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Ryan Vanderwert Australia (Verified User) Posts 5957 Dogs 8 / Races 0 28 Jan 2018 02:10
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well done with breeding Gelantipy Gold Steven. I had him running G1 mid race sections 4 times in seven runs at Albion over 600m, which indicates he's a genuine top city grade dog.
also happened to come across this blokes litter CLICK HERE
Steven Martin Australia (Verified User) Posts 7681 Dogs 180 / Races 66 28 Jan 2018 04:15
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Thanks Ryan. He's a very hard chaser who never knows when to give up.
I reared him & 2 others at my place until 5 months old, & then all 3 went to a mates place where he did the rest. Incidentally, those 3 all turned out the best from that litter, which backs up my theory about good rearing puts the slicing on the cake.
Gelantipy Gold was the ugly duckling from the litter. Not in looks but in make-up. You couldn't put weight on him as he was always flat-chat. Just all leg & bone. He even got a bone-marrow complaint in his front leg at around 8 months that needed X-raying & antibiotic treatment that cured something we thought was hopeless. It was money & time, well worth spent.
His litter sister who was heading south for a crack at the Shepparton Cup mid last year, come on the season the week she was to leave. Unfortunately after a full season & 4 months into her comeback, she dropped a muscle one week out from racing so I decided to retire her.
Her 2nd litter will be to Kiowa Producer, keeping to the theme of this thread ---> CLICK HERE
El Fooling is inbred 2 x 3 Milldean Panther is inbred 2 x 3 Kiowa Producer is inbred 2 x 3 All 3 carry Lemon Soda in "X" from 3 different litter brothers. And all 3 "Top sirelines" originate from "Brother Fox".
Edward (Ted) Howard Australia (Verified User) Posts 1195 Dogs 16 / Races 0 28 Jan 2018 05:14
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Lemon Soda in xx with Winklee Weeper due to whelp on 13th of Feb to Magic Sprite what do you think Ryan.
Ryan Vanderwert Australia (Verified User) Posts 5957 Dogs 8 / Races 0 28 Jan 2018 08:35
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Looks super thru the Fox/Brute brothers Ted CLICK HERE , a little concern with the age of the bitch but nowadays with these lures the racing is a little easier so that hopefully may not be an issue.
Saturation looks ok at 81% thru Miss Dusty Lee and Pitstock Park too from a Cosmic Rumble perspective, I prefer high 80's, mid-low 90%, but 81% is certainly getting up there & with that primary linebreeding intensity in x to Lemon Soda you've given yourself and more importantly her a real chance of producing some that make the grade. g/l with them.
.... El Fooling is inbred 2 x 3 Milldean Panther is inbred 2 x 3 Kiowa Producer is inbred 2 x 3 All 3 carry Lemon Soda in "X" from 3 different litter brothers. And all 3 "Top sirelines" originate from "Brother Fox".
Wow Steven, that's really creating intensity within that pedigree and with arguably the most desired dog for a sireline in Aus. Well bred again especially with reinforcing that Lemon Soda theme.
Sorry Steven, just realised you'd already plucked Fantastic Spiral on page 5.
Ryan Vanderwert Australia (Verified User) Posts 5957 Dogs 8 / Races 0 28 Sep 2022 01:53
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I know the breeder of this dog https:/ CLICK HERE who has as good a background knowledge of damlines and where they originated from as I've ever seen.
Train to Nowhere's litter is primarily and intensely linebred in the x path to Lemon Soda and TTN himself has won 7 of his first 9 starts.
Sure TTN's pedigree has other qualities such as his sires dam Roxio Bale is very closely related to 2005 WA GOTY Foolish Girl's sire No Intent https:/ CLICK HERE at a very high 88% thru different individuals Head Honcho, New Tears & Chariot Supreme, therefore reintroducing No Intent at a v/high percentage back into the same damline Foolish Girl was from.
In addition, there is that xy angle to 8x TR holder Awesome Assassin giving the brood Slingshot Jayla a chance of throwing a decent male and most importantly it also indicates that primary linebreeding in x to Lemon Soda is still alive and well all those yrs later.
Michael Fitzgerald Australia (Verified User) Posts 713 Dogs 11 / Races 25 30 Sep 2022 08:29
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Ryan.
I'm keen to learn.
Where's the "intensely line bred" Lemon Soda thing happening here?
She was 1977 whelping, and threw a couple of studs who never made a huge mark in Australia. I seriously hope you don't consider Curryhills Brute in Australia a triumph.
Even if you do, that was 40 years ago and, as Paul Wheeler was happy to say, only the last 5 generations (at the most) have any effect on instilling a profound effect on the DNA to improve our breed.
Lemon Soda has very little (if any) influence on the the short course dog "Train to Nowhere".
He is a 300 metre flyer around non-city tracks, but I'm completely buggered to know why you've brought him as a prime example of your continuing espousing of Lemon Soda.
The rest of Train to Nowhere litter mates are pretty much legless.
Wayne Garner Australia (Verified User) Posts 743 Dogs 26 / Races 16 30 Sep 2022 08:45
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Michael Fitzgerald wrote:
Ryan.
I'm keen to learn.
Where's the "intensely line bred" Lemon Soda thing happening here?
