CLICK HERE

Happy to help out if the Owner ever decides to try something like that ... And I do see where you're coming from on this one, John.

The Wad

it appears the many attempts to over capatalise on WEE SAL has led to many genetic complications.
yes there will always be an example of some success, but talking with breeders who used this thesis for a few generations, the most outstanding problem was 'breakdowns'
most agreed there was speed there.it shows up as young teens really setting the tracks on fire, for the 400mtr mark mainly, then they just die.

a lot of breakdowns were being recorded.
so many different bitches, but that saturation was showing up...it can only lead to one answer...it dont work.

my own experiences vindicate the breeders theories, as i have a WP bitch...very quick, very injury prone....the rest of the litter, very quick young, injuries, now even balanced performers.

when you study them closely and compare notes with the breeders, the blame sits fairly with the saturation of WS.

just my experiences and i wouldnt be looking for a sire with her in it if my dams side already had two or more bits on her side...you will be disappointed in time.

daz

sobbing sal double up, 14 months

CLICK HERE

Imagen having a bitch from this mating these days, now that's a dream mating.... CLICK HERE
I'd be looking at this if you could find one (there's stil a couple around...) CLICK HERE

Seeing as this bitch isn't from the WS damline I wouldn't "not do it" if the opportunity arises, but I doubt the double WS will have a great part to play in any success.

Black shiraz line over BDC bitches will work in the future, it's a "certainty" for me, BDC bitches are more valuable then Brett lee bitches IMO Time will tell on that one though.....

Daz, it's v/difficult for me to reasearch the failures unless you have the experience or know of others that do, as you say.

Just wondering if you cld list a few w/out going to too much trouble. I just wanted to chk those peds out for myself the way I look at breeding.

Thx in advance. Ryan.

here's a few that ' over capatalised ' but don't know of ' genetic complications or lot of breakdowns '

Special ancestors i.e. Wee Sal duplicated ( it won't copy & paste)

we are talking about brood hopefully...not there racing careers.
i think, and dave or lawrence can correct me as they own SHIRLYS ROSE, SHE HASNT BEEN MATED AS YET?

but there mother and grand mother is the line in question;
MALAGRO SAL....AWESOME SAL....
these created the laurels winner, MAUREEN SHIRLY, who visited WHERES PEDRO on 2 occassions.
this gave you the double of WEE SAL....now if you want to go to any son of BRETT LEE for an arguments view, would then be increasing WEE SAL to 3 lines of her......if its not working with two, you wouldnt be looking for another strain.

this would happen with any daughters of AWESOME SAL wanting to go to service.(my case ANN SHIRLY)

Originally i was keen to get an outcross for this line, as i really believed it needed a 'kick along'...the choice originally would have been PREMIER FANTASY or KIOWA SWEET TREY.

along came COSMIC RUMBLE with his SPIRAL NAKITA influence, but alas another strain containing WEE SAL...so in my case i wouldnt use any son of BRETT LEE or any sire that had the WEE SAL strain involved.

so the daughters of these matings (WP X MAUREEN SHIRLY or ANN SHIRLY) need, in my opinion to outcross as hard as possible to try and weaken over a few gnerations the WEE SAL influence.

there are probably heaps more ryan, but as this one is close to home, we used this as a good example.

daz

It's something I had wanted to try since we bought this bitch CLICK HERE as a 3 month old pup but Dave's comments made me wary and I thank him for them. I'll still do the double but they'll be a few generations removed and with a sire and dam that were not outwardly showing signs.

He's 1 that come sup on the search i posted.

Special ancestors i.e. Wee Sal duplicated

I think the reason why the Wee Sal double may have worked with TICABOND was the fact that it was through sister's as opposed to simply doubling up on Sobbing Sal, let's not forget, Hot Show Deb whilst never really attracting the attention that Sobbing Sal does was a fine brood bitch in her own right. Factor in the other "strong" bloods such as Gun Law Osti (Brett Lee), Black Shiraz, Thai Magic, and Head Honcho and you have a mighty good balance, something that perhaps with other "double ups" may not have been the case...either that or just damn good luck.

Being closely associated with TICABOND, I might be biased, but I can honestly say that the best of the dog was never seen (I know it is an over used comment), his brother, BONDTURE, after winning his Maiden first up, had to be euthanized at his 2nd start (Lismore), he could have been anything.

Whilst no "champions" the following were/are handy dogs with the Wee Sal double up - Wonderous, Ess Bee Dee, Arvo's Breeze, Arvo's Chill, but as we have established, there aren't too many.

exceptionally well put David. btw EBD looked like being able to take that next step into the superdog category on a couple of occassions, I had him running a racetime post to post which was 2 lengths off velocette at his best.

I think the wee sal cross bred 'correctly' is well worth a try. fwiw.

EXTERNAL LINK

;-)