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James Saunders Australia (Verified User) Posts 2424 Dogs 2 / Races 1 29 Nov 2010 01:59
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he must rate up there now with the best of the irish that have shaped our modern breed .
James Saunders Australia (Verified User) Posts 2424 Dogs 2 / Races 1 29 Nov 2010 02:05
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ill add if no one has noticed the fastest dogs to run around our main tracks this year el grand senor ,fancy mandy and smooth fancy all have him close up in there peds as well having the barney's bitches put back to the new tears sireline very potent mix.
Daryl Annells Australia (Needs Verification) Posts 4706 Dogs 1 / Races 0 29 Nov 2010 02:21
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no doubt james, no doubt. getting the ARVOS for startrers as great credentialed racers and studs, his dam influence is superb...GEORGIA BROWN etc; for startrers.
probably a sire that does not get the recognition he richly deserves, but with dogs the calibre of the ones you mentioned, he will always stay under notice.
yes a very, very good import and definetely one of the best...certainly better than most.
daz
James Saunders Australia (Verified User) Posts 2424 Dogs 2 / Races 1 29 Nov 2010 03:18
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goes to show if you outcross its nice picking the right one,those that used this bloke and stayed true and bred on with grandaughters must be having some fun now.interesting he is another lauradella fun sire what a influence the bitch octum has had on our breed.
Daryl Annells Australia (Needs Verification) Posts 4706 Dogs 1 / Races 0 29 Nov 2010 03:50
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agree, and if you go further into his line,MONALEE CHAMPION would be the greatest irish influence on many of there own studs, plus the ones that were imported out here.
i remember when new in the game,the irish trainers of the 70's and 80's who ventured out here to australia (dave power, gordon hodson etc;)all pumped extremely hard for the presence of MONALEE CHAMPION.
and they were proven to be spot on as his influence in the breeding cycle was nothing short of a 'dream' sire....because he is pushed back further and further now, when delving into very successful irish bloodlines, guarentee that MC will be the influencing factor.
so yes BARNEYS had some tremendous blood behind him, and he thankfully passed it on to some of our best ever races and broods here in australia.
a good choice of a sire influence topic that may have escaped a lot of recognition.
daz
James Saunders Australia (Verified User) Posts 2424 Dogs 2 / Races 1 29 Nov 2010 03:56
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its seems years ago daryl that it was the irish sirelines that went well with oz damlines now i think the better mix will come from our sires and there great damlines,which of course more and more people are importing all the time.
Daryl Annells Australia (Needs Verification) Posts 4706 Dogs 1 / Races 0 29 Nov 2010 05:39
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it appears that way james. whilst a lot of our very well credentialed sires stationed over there or semen shipped across is 'aussie colonial'unfortunately those wee leprachaun fellas will still pinpoint some irish influence...well of course thats where it originates from.
but we have proven our present aussie stock is the equal of any in the world,and in fact maybe slightly ahead? debatable i suppose, but by golly our sires are very prominent over there.
enjoyed that little rendevous james and yes BARNEYS ALARM has had a tremendous influence here and shows his importance in our breeding history.
well picked.
daz
Sandro Bechini Australia (Verified User) Posts 19488 Dogs 15268 / Races 1856 29 Nov 2010 05:50
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You guys are also forgetting the effect of him as a sire of sires
The sire Shirdon's Alarm was only sparingly used but got some very nice performers amongst his progeny
Terry Hines Australia (Verified User) Posts 875 Dogs 105 / Races 11 29 Nov 2010 06:05
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james saunders wrote:
goes to show if you outcross its nice picking the right one,those that used this bloke and stayed true and bred on with grandaughters must be having some fun now.interesting he is another lauradella fun sire what a influence the bitch octum has had on our breed.
James, i agree Octum has had a massive influence....Waverly supreme would be the best out cross we have seen Imop...and Laurdella fun being W.S litter brother !!, so Barney's alarm had every chance to click with our lines and has done just that.
James Saunders Australia (Verified User) Posts 2424 Dogs 2 / Races 1 29 Nov 2010 07:33
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youre bloke was another fast one with him up close
Scott Taylor Australia (Verified User) Posts 1114 Dogs 300 / Races 161 29 Nov 2010 07:38
James Saunders Australia (Verified User) Posts 2424 Dogs 2 / Races 1 29 Nov 2010 07:42
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look how many after outcrossing with barney than came back to a colonial sire with new tears up close.
