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Gary Carroll Ireland (Verified User) Posts 707 Dogs 0 / Races 0 10 Jun 2012 11:58
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my puppy has one and although my vet has told me that he will be ok with treatment ,i was wondering was there any examples of top racers that got this type of injury durning thier rearing. He is 13 months old .It is an old injury that pups get while been reared.any information on this injury would be great as i can store it on file. regards Gary ps. i have been told that 4 weeks off treated with bone radial .swimming and walking are in his routine
Gary Carroll Ireland (Verified User) Posts 707 Dogs 0 / Races 0 11 Jun 2012 14:12
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Gary Carroll Ireland (Verified User) Posts 707 Dogs 0 / Races 0 12 Jun 2012 17:42
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surley someone has came across this type of injury before ?
Mark Conway Ireland (Verified User) Posts 293 Dogs 5 / Races 0 12 Jun 2012 18:26
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gary all you can do is follow the vets instructions, i would give him plenty of time as he is very young, i have a dog at present with a similar type injury and i have given him a month off and am going to give him another month as he will not be two years of age until november and he is a big dog and i feel that the extra time off can only help him, hope your dog turns out well for you. i was thinking about taking him swimming soon also.
Mark Glennerster United Kingdom (Verified User) Posts 3208 Dogs 0 / Races 0 12 Jun 2012 18:38
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How long ago was the original injury??
Gary Carroll Ireland (Verified User) Posts 707 Dogs 0 / Races 0 12 Jun 2012 18:55
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I dont know Mark. the vet said it was an old injury.he had to get it on the rering farm.I was surprised that the guy who reared him didn;t notice it as he knows the time of day.he is a quick pup but looks a little clumsey when galloping.thats why we brought him to the vet .any info would be great Gary
mark glennerster wrote:
How long ago was the original injury??
Eva Abedi Ireland (Verified User) Posts 284 Dogs 119 / Races 13 12 Jun 2012 19:16
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when it happens to a pup you can see it straight away as the pup is limping. I have one here, saw him limping, brought him to Brian Jones, next day he got pinned, 10 days later he walked perfect and now he can play again with his comrades and will def race later on when his time has come. Thanks Brian !!!
Gary Carroll Ireland (Verified User) Posts 707 Dogs 0 / Races 0 12 Jun 2012 19:47
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Brian is also my vet.Top man and vet. I know the dog will race ,but will his ability be limited?
eva abedi wrote:
when it happens to a pup you can see it straight away as the pup is limping. I have one here, saw him limping, brought him to Brian Jones, next day he got pinned, 10 days later he walked perfect and now he can play again with his comrades and will def race later on when his time has come. Thanks Brian !!!
Carole Brown Australia (Verified User) Posts 32355 Dogs 185 / Races 2 12 Jun 2012 20:16
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Gary, if it is an old injury, there is probably not much you can do, as the bone will have healed. It all depends on the extent of the injury in the first place.
Gary Carroll Ireland (Verified User) Posts 707 Dogs 0 / Races 0 12 Jun 2012 20:32
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thanks carole vet said levil 1 -2 fracture.?
Carole Brown wrote:
Gary, if it is an old injury, there is probably not much you can do, as the bone will have healed. It all depends on the extent of the injury in the first place.
Carole Brown Australia (Verified User) Posts 32355 Dogs 185 / Races 2 12 Jun 2012 20:36
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It all depends on how the bones have healed, Gary. Some fractures have more displacement than others when the bone is originally broken. Did the vet do an X-ray ?
Gary Carroll Ireland (Verified User) Posts 707 Dogs 0 / Races 0 12 Jun 2012 20:50
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no x ray Carole. he felt the problem.dog didn,t cry or look unconfortable. i explained that his action was all wrong. the vet asked me did the dog look run like a lady walking in high heels for the first time.he hit the nail on the hesd .ha hah hah
Mark Glennerster United Kingdom (Verified User) Posts 3208 Dogs 0 / Races 0 13 Jun 2012 07:37
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Gary,
Like Carole said without an X-ray its very differcult for anyone to give a prognosis on this type of injury even an experienced vet like Brian Jones is only giving you an opinion, the dog may race okay but its ability will be limited by the extent of the old injury, we had a pup with the same injury that was never treated when he first did it, he raced okay and won a few races but we knew he was not as good as he could have been if the problem had been attended too at the time of the injury, the breeder missed it to be honest, too many dogs to look at.
