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Seems to me that Hallucinate may have a big role in linebreeding the Osti line as he can throw a bit of strength. Important when the tendency of Osti linebreeding can be towards speedy short coursers.

My bitch is so huge I'm a bit worried. I have her booked for an elective caesarian - just hope she makes it to then okay - 6 days and counting.

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for that exact 'strength' reasoning............

I'm looking in paricular for a few nice dog pups.

That's a smart idea..............elective 'C'............got to be professional with all this I believe.

Darren,

Would this be an example using Rumble Spirit? Bitch a litter sister to Big Moose, Akka Boy etc and due on this week. Considering this mating now and the second one in 12 months time.

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Darren,

I'm a little confused....and I'm going to show my limited understanding of breeding here but,......

I don't understand how Raheen Star is closely related to Wee Sal?

I understand that Raheen Star is ultimately responsible for I'M PUZZLES which produced SUPERMAN when mated with Brett Lee (which shows that the cross works....and is the reason I sent my bitch Bintali
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....but I don't see how the "line" is all that close to Wee Sal?

I see that there are some common ancestors but you could show that for virtually any 2 dogs.....

There is a decent precedent for linebreeding a top female in those patterns...........and that's 'Amerigo Magic', sire of 'Rapid Journey'.....who's linebred 'Pitstock Park'.

So it's a hard theme to knock..........

Personally, I think any top female linebreeding success is possible provided her best quality offspring is used............

But I'll contradict myself in saying that I prefer linebreeding via both sexed offspring in my breedings......

Taking into account the vitality on offer and the fact that a 'Rumble Spirit' daughter is involved, I'd prefer 'Cosmic'Rumble' over your girl before those 2x options.......longer-term it's the balanced breeding via both sexes for me.

But I can't knock your choices...........you're lnebreeding a real life 'blue hen' of the breed, imho.

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I've got a list on my other PC that pretty much covers a decades plus of winners boasting the theme, (i.e. linebred 'Princess Diro/Waverly Supreme names being bred to each other), within 5x generations, and the ability and quantity it reveals is unbelievable.

So suggesting them as sisters is a bit of a stretch I'll admit..........apologies.........but for what I percieve as being their key names for improved linebreeding opportunity............I reckon in this light than can be termed near on brothers/sisters as a whole.

If you're interested in a look at the list...........let me know your email addy and I'll send it on tomorrow...

cheers

....essentially you are saying that the best way to "linebreed" with Brett Lee (or any other dog for that matter) is to try and line up Waverley Supreme or Princess Diro within 4-5 generations?

...or is it that, as long as WS or PD are present on both sides then linebreeding to any other common ancestor should prove successful?

Told you I don't really understand this stuff...lol

Wouldn't it be nigh on impossible NOT to have Waverley Supreme somewhere in your dogs pedigree?

I'm suggesting that it's the individuals that are bred upon the 'Waverly Supreme' with 'Princess Diro' cross, (i.e. the key cross that's made them )........that are the ones best suited for further enhancement of the family via linebreeding..........

'Malawi's Prince', 'Shining Chariot' and siblings, 'Wee Sal', 'Genuine Replica', 'Alsvider', 'Raheen Star', etc..........all carry this theme close up in their pedigrees and it's sensational the number of group and feature race winners that have resulted from linebreeding these names with each other..........in all combinations too !!

It's the 'pocket' of these names found together in each quality name that is the key to linebreeding this theme successfully.............

Now, if you take this principal and compare it to other successful performers, sometimes other groups of names surface in the breed as well...........

Here's a good example...............'Brother Fox' with 'Osti Lee'.

'Paris Match' carries the same key names as does 'Gun Law Osti'..............and bought together, some offspring benefit.

I realise it's probably hard to fathom that only a few names in 64x of a 5x generation pedigree might delegate all the importance in an outcome.................doesn't really make sense to any logical thinking person...............and realistically it doesn't, because not all offspring turn out top shelf performers from a linebred mating............but some do........and sometimes this is because of the employed linebreeding..........and this linebreeding can sometimes be more positive by linebreeding 'pockets' of names rather than picking out 1x name to duplicate within a 5x generation pedigree.

It's not linebreeding by adding a line of 'Waverly Supreme'...........it's linebreeding individuals bred on the 'WS/PD' nick............

Another great nick is 'Pitstock Park' with sisters 'Zulu/Riviera Moss'..................

'Bay Road Queen' was mated to 'Waverly Supreme' and son 'Chariot Supreme' and the offspring from both developed into quality performers.............this 3/4's same pedigree also linebreeds well................

If you look more to linebreed proven pockets of names rather than an individual name............I've no doubt your results will improve significantly as a breeder.

And again, if you'd like proof..............let me know your email address and I'll be more than happy to pass on my work in detail form.

Anyone for that matter...............cheers

The vast majority of breeders are sheep..........lol.........and I don't mean that in a derogatory sense............ until good proven patterns emerge.........yeah, I reckon it's a tad too early to judge.

Look already at the few comments so far here............if the perception is that 'BL' girls do best outcrossed..........that will effect the breedings of 'BL' females short-term.

I think linebreeding 'BL' himself will prove a winning theme for a few..............but remember, there's only ever a small window of opportunity for anything...........and why few names ever arrive in ones lifetime that can influence a breed.

I think breeders just have to persevere with their beliefs and success will come eventually for any method.

But linebreding cleverly pockets of names will do me......and you can nowadays employ that within the outcrossing elements too..........thanks to frozen semen advancement.

I can't think of any good performers carrying 'Gun Law Osti' doubling.............but I'm sure there are some............hopefully someone will post them after reading this.

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Carries linebreeding for 'Gun Law Osti' like you asked for...........cheers

Miagi.

Still my number 1x baby the 'cursorial' line...........via 'Rocks' and now daughter 'Lil' ..........but 'Ranger K' and 'Anything Wild' are broods I'm breeding with too at the moment.........

I don't have enough pups coming thru using just the 1x damline.........

I remember reading of your 'El Galo' mating.............looks good....

'Bombastic' for a nice daughter ???

cheers......

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if anyone happened to have frozen from him still. Super pedigree..........great to use his daughters as broods..........in today's game.

I;ll get back to you on the 'BL' doubling.............but if history's any guide, it should be a big winner for some..........the champ is a big enough name............and you'd think it'd only be a matter of time before his daughters become top producers in bulk too....

thanks.........