Steven Martin Australia (Verified User) Posts 7681 Dogs 180 / Races 66 29 Nov 2010 09:16
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james saunders wrote:
he must rate up there now with the best of the irish that have shaped our modern breed .
I'm sorry...I can't agree to this statement.
He maybe immediate in some of our modern day champs, but so are other imports like Grove Whisper, Balligari, Moral Standards, Met's Man, Curryhill Brute, Farloe Melody, even the USA sire Fortified Speed as made a stand.
Most of these dogs were ordinary as sires too with I or 2 making the average mark AT BEST....... When compared to our to our Elite performing sires during those above related times.
He maybe present, but he wouldn't even make Waverly Supreme's @$$h0le..................Stevo.
James Saunders Australia (Verified User) Posts 2424 Dogs 2 / Races 1 29 Nov 2010 10:11
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steve i said he was up there with the best a couple you mentioned have been brilliant as well,a couple you also mentioned were dog sh''t.moral standards an aussie breed shaper have you been smoking something .
Steven Martin Australia (Verified User) Posts 7681 Dogs 180 / Races 66 29 Nov 2010 11:33
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james saunders wrote:
steve i said he was up there with the best
No you didn't.You said he MUST BE. Like I said......I don't agree with you statement.
james saunders wrote:
moral standards an aussie breed shaper have you been smoking something .
I never said that James. You did. I just used him as an example along with the others I mentioned. You better read it again and then do a bit of study on Moral Standards. You might learn something.
Daryl Annells Australia (Needs Verification) Posts 4706 Dogs 1 / Races 0 29 Nov 2010 17:23
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james saunders wrote:
he must rate up there now with the best of the irish that have shaped our modern breed .
steve, i see where james is heading with his topic. he states...UP THERE WITH THE BEST OF THE IRISH SIRES
pretty accurate statement in my opinion. his influence in OUR breeding industry should not go unoticed, and i would agree he is definetely up there with there best.
WAVERELY SUPREME and others have earnt there reputation,but it was built over time, and BARNEYS ALARM is well and truly on his way....maybe not yet in the class yet of WS and a few others, but he is one you have to place in the category of substantial input into our breeding industry.
so i agree with james that yes he is definetely up there with there best.
daz
Steven Martin Australia (Verified User) Posts 7681 Dogs 180 / Races 66 29 Nov 2010 18:43
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DARYL ANNELLS wrote:
WAVERELY SUPREME and others have earnt there reputation,but it was built over time, daz
No that's where the difference is Daz. Waverly Supreme earnt his stripes with instant success through city winners, and lots of them. It wasn't built over time or after being given a 2nd chance as a sire of dams at position 1/16th in a handful of pedigrees of fast dogs. One only has to put there head in the stud-books to find out the real facts. If you haven't got them your only kidding yourself. The truth is out there for ALL to be known. I'll have to agree to disagree.
Daryl Annells Australia (Needs Verification) Posts 4706 Dogs 1 / Races 0 29 Nov 2010 19:33
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fair enough steve. stud books...geez there is an issue...i used to purchase them every year and they were great....for our time.
today we are spoilt with instant info, like this site, with easy access of breeding at our disposal.
what i find difficult(call it old age) is when i did study the stud books for breeding info, or health issues or whatever, i was forced to delve deeper which made me absorb info more....today you look at it on a screen, absorb what you want, then move onto maybe 20 a day....geez i struggle to hold it in....and during my absence from 1986 to 2007, shock horror, all the present day blessings of dams and studs are WHO IS THAT ? to me.
so yes i bow down at times to better, or younger knowledge as i have missed to many years of excellence, that unless you do put your head down and delve, you just may miss very important info.
but those stud books are very vital for past breeding knowledge and very valuable....i shall keep mine for many years and pass them on later in life.
come to think of it, do they still produce the hard copy books? or they on DVD nowadays?
daz
John Downer United Kingdom (Verified User) Posts 45 Dogs 2 / Races 0 29 Nov 2010 19:40
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Daryl, agree with a lot of what you say, but Gordon would be turning in his grave, he was a very proud Englishman, born in the heart of the midlands in England.....
James Saunders Australia (Verified User) Posts 2424 Dogs 2 / Races 1 29 Nov 2010 21:45
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