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John Ford Australia (Verified User) Posts 289 Dogs 2 / Races 0 12 Aug 2009 07:02
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Jack Martin Zappala wrote:
WATCH THE WEB :D
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Cye Travers Australia (Verified User) Posts 83 Dogs 11 / Races 6 13 Aug 2009 06:34
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It seems a few people think the Bit Chilli pups have these traits, are they also running good times?
Scott Parkes Australia (Verified User) Posts 632 Dogs 79 / Races 75 13 Aug 2009 11:27
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This fellows' pups are hard chasers and when the opportunity presents they are running around, under or through dogs that get in their way. They are showing racing sense beyond their age, its great to see a dog think before he makes a move and then go for it!
CLICK HERE DIFFUSER has had pups from his first 3 litters that are racing all win a race.
Peter O'Shaughnessy Ireland (Verified User) Posts 205 Dogs 8 / Races 0 02 Jan 2010 00:55
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Some researh for u ...
Attila Sofran Australia (Verified User) Posts 472 Dogs 9 / Races 0 02 Jan 2010 03:40
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i have a litter from shanlyn prince and keeped 3 and they are at mitchell lodge and geoff say's that they are some of keenist he has seen for a long time. bluey is a smart ass as he gets some food from his dish then places on the ground, he then hides in his kennel and then bang there goes another bird. On counting he would at least be on more than 30 birds. But one morning about a month or so ago he was feeding my pups that have turned a year old and rusty and bluey had caught a rabbit on there own with both of them ripping it to shreds. He say's there just mad lol.
All he said to me if they have a motor they could be alright.
P.S. Why do rabbits try and get into greyhound runs. lol
cheers attila
Michael Barry Australia (Verified User) Posts 7402 Dogs 26 / Races 9 02 Jan 2010 03:51
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P.S. Why do rabbits try and get into greyhound runs. lol
cheers attila
they usually dont lol
mick
Attila Sofran Australia (Verified User) Posts 472 Dogs 9 / Races 0 02 Jan 2010 04:03
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well when i worked at delta park there where heaps of little rabbit holes there and i asked michelle are they just stupid and she replyed they must be. I also know trainers in devon medows and pearcedale and i see the same thing rabbit holes near the fence line. And before they put any dog in the runs for excersice they walk up and down the runs filling in the rabbit hole so no injuries occur.
cheers attila
Doug Taylor Australia (Verified User) Posts 2189 Dogs 34 / Races 136 02 Jan 2010 08:39
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From what I've seen the sire lines for throwing chase (even though some can be over the top) are Star Title, Light of Fire, Head Honcho and Brett Lee.
Adam Jones Australia (Verified User) Posts 2275 Dogs 0 / Races 1 02 Jan 2010 15:46
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Black Shiraz is DOMINATING...The last 2 Melb cups, 2 of last 3 Hobart 1000,last 3 Silver Chiefs,last 2 group 1 topguns,Sapphire classic,09 POT,09 Aust cup,Meads tr rec, etc etc etc
Mal Dawson Australia (Verified User) Posts 5640 Dogs 27 / Races 65 03 Jan 2010 00:11
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adam jones wrote:
Black Shiraz is DOMINATING...The last 2 Melb cups, 2 of last 3 Hobart 1000,last 3 Silver Chiefs,last 2 group 1 topguns,Sapphire classic,09 POT,09 Aust cup,Meads tr rec, etc etc etc
Yes ADAM BOMBASTIC SHIRAZ has been dominating for the last couple of years and this year we have seen his sons chipping in as well and im sure with BC pups coming of age this year the domination may even be stronger. The BLACK SHIRAZ sireline produced.. 9 GROUP1 WINNERS IN 2009
BRETT LEE sireline produced.. 6 GROUP1 WINNERS IN 2009
And the next in line was JTB producing.. 3 GROUP1 WINNERS
The TP & AA lines didnt fair as well this year so there could be a changing trend appearing.
