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Geoff Collins Australia (Verified User) Posts 2010 Dogs 291 / Races 30 05 Dec 2015 22:53
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Pretty rapt in a recent litter we bred by Barcia Bale out of American bitch Chasin The Dream. For depth and sheer ability it is one of the best I have ever been associated with
The litter is just over 2 years old and has a win ratio of 47.8% and a place ratio of 67.2% with a combined total of 67 starts for 32 wins and 13 placings and thats including EVERY member of the litter .. all eight pups
The litter includes Cutting Edge 9 starts for 8 wins .. Hurry Slowly 3 starts for 2 wins .. Lorimer Lad 3 from 3 .. Kasreyn 2 from 2 .. Catch Fire 4 starts for 3 wins Dublin Bull 22 starts for 9 wins
Cutting Edge won the Geelong VBIS final and was a finalist in the Gr 2 Great Chase, Lorimer Lad won the Ballarat VBIS final last Wednesday and Dublin Bull was a finalist in the Gr 3 Sydney Cup
Catch Fire and Kasreyn are having their first looks at Sandown today, lining up in the heats of the Laurels and Dublin Bull is in over the 595m
Cutting Edge is just about the fastest dog weve ever had and I am interested to see just how far this litter goes ... all going well there could be some headliners amongst them in 2016
Mick Whyte Australia (Verified User) Posts 1109 Dogs 23 / Races 3 06 Dec 2015 00:43
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Geoff Collins wrote:
Pretty rapt in a recent litter we bred by Barcia Bale out of American bitch Chasin The Dream. For depth and sheer ability it is one of the best I have ever been associated with
The litter is just over 2 years old and has a win ratio of 47.8% and a place ratio of 67.2% with a combined total of 67 starts for 32 wins and 13 placings and thats including EVERY member of the litter .. all eight pups
The litter includes Cutting Edge 9 starts for 8 wins .. Hurry Slowly 3 starts for 2 wins .. Lorimer Lad 3 from 3 .. Kasreyn 2 from 2 .. Catch Fire 4 starts for 3 wins Dublin Bull 22 starts for 9 wins
Cutting Edge won the Geelong VBIS final and was a finalist in the Gr 2 Great Chase, Lorimer Lad won the Ballarat VBIS final last Wednesday and Dublin Bull was a finalist in the Gr 3 Sydney Cup
Catch Fire and Kasreyn are having their first looks at Sandown today, lining up in the heats of the Laurels and Dublin Bull is in over the 595m
Cutting Edge is just about the fastest dog weve ever had and I am interested to see just how far this litter goes ... all going well there could be some headliners amongst them in 2016
Very nice litter Geoff, I have been following them as we have a bitch out of LC that we will breed from when she finishes racing. Do you have any theories on why Barcia Bale has worked so well with her ?
Geoff Collins Australia (Verified User) Posts 2010 Dogs 291 / Races 30 06 Dec 2015 02:40
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Mick .. hard to say ... the first litter by Bartrim could run okay but had no luck .. one we had out got acidosis early on and our favourite bitch broke her leg during rearing and never raced .. we kept her for breeding and she's now in pup to Bella Infrared
No doubt the Barcia litter is better ... they are more outgoing than the Bartrims and not as nervy ... I like Barcia as a sire .. and I also think he may work well with bitches that have an outcross in their pedigree .. eg: Dyna Double One, Dyna Maddie and this litter
I don't know your bitch's damline but L/Cry is an outstanding brood bitch sire .. CLICK HERE
Mick Whyte Australia (Verified User) Posts 1109 Dogs 23 / Races 3 06 Dec 2015 03:22
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Geoff Collins wrote:
Mick .. hard to say ... the first litter by Bartrim could run okay but had no luck .. one we had out got acidosis early on and our favourite bitch broke her leg during rearing and never raced .. we kept her for breeding and she's now in pup to Bella Infrared
No doubt the Barcia litter is better ... they are more outgoing than the Bartrims and not as nervy ... I like Barcia as a sire .. and I also think he may work well with bitches that have an outcross in their pedigree .. eg: Dyna Double One, Dyna Maddie and this litter
I don't know your bitch's damline but L/Cry is an outstanding brood bitch sire .. CLICK HERE
Geoff, This is our bitch's testmating with Barcia Bale, if you wouldn't mind giving your thoughts
Ryan Vanderwert Australia (Verified User) Posts 5958 Dogs 8 / Races 0 08 Dec 2015 07:14
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mick whyte wrote:
.......... Do you have any theories on why Barcia Bale has worked so well with her ?
