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Jeff Holland Australia (Verified User) Posts 4831 Dogs 145 / Races 12 01 Dec 2010 05:14
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Funny what some people see, but Light of Fire and his son Awesome Assassin are more likely to be the drivers of the fast pedigree's mentioned here.
Even Reggimite, long producing damline.
James Saunders Australia (Verified User) Posts 2424 Dogs 2 / Races 1 01 Dec 2010 05:34
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hate the imports jeff dont you,least youre consistent.i believe bringing the light of fire straight in after you outcross gives you that speed granted but theres more at play here .i thought these forums were for breeders to try and decipher the code jeff you dont help lol.
Scott Parkes Australia (Verified User) Posts 632 Dogs 79 / Races 75 01 Dec 2010 05:38
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Very difficult for people to come to terms with the premise that a 10th or 12th generation dog is making a difference when most people breed from one or two generations back at the most.
However if you believe the science, it does and if the genetic matching is correct those generations will make a difference.
My understanding of the science is that Barney's Alarm will only make a difference with the correct "other" ancestors.
James Saunders Australia (Verified User) Posts 2424 Dogs 2 / Races 1 01 Dec 2010 05:43
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10 or 12? he is sitting up the ass of three of the fastest 4 dogs in oz pedigrees and they all have that LOF influence as well why are people so resistant.
Terry Fitzgerald Australia (Verified User) Posts 1556 Dogs 3 / Races 1 01 Dec 2010 05:45
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Jeff knows more about dogs than you know about breathing.
And this is from a bloke that was a part owner of:
hate the imports jeff dont you,least youre consistent.i believe bringing the light of fire straight in after you outcross gives you that speed granted but theres more at play here .i thought these forums were for breeders to try and decipher the code jeff you dont help lol.
James Saunders Australia (Verified User) Posts 2424 Dogs 2 / Races 1 01 Dec 2010 05:48
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did she throw on tez or a grandaughter perhaps she was a nice bitch.
Jeff Holland Australia (Verified User) Posts 4831 Dogs 145 / Races 12 01 Dec 2010 05:55
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James, ignoring the bleeding obvious does nothing to decipher the 'code', whatever that is.
You have strong consistent damlines being upgraded or maintained, which sires do you think are in play the pedigree, the fast champion sires, or the disappointing sire?
James Saunders Australia (Verified User) Posts 2424 Dogs 2 / Races 1 01 Dec 2010 06:05
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el grand senors damline gets outcrossed with barney than bought back to a son of LOF .fancy mandy virtually the same pattern and they are the two fastest dogs of 2010.smooth fancy is slightly different but has the new tears up closer.random coincidence probably.
Michael Fitzgerald Australia (Verified User) Posts 713 Dogs 11 / Races 25 01 Dec 2010 06:09
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james saunders wrote:
did she throw on tez or a grandaughter perhaps she was a nice bitch.
James,
HH only had the one litter, to Trousers,and they were pretty ordinary.
The sister, however, can be found in the pedigree of these;
James Saunders Australia (Verified User) Posts 2424 Dogs 2 / Races 1 01 Dec 2010 06:13
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two more good dogs with similar pattern barney than son of LOF.gee mick youre a lot nicer than youre brother.
Michael Fitzgerald Australia (Verified User) Posts 713 Dogs 11 / Races 25 01 Dec 2010 07:30
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james saunders wrote:
gee mick youre a lot nicer than youre brother.
James,
First time anyone's ever said that about me.
I owned About Square with a good mate, and I think (in hindsight) that Barney went pretty well with Amerigo Man bitches; and the coupling of the "once dreaded" doubling of New Tears may have also helped in the subsequent matings.
James Saunders Australia (Verified User) Posts 2424 Dogs 2 / Races 1 01 Dec 2010 09:04
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see mick thats all im looking for a possible explanation for that successful click you just gave me another theory on it .
Steven Martin Australia (Verified User) Posts 7681 Dogs 180 / Races 66 01 Dec 2010 09:21
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Michael Fitzgerald wrote:
I think (in hindsight) that Barney went pretty well with Amerigo Man bitches;
Michael......Your perception and speculation about Amerigo Man dam's x Barney's Alarm are correct. He produced 6 city winning litters (from A.M) with 12 individual winners that won a total of 84 city races. Med - 8, Spk - 14, Wpk - 26, Apk - 36 and one Group winner. Amerigo Man was CLEARLY the best damsire for BA....Even if Reggemite was excluded from the list. Barneys Alarm produced 441 city winners in total (including Apk Monday) from 41 different sires. The next best producing damsire to be used with B.A. was "Ginger". This cross produced 9 city winning litters but only produced 14 individual city winners that produced 61 city wins. Med - 1, Spk - 5, Wpk - 13, Apk - 34, Bgc - 6, Bgc2 - 1. Once again.....The standout city track was Apk.....Stevo
James Saunders Australia (Verified User) Posts 2424 Dogs 2 / Races 1 01 Dec 2010 09:47
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excellent steve shines another light altogether on this subject.
Sandro Bechini Australia (Verified User) Posts 19488 Dogs 15268 / Races 1856 01 Dec 2010 09:56
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Dan McDonald wrote:
Hi James,
There may be some potential in the combination of Barney's Alarm and Moral Standards in a pedigree, since August Morning is the grand dam of both dogs. For instance, Give Me Five over a Primo Uno bitch would work.
May not be a BA/MS cross but Phlox had a double Moral Standards cross
CLICK HERE Maybe the influence extends beyond August Morning and goes back to her dam Kind of Luxury who is also the dam of Irish Derby winner Dipmac
CLICK HERE That's 2 Derby winners from the damline
Kerri Dalziel Australia (Verified User) Posts 1095 Dogs 4498 / Races 10698 01 Dec 2010 10:11
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The double of Amerigo Man in Pure Octane was one of the reasons why I selected him for my bitch (Barney's Alarm was her damsire).
I dont know if its a coincidence but I have been looking into Barneys Alarm lately and have started to notice how many very good dogs he is in the dam line of, Just a few I have noticed over the last few days are -
Mark Staines Australia (Verified User) Posts 4497 Dogs 70 / Races 14 01 Apr 2018 14:42
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Ian rose wrote:
Lively band was hated over here almost as much as Grove whisper. He did get the odd winner which he will be remmembered for,but rest assured the majority here were happy when he left.
Ian you have got to be joking, Grove Whisper was a prolific sire of winners over all distances and his bitches bred on. Lively Bands best was Tegimi a machine who was one of the hardest chasers i've ever seen.
Mark Staines Australia (Verified User) Posts 4497 Dogs 70 / Races 14 01 Apr 2018 14:58
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michael murphy wrote:
Surprisingly Barneys Alarm was successful from his early crops but there is no way that any other Irish stud was remotely as successful as Waverly Supreme although Which Chariot appears to have been very good. Lively Band had he remained in Oz looked very good too.
MugsIMHO.
Spot on Mick, Waverly Supreme was a revelation here in Oz and Which Chariot was very good indeed.
Mark Staines Australia (Verified User) Posts 4497 Dogs 70 / Races 14 01 Apr 2018 15:15
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CLICK HERE Barney appears in the dam line of this bitch, wouldn't we all like to own her.
Do you have questions about breeding theories? 