Its really coming down to two dominate sirelines from TEMLEE TANGALOA 10 vs BROTHER FOX 9
Then you look at the broodbitches sireline and the results were . BROTHER FOX 11 vs TANGALOA 6
Then we look at the grand dams sirelines and the results change significantly, and for the sake of renewing blood i will call all none TEM sirelines as imports. IMPORTS 9 B FOX 6 TANG 5 Now out of these 11 BF/TANG the next line back 8 of them are from imported lines. So in reading this its not a case of not using imports its when do we expect to get the best out of pedigree when they are used..3 and 4th generations seem to get great results when you dont reintroduce them within that time frame.
But then we look at the freak factor like QUEEN LAURYN, we know she is by a none TEMLEE sireline but the dams sireline had been uninterupted for 4 generations b4 that with BF/TANG/BF/TANG, SO MAYBE THE ARGUMENT OF LEAVING THEM FOR 5 GENERATIONS MAY JUST GET YOU THE FREAK. If this is the case then a bitch like LILLEY CRIMINAL could be absolutely gold in the breeding barn when her sireline reads BF/BF/BF/TANG, would you risk putting her to a TANG sire or straight to TP, a son of TP or a complete outcross to get the next QUEEN LAURYN
Matt Griffiths Australia (Verified User) Posts 1955 Dogs 56 / Races 2 26 Aug 2018 00:33
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adam jones wrote:
Sandro Bechini wrote:
Ian rose wrote:
My observations point to Bombastic shiraz. Although I have a litter of Oxley tigers,they are the good old fashioned rip it off the arm and tear it to threads type chasers.Probably coming from acacia ablaze.
Ian
That's the type we need.....not these steroid-pumped fairy floss sires
Maybe some of those old lines will make a comeback now in this new age of 'drug-free' racing
Were still about 5 years off seeing the "needle free" stud dogs tho Sandro, there's a few at stud now who "just made the cut in time" so they will get the bitches and a million or two, but with EPO almost gone ( intersting side fact about the "bank" of swabs to be tested that have been taken over the last 5 yrs ??? mmmmm ) that's the big one to hurt the big trainers then we will see real dogs racing for the 1st time in the history of greyhound racing.
PS . Going on from the EPO bank of swabs to be tested, how would a breeder go in court suing a studmaster for fraud ( or whatever the correct wording would be for the crime) for supplying a false product ??? Intersting times ahead, nervous times for some.....
I probably shouldn't bother because it will probably only start an argument, but now things are so much cleaner than 10 years ago what sires are throwing consistent natural chase for every trainer and not just the big names.
Magic Sprite and El Grand Senor are known for chase, but they are getting on in age and a lot struggle to run a distance.
Of the newish sires Hostile is the only one that is really known for his pups consistently wanting to be at the track. Are there any other sires that are producing consistent chase?
Nathan Bendeich Australia (Verified User) Posts 1225 Dogs 13 / Races 0 26 Aug 2018 07:05
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Kinloch chase all day , spring gun chase , so far from a 12mth litter of dyna villas I'm rearing they match at worst if not better the above ,simply relentless ..... so much so I can't put weight on a bitch due to simply not being able to stand still ! Sh avatar although calm and seem to reserve their energy , when it's time look out extremely ferocious! Obviously Barcia , good luck keeping the work load up to em but !
Kinloch brae Dyna villa Sh avatar Barcia
Would be my selection of sires to visit first , sorry if they all aren't new Dyna villa for new ..... only a matter of time before he throws a star , probably before Xmas I'll guess ! Cheers
Edward (Ted) Howard Australia (Verified User) Posts 1195 Dogs 16 / Races 0 26 Aug 2018 08:32
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Agree with Matt Hostiles chase their bum off and also Magic Sprite and El Grand Senor.
