120 / Races 252 22 Jul 2023 20:48
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All very important no doubt, but I think you've missed one of the most vital points. HANDLING. So many rearers put the pups in the paddock throw food into the run every day, but don't handle the pups. Human interaction with growing pups is vital in developing good habits. So many owners think rearing is the annoying 12 months before they get broken in and want to skimp on the cost. Couldn't be further from the truth. Rearing can make them and it can definitely break them.
My old mate used to always say. Good rearing hasn't made many ordinary pups great, but bad rearing has ruined plenty of great pups. Our greatest successes over the years, came when we reared our own. It was time consuming and costly, but it was a fantastic long term investment.
From another thread rearing is the process that can make breakers look bad
Paul Ballantine Australia (Verified User) Posts 284 Dogs 10 / Races 8 23 Jul 2023 03:37
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Everyone has there own ways to rear. I rear my own and have them in a yard around 20by30m They are let out daily in two 2 acre paddock till 5 months then let out in 5 acre paddock daily till kennelled around 13/14 months Plenty of handling from birth Bull ring 7 months 9 months 11and 1/2 months Put n drag twice before break in. If I have a fast one from a litter it will show it strait away at break in .
Paul Dicks Australia (Verified User) Posts 10281 Dogs 120 / Races 252 23 Jul 2023 04:55
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Hayden Gilders wrote:
From another thread rearing is the process that can make breakers look bad
Everyone has there own ways to rear. I rear my own and have them in a yard around 20by30m They are let out daily in two 2 acre paddock till 5 months then let out in 5 acre paddock daily till kennelled around 13/14 months Plenty of handling from birth Bull ring 7 months 9 months 11and 1/2 months Put n drag twice before break in. If I have a fast one from a litter it will show it strait away at break in .
Thats pretty much copybook and a true recipe for success, you can vary slightly from that depending on the pup's characteristics but that is a great basic plan
Conventional wisdom on this forum is that stud dogs are degraded by brood bitch owners. Its a tough gig being a stud dog owner
Darren Leeson Australia (Verified User) Posts 1343 Dogs 154 / Races 139 23 Jul 2023 22:05
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Some great replies! Having access to one of the best in the business, whos reared many Group class dogs. Everything Ive had off the property chase at break in! When I see the amount of time and effort they put in. Thats not luck, but great rearing!
Some great replies! Having access to one of the best in the business, whos reared many Group class dogs. Everything Ive had off the property chase at break in! When I see the amount of time and effort they put in. Thats not luck, but great rearing!
Hi Darren, Is there anything out of the norm that the above do that may assist others.
Mark William Claxton Australia (Verified User) Posts 958 Dogs 0 / Races 0 24 Jul 2023 04:37
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High protein diet & correct calcium helps with muscle development & therefore build.
Darren Leeson Australia (Verified User) Posts 1343 Dogs 154 / Races 139 24 Jul 2023 06:05
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Hi Nathan, more just attention to detail, in all thats been mentioned above. Where the confidence is there, the pup is going to do its very best when arriving for break in.
Im constantly shown evidence of it throughout, where I dont have to request to see it. They tell me all the time they love what they do, get excited at the development of certain pups from as young as 6 months of age.
When youre putting in the very best effort, a pup should be showing a rearer KPIs along the way. For example, they reared current Albion Park track record holder Jay Is Jay and told me, he just kept developing into a a beast of a dog in all aspects, throughout the rearing process.
Paul Dicks Australia (Verified User) Posts 10281 Dogs 120 / Races 252 24 Jul 2023 06:27
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At the end of the day, people often forget a greyhound is just a dog like any other in the canine breed. They want to do their best to make owners/trainers happy. They aren't machines, they thrive on human contact and affection. Positive affirmation goes a long way in my opinion. My old mentor reckoned they are so intuitive they could sense anything from tension to admiration through the lead. The truly great trainers/rearers have a real connection or sixth sense with their charges.
Ryan Vanderwert Australia (Verified User) Posts 5958 Dogs 8 / Races 0 24 Jul 2023 06:50
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Darren Leeson wrote:
....When youre putting in the very best effort, a pup should be showing a rearer KPIs along the way. For example, they reared current Albion Park track record holder Jay Is Jay and told me, he just kept developing into a a beast of a dog in all aspects, throughout the rearing process.
Key Performance Indicators(KPI's), are very specific in the business world Darren, so what particular aspects in Jay is Jay's rearing specifically reflect in those KPI's ?
Jay is Jay(xSennachie) raced at approx 31.5kgs Is weight at certain ages one of their KPI's for example?
I know another person rearing Sennachie pups and they are a fine cut of a dog apparently. It may just be Sennachie throws that 'type'?
Just interested to know what exactly those KPI's are. Cheers.
Darren Leeson Australia (Verified User) Posts 1343 Dogs 154 / Races 139 24 Jul 2023 09:41
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KPIs are specific to all industries Ryan, the greyhound game no different.
Rearers watch them develop everyday of their lives. Especially when they are extremely hands on like mine are. My rearers mention to me from time to time as early as 6 months of age, the way certain pups develop in conformation, attitude, the way they carry themselves in the pack and gallop. They get quite excited about the odd one and Jay Is Jay was one of them. They said there was a real presence about him right from 6 months of age. He was an absolute standout.
Ryan Vanderwert Australia (Verified User) Posts 5958 Dogs 8 / Races 0 24 Jul 2023 10:18
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Hi Darren, in the industry I was from KPI's were used to measure actual performance.
I incorrectly thought your rearer had found a way to do that with greyhounds, i.e. using actual data with you mentioning KPI's, similar to what Trevor R did with that super litter he had a few yrs ago. Trevor used a GPS tracking system I think from memory.
The KPI's for rearing and development of pups are set out very plainly in GWIC's Code of Practice
Whilst some of it is a little OTT, due to involvement of non-racing groups like RSPCA & DPI, but the basic principles of healthy nutritious food, good shelter, plenty of space for exercise and socialization as a pack and socialization and handling with humans, along with the suggested timeframes for teaching lead walking and basic education and introduction to the racing environment are covered and timeframed in the document from birth to break in
How each rearer uses that information and the methods to get to each KPI is really up to them and the time they want to spend to teach the pups. The key element is handling though.
What is in that document is the minimum most rearers should be doing to enhance the success of the pups they are rearing
Darren Leeson Australia (Verified User) Posts 1343 Dogs 154 / Races 139 24 Jul 2023 21:34
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Sandro nailed it Ryan. My rearer does all that. Where my posts are more all that Sandro said are taken as given, such is our long standing relationship. Where I was more relaying the end result, which then allows for their keen eye to assess a pup off all their efforts along the way in the rearing process.
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