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What age to buy from breeders?
Mick Crowe Australia (Verified User) Posts 1232 Dogs 78 / Races 114 31 Jan 2006 10:18
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At what age would a breeder or trainer get an indication of whether a litter is looking promising.
A recent purchase of a bitch at 11 months of age has ended with the dog showing nothing at breaking in stage. Did the breeder know this dog was not going to make it at 11 months old??
I'm now going to get a pup of about 2-6 months age. What's your thoughts?
Thomas Mcgrath Ireland (Verified User) Posts 1023 Dogs 13 / Races 0 31 Jan 2006 13:00
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HI DUCK18 ITS ANNA,
NOT IN EVERY CASE THIS HAPPENS, SOME BREEDERS DO HAVE PUPS AROUND THE TRACK FROM 9MTHS TO SEE THERE PROTENTIAL, AND IF THERE NOT UP TO THERE STANDARDS THEN THEY WOULD SELL. JUST REMEMBER IT TAKES SOME PUPS A LITTLE LONGER TO CATCH ON TO WHAT RACING IS ALL ABOUT, AND PERSONALLY 11 MYHS IS STILL VERY VERY YOUNG TO KNOW. IF YOU HAVE PLENTY OF ROOM I WOULD RECOMMEND TAKING A PUP AT 3MTHS TO ALLOW FULL GROWTH OF THE PUP ETC: THERE IS NO APPEAR INDICATION WHETHER A LITTER WILL BE GOOD OR NOT UNTIL THEY ARE OLD ENOUGH TO BE SCHOOLED, IF YOU GALLOP THE PUP YOU WILL SEE ABIT OF POTENTIAL.
HOPE THIS HELPS, JUST MY OPINION:
Mick Crowe Australia (Verified User) Posts 1232 Dogs 78 / Races 114 31 Jan 2006 13:48
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thanks anna, will be going for the younger pups this time, was keen to get one on the track quickly though first time around. Lesson learned.
Thomas Mcgrath Ireland (Verified User) Posts 1023 Dogs 13 / Races 0 01 Feb 2006 14:36
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HI DUCK18 ITS ANNA,
ONE THING ABOUT GREYHOUNDS YOU WILL NEVER LEARN EVERYTHING, LESSONS WILL ALWAYS BE LEARNED. YOU LEARN FROM YOUR MISTAKES, WE ALL DO:
KIND REGARDS.
Simon Milgate Australia (Verified User) Posts 2043 Dogs 23 / Races 0 22 Mar 2019 07:26
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No connection to this sapling add in the classifieds Australia but raised my eyebrows a bit not only age but price also.(ready to break in) out of Rhonda Rocks
Doug Smart Australia (Verified User) Posts 867 Dogs 1 / Races 0 22 Mar 2019 08:01
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Brought a pup from the auction's at wenty back in the 90's it was 13 months old it did win wenty and around the tab tracks cost me $1100
Robert Morris Australia (Verified User) Posts 695 Dogs 0 / Races 0 22 Mar 2019 10:36
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Simon Milgate wrote:
No connection to this sapling add in the classifieds Australia but raised my eyebrows a bit not only age but price also.(ready to break in) out of Rhonda Rocks
Previous litter are exceptional so why not get the price if you can. Just me but Ive never brought a pup older than 3 months.
Colin Bermingham Australia (Verified User) Posts 340 Dogs 4 / Races 17 22 Mar 2019 10:55
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Best bet is to buy them young 3-4 months its a lottery at that stage best judge in Aus couldn't pick the champ at that age
Andrew Varasdi Australia (Verified User) Posts 1287 Dogs 2 / Races 11 22 Mar 2019 18:22
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Colin Bermingham wrote:
Best bet is to buy them young 3-4 months its a lottery at that stage best judge in Aus couldn't pick the champ at that age
With some exceptions, ie I know the seller and Rearer, agree. Pretty much every pup I buy now comes from looking at matings, picking the ones I like, calling people. Often it happens long before pups are whelped.
Simon Milgate Australia (Verified User) Posts 2043 Dogs 23 / Races 0 22 Mar 2019 18:55
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Myself personally I think 25k for 15month old unbroken is too risky.
Nathan Bendeich Australia (Verified User) Posts 1223 Dogs 13 / Races 0 22 Mar 2019 19:32
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On recent other threads lately the discussion about what goes into a pup at every month is equally vital to the next month ie. food ,training input and its surroundings
With this in mind , a very astute breeder once told me never buy a pup older then 5 mths
Every month over this IF its had lacking in food , training (handling ) and galloping runs , its a month youll never get back and could be irreversible
3-5 mths is the optimum
Buying at 12-16 mths breakers
How many times does a hot breaker in the litter turn out to be one of the average pups with the slowest breaker improving again and again
I understand there is a level at some point where a hot breaker is so good its too hard to ignore and its worth is undeniable , but its still just a breaker .... Its running solo or one other dog Again the chances of it not repeating these hot times in its maiden in a field are again high
There will always be the storys of all the stars bought for 30-50k off one trial But I bet you the storys of all the pups bought for massive money and failed would be tenfold !
Conclusion
Buy at 3-5 mths or if you have the cash to splash ......Id be buying after 3-5 starts Not trial times , you could be saving yourself 20k if its a spastic in a field It might cost you another 10-20k in waiting but at least you know what you have
Cheers good luck
Glenn Hatton Australia (Verified User) Posts 4852 Dogs 92 / Races 98 23 Mar 2019 06:19
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3 months
Matt Griffiths Australia (Verified User) Posts 1954 Dogs 56 / Races 2 23 Mar 2019 06:38
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Everyone seems to be saying the younger the better and I agree, but in NSW you give the 2nd needle at 12-14 weeks, then ear branding/microchip at 13-16 weeks, then you have to wait for naming papers to come back which takes 4-6 weeks (can't sell them without papers). If things go against you and everything takes its time the pups can't be put up for sale until 5 1/2 months.
Robert Morris Australia (Verified User) Posts 695 Dogs 0 / Races 0 23 Mar 2019 06:49
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Matt James wrote:
Everyone seems to be saying the younger the better and I agree, but in NSW you give the 2nd needle at 12-14 weeks, then ear branding/microchip at 13-16 weeks, then you have to wait for naming papers to come back which takes 4-6 weeks (can't sell them without papers). If things go against you and everything takes its time the pups can't be put up for sale until 5 1/2 months.
Not much difference b/w 3 & 5 months and you can still purchase at 3 months and leave them with breeder till papers done. Ive found more issues with trying to sell pups as whelping costs only to 12 weeks & your left paying rearing for several pups until they can be taken.
Matt Griffiths Australia (Verified User) Posts 1954 Dogs 56 / Races 2 23 Mar 2019 07:47
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Yeah but it isn't really fair if you sell a pup then tell the purchaser they have to pay rearing fees until you get the paperwork together for them to move their pup to where they want it reared. That's why you pretty much have to wait until 5 months to sell a pup in NSW. The options are ask for rearing fees which is probably a bit rude or sell a pup and pay rearing fees on it until gwic is ready
Matt Griffiths Australia (Verified User) Posts 1954 Dogs 56 / Races 2 23 Mar 2019 07:50
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I know you can probably let the pup go and just mail the paperwork at a later date, but both breeder and purchaser would have to be pretty trustworthy
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