Jason Hay Australia (Verified User) Posts 321 Dogs 3 / Races 0 26 Aug 2018 09:25
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Surf Florian and elite state for me love the bombastic rapid journey cross head honcho line
Grant Thomas Australia (Verified User) Posts 11447 Dogs 64 / Races 20 26 Aug 2018 18:04
Sandro Bechini Australia (Verified User) Posts 19488 Dogs 15268 / Races 1856 26 Aug 2018 23:24
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They all throw non-chasers
1. Some sires throw more than others
2. The bitches that are put to sires may have poor chasing qualities as well, and generally are not factored into the equation when judging a sire's progeny
Matt Griffiths Australia (Verified User) Posts 1955 Dogs 56 / Races 2 26 Aug 2018 23:37
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Nathan Bendeich wrote:
Kinloch chase all day , spring gun chase , so far from a 12mth litter of dyna villas I'm rearing they match at worst if not better the above ,simply relentless ..... so much so I can't put weight on a bitch due to simply not being able to stand still ! Sh avatar although calm and seem to reserve their energy , when it's time look out extremely ferocious! Obviously Barcia , good luck keeping the work load up to em but !
Kinloch brae Dyna villa Sh avatar Barcia
Would be my selection of sires to visit first , sorry if they all aren't new Dyna villa for new ..... only a matter of time before he throws a star , probably before Xmas I'll guess ! Cheers
Kinloch Brae- I hope you a right. Have some blazin bombers, only 5 months old but are little machines.
Dyna Villa- I have had nothing to do with so I can't comment, but he's definitely a sire not many people would have taken notice of yet and a very good suggestion.
SH Avatar- They are the best kennel dogs you could ever hope for, but what I seen and been told they are also moody on the track so good to hear some positive feedback.
Barcia Bale- every one I have had anything to do with are hyperactive and highly strung in the kennels. Usually good chasers, but can stop and fight at any time. He has been one of the leading sires for a while now though so obviously I've just been unlucky.
I hope for Your sake Nathan that dyna villa does turn out to be a gun sire because there is a need for a change from every litter being by Fernando or Barcia Bale.
Matt Griffiths Australia (Verified User) Posts 1955 Dogs 56 / Races 2 26 Aug 2018 23:48
Are you suggesting Collision or any son of Collision as a sire throwing Chase?
As Sandro said a few posts ago any sire can throw non chasers it's just how many that is the issue. And it can no doubt be the broodies fault for the pups not chasing.
I more restarted this topic because I've been watching the races a lot closer lately and there is still a remarkable amount of pups not chasing and there seemed to be a reoccurring theme on which sires and trainers had dogs that were fighting and which sires had dogs that were not putting in.
Sandro Bechini Australia (Verified User) Posts 19488 Dogs 15268 / Races 1856 27 Aug 2018 00:19
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Its a particular topic of interest to me as I have a bitch which is probably the fastest and strongest I have ever had but has got bad traits
Do I breed or not?
Leaving half a litter of pups unnamed is not good breeding practice, but the other half could end up freaks
Before 2015 we wouldn't worry about such issues too much, but now its a major part of the decision making process
Terry Jordan Australia (Verified User) Posts 6018 Dogs 0 / Races 0 27 Aug 2018 01:53
Are you suggesting Collision or any son of Collision as a sire throwing Chase?
As Sandro said a few posts ago any sire can throw non chasers it's just how many that is the issue. And it can no doubt be the broodies fault for the pups not chasing.
I more restarted this topic because I've been watching the races a lot closer lately and there is still a remarkable amount of pups not chasing and there seemed to be a reoccurring theme on which sires and trainers had dogs that were fighting and which sires had dogs that were not putting in.
Matt : Maybe some pups are allergic to plastics and Hessian? Some need much more motivation & stimulation. We are not rewarding all their senses. The PTB haven't yet provided us with these alternatives. More & More dogs receiving FTC & Marring tickets than ever before. And may I add, being cleared at an amazing rate. (Shortage).
Do you have questions about breeding theories? 