Donna Sadler Australia (Verified User) Posts 1730 Dogs 59 / Races 6 13 Jun 2012 08:03
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Carole Brown wrote:
It all depends on how the bones have healed, Gary. Some fractures have more displacement than others when the bone is originally broken. Did the vet do an X-ray ?
Carol is right, will already be healed so there is not much that can be done. I have had three over the years - one was wired, one pinned and wired and one left. The wired one ended up winning races, the other two struggled to stay sound when put under pressure. BUT no fracture is the same. How did you notice the injury in the first place? If there is no pain or restriction of movement, he might be fine. Good luck!
Gary Carroll Ireland (Verified User) Posts 707 Dogs 0 / Races 0 13 Jun 2012 13:54
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sorry for the delay donna, went to bed. I noticed his action was wrong while i was galloping him. Gary
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Carole Brown wrote:
It all depends on how the bones have healed, Gary. Some fractures have more displacement than others when the bone is originally broken. Did the vet do an X-ray ?
Carol is right, will already be healed so there is not much that can be done. I have had three over the years - one was wired, one pinned and wired and one left. The wired one ended up winning races, the other two struggled to stay sound when put under pressure. BUT no fracture is the same. How did you notice the injury in the first place? If there is no pain or restriction of movement, he might be fine. Good luck!
Anybody ever had a youngster with double sided Tabia crest fracture ? Pup is a Dec 16 pup and new owner do not know when the injury happened.
. X-rays been done (showing the grow plate is not prober fused on both sides) and owner are awaiting the vets consult with a specialist.
Larry Valenti Australia (Verified User) Posts 2142 Dogs 3 / Races 0 21 Sep 2017 08:45
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Kennel the dog for 6 weeks with strapping in place . Its a tricky injury in most cases . Patients and TLC .
Carole Brown Australia (Verified User) Posts 32355 Dogs 185 / Races 2 21 Sep 2017 09:03
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Karin, seeing as the pup isn't a year old yet, the growth plates will not have completely fused yet. On an X-ray, you will see a gap until they do. This can be confusing sometimes, as it can look like the bone is abnormal. Is the pup showing any abnormality ?
Tudor Dinu Andrei Romania (Verified User) Posts 62 Dogs 0 / Races 0 21 Sep 2017 15:40
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Carole Brown wrote:
Karin, seeing as the pup isn't a year old yet, the growth plates will not have completely fused yet. On an X-ray, you will see a gap until they do. This can be confusing sometimes, as it can look like the bone is abnormal. Is the pup showing any abnormality ?
Carol you are wrong, tibial crest can not be mistaken with the growth (epiphyseal) plate by a proper trained vet. They are 2 different anatomical entities! Also this type of injurie is an avulsion not a "proper" fracture therefore the limping, lameness is not very obvious. So with the free range type of rearing, when there is lack of proper observation of pups the rearer see just some limping that dissapear in couple of weeks. This type of injurie, tibial crest avulsion is very common at pups reared free in big padocs, also signs and simptoms are discrete, I have seen so many cases I could even post some images of Rx taken but I don't know how to do it here. The proper treatment would be surgery, not very difficult and fast to perform it. Pups that are not getting surgery for this type of injurie get healed but his racing potential is severly cut back because the healing is not proper and it changes the kinematics/kinetics and biodynamics of the knee joint. So i would take the pup to a good vet surgeon, fix it by surgery and get the fingers crossed ;)
Carol Just seen the x ray and both growth zones are completly riped open The dog is not able to run and skips with both hindlegs If you are on FB I could send them to you
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