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To Sulzanti she had eight individual winners (from eight born) of $384,075, an average of $48,009 each.

To Aston Dee Bee she had six individual winners (from six born) of $330,645, an average of $55,107.

ADB's mum and AR's mum were sisters.

Your proposal seems the obvious choice.

Tony, I notice you've tried Koblenz twice; 12 months ago and just recently. Any pups?

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There are so many, many people on here far better qualified than me to analyse your proposed litter, and there'd be no better judge than you to know what characteristics she may have lacked when looking for a sire to instill those missing links.

It strikes me that she might have been slightly "dour" in that she wasn't brilliantly fast but kept chasing her clacker off. Perhaps a little bit more early-speed-input from her intended "beau" might not go astray?

On this point, and I hope you take it the way it's meant, I congratulate you for getting so many starts out of not only her, but the whole Fernvale line. They seem to have a lot of starts; meaning they retain their chase and are sound.

As for Aston Rupee, who knows? It's a bit early to tell with him in regards to their characteristics. If your intended litter has the best of both of them you're on a winner/s.

Good luck with whatever you do.

ps - I'll take prize money over "group dog" every day of the week and also those who espouse unfathomable outcross/linebreeding percentages any day. The TAB Everest is not a Group race but I'd rather win that than a Group One.

Well done on all success to date bud ! Unbelievable mating the Sulzanti litter , Im guessing a lot of planning and long term vision to end up with her present lines !

The Sulzanti litter is exactly the kind of matings that can push theories or methods as we believe to know them !

The front page intensity is as high as you can go on several crosses yet all pups to race won and won from 300-700 mtr .

For me if I was being critical on anything is the early speed not being as high as you would love your chasers to be !

I would use a son of an outcross .where I know the sire has worked to the Scissor Queen damline !

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Good luck and well done bud !

If you had read my thread and others properly the answer to the brood having enough early speed is there !

Any sire can throw a good litter mark , its about who too , cross positioning and also luck !
Sulzanti is the perfect example for these things listed , talking about a sire who under achieved .

How much is a Sulzanti straw worth these days ? How much is Orson ?

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If you want a commercial or over achiever sire mark , theres no point in asking for an opinion , go to one of the top 5 sires and be done with it ! Ill guarantee you wont get a line bred / duplicate litter like Sulzanti going down that road ! ( Bernardo excluded )

Its the only reason Orson Allen hasnt had his numbers match the others , the example above is proof enough he throws a top shelf chaser and many others !

Most importantly its the first sectionals his chasers have shown is what your hoping for with the brood in question with her own other traits to take care of the rest as she has already done before providing 700 mtr winners .

He throws chase yes , but he also throws early speed second to none and every now and then to a really successful mating he throws exactly the same top shelf ability chasers as the top 5 , or no less then Sulzanti more to the point , and look at what he produced in the right mating . .

29.10 Gosford cup heats yesty is one example as it happened during this conversation for a Orson chaser , 2nd quickest qualifier only to something that closed in on the trec . To a Zulu Zeus chaser ? Another under achieving sire youd categories as Im guessing

If Orson Allen was yours , youd be tickled pink !

Hes underused , not under impressive ! Theres a big difference .