She was 1977 whelping, and threw a couple of studs who never made a huge mark in Australia. I seriously hope you don't consider Curryhills Brute in Australia a triumph.
Even if you do, that was 40 years ago and, as Paul Wheeler was happy to say, only the last 5 generations (at the most) have any effect on instilling a profound effect on the DNA to improve our breed.
Lemon Soda has very little (if any) influence on the the short course dog "Train to Nowhere".
He is a 300 metre flyer around non-city tracks, but I'm completely buggered to know why you've brought him as a prime example of your continuing espousing of Lemon Soda.
The rest of Train to Nowhere litter mates are pretty much legless.
Michael I can't believe you have not caught onto to it If ya take the x-,y n z n add a B-u-l-l-s-h-i-t to it all then ya get the picture of what Ryan is trying to say They all can explain how the xy n z produced the fast ones but forget to mention why there is more slows in a litter
Paul Dicks Australia (Verified User) Posts 10281 Dogs 120 / Races 252 30 Sep 2022 09:43
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Haha Wayne calling it for exactly what it is. Complete BS
Ryan Vanderwert Australia (Verified User) Posts 5957 Dogs 8 / Races 0 30 Sep 2022 10:05
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Michael Fitzgerald wrote:
Ryan.
I'm keen to learn.
Where's the "intensely line bred" Lemon Soda thing happening here?
She was 1977 whelping, and threw a couple of studs who never made a huge mark in Australia. I seriously hope you don't consider Curryhills Brute in Australia a triumph.
Even if you do, that was 40 years ago and, as Paul Wheeler was happy to say, only the last 5 generations (at the most) have any effect on instilling a profound effect on the DNA to improve our breed.
Lemon Soda has very little (if any) influence on the the short course dog "Train to Nowhere".
He is a 300 metre flyer around non-city tracks, but I'm completely buggered to know why you've brought him as a prime example of your continuing espousing of Lemon Soda.
The rest of Train to Nowhere litter mates are pretty much legless.
Intensely linebred - top and bottom thru Curryhill Brute/Fox in the x path to the same brood Lemon Soda( to Bold Work). You blokes like to do stats winning %'s etc on track performance, I used to do it for litters bred in the x path. I've always thought those stats far more important from a pedigree perspective.
When I first looked at linebreeding in x to Lemon Soda top and bottom 10 yrs ago, it was giving up a city winner per litter 55% of the time when that intensity was new in Aus.
I was pretty impressed by that so suggested to incorporate that Lemon Soda intensity in x with Slingshot Jayla's ped by using Dyna Villa. Jim and Gordon obliged and ended up with TTN. I actually bought a bitch myself. I'm hoping she'll win a couple.
Pretty sure the reason you may think TTN's a 300m flyer was as a result of the main part of his pre training being done in races to give him a solid base. At the time he was ready to go there was a lot of rain around and they found it very difficult to get trials. The dog has been good enuf to win 7 of his first 9 starts, the last win being by almost 7 lens over 450m. So it may well be a mistake to rate TTN a 300m flyer, time will tell.
As for the rest of the litter being legless is a little harsh as Slingshot Snoop has won at a Sunday Sandown meet granted in slow time and looks like he may get 600m.
With a vast majority of litters, you only get one or two in a litter that can gallop that's the harsh reality of greyhound racing I wld of thought. I don't know for the life of me how some think you can always breed a litter of champions. That's a one in a lifetime thing from my experience of over 40yrs in greyhound racing. Cheers.
Paul Dicks Australia (Verified User) Posts 10281 Dogs 120 / Races 252 01 Oct 2022 03:00
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This thread was complete BS a decade ago and it hasn't aged well.
Ryan Vanderwert Australia (Verified User) Posts 5957 Dogs 8 / Races 0 08 Oct 2022 12:57
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I've been through only the first 6 of 23 pages of Spiral Nikita's 2nd top female off spring and these dogs litters were linebred in x to Lemon Soda through their sire and dam.
I've listed their sires and dams so people can see which dogs carry Lemon Soda in x if they're wishing to incorporate them into their pedigrees top AND bottom.
Remember the initial stats showed linebreeding Lemon Soda in x thru the sire and dam with litter brothers Curryhills Brute/Fox top and bottom of a ped, resulted in a 55% chance of a city winning pup.
Lamia Bale (High Earner X Maple Bale) https:/ CLICK HERE All Strung Out (Bekim Bale X Casey's Angel) https:/ CLICK HERE Magic Earner (High Earner X Magic Capers) https:/ CLICK HERE Manzu (Vanderworp X Legit Boss) https:/ CLICK HERE Dyna Oats (Ashom Bale x Maple Bale) https:/ CLICK HERE Fantastic Spiral(Spiral Nikita x Light Fantastic) https:/ CLICK HERE Full On Bling (Bekim Bale x Miss Bling) https:/ CLICK HERE Cut Loose Max (El Galo x Girl Aloud) https:/ CLICK HERE
There are likely to be a lot more and from just over a handful of sires that carry Lemon Soda in the x path. Lemon Soda is likely a possible cornerstone brood of the future when linebred in x in this manner. G/l if you choose to incorporate this type of linebreeding in future peds. Cheers.
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