Mick,I had a look at Geoff's litter & the linebreeding intensity in x goes back to Quare Fire just like the litters many of these household names in Irish racing belong to:
Phantom Flash: (6x7) Quare Fire Westmead Flight: (6x7) Quare Fire Hillcroft Josie: (8x9x9) Quare Fire Jim Joes Up: (8x10x10)Quare Fire Teds Jo: (8x10x9) Quare Fire Mountleader Peer: (8x8) Quare Fire Linda's Champion: (5x5) Quare Fire Westmead Hawk: (8x10x11)Quare Fire
Quare Fire through littermates Yoblstrap,The Grand Duchess & The Grand Fire
From the very limited work I've done looking at Irish pedigrees, Quare Fire looks very much like cornerstone brood material on that side of the world.
That may explain something to some.
To get the best out of an outcross mating imo it's extremely important to have linebreeding in x within 12 generations to preferably a cornerstone brood.
Craig Andrews Australia (Verified User) Posts 2014 Dogs 15 / Races 2 08 Dec 2015 07:20
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Geoff, what made you buy the mother of Cutting Edge? I see she was unraced so I assume she broke in very fast but broke down?
Anthony Jeffress Australia (Verified User) Posts 3669 Dogs 54 / Races 10 10 Dec 2015 00:37
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THAIDAY NIGHT wins yesterday at Albion Park, doing it tough in sitting outside the leader throughout... Well done to Trainer Brett Hazelgrove & my co-Owner Emma 'The Catcher' Warner.
"TJ" has now had 5 races since escaping RQ's clutches, resulting in 2 wins & 3 x 2nd placings.
Carole Brown Australia (Verified User) Posts 32355 Dogs 185 / Races 2 10 Dec 2015 11:26
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Dance Craze went on his merry way, winning again at Sandown Park tonight in a mixed 3/4 grade.
Mark Mihailovic Australia (Verified User) Posts 698 Dogs 1 / Races 0 10 Dec 2015 18:13
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CLICK HERE Well done to Stuart and Marty winning last night at Angle Park at her first start at 600m, good on ya guys!! Also congrats to the new owners in Perth of Smart Business winning earlier in the week at Northam bringing up his second win over there from 4strts
Mick Whyte Australia (Verified User) Posts 1109 Dogs 23 / Races 3 11 Dec 2015 10:00
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Ryan Vanderwert wrote:
mick whyte wrote:
.......... Do you have any theories on why Barcia Bale has worked so well with her ?
Mick,I had a look at Geoff's litter & the linebreeding intensity in x goes back to Quare Fire just like the litters many of these household names in Irish racing belong to:
Phantom Flash: (6x7) Quare Fire Westmead Flight: (6x7) Quare Fire Hillcroft Josie: (8x9x9) Quare Fire Jim Joes Up: (8x10x10)Quare Fire Teds Jo: (8x10x9) Quare Fire Mountleader Peer: (8x8) Quare Fire Linda's Champion: (5x5) Quare Fire Westmead Hawk: (8x10x11)Quare Fire
Quare Fire through littermates Yoblstrap,The Grand Duchess & The Grand Fire
From the very limited work I've done looking at Irish pedigrees, Quare Fire looks very much like cornerstone brood material on that side of the world.
That may explain something to some.
To get the best out of an outcross mating imo it's extremely important to have linebreeding in x within 12 generations to preferably a cornerstone brood.
Thanks Ryan for taking the time to anaylise the pedigree. Their is certainly some great dogs behind Quare Fire in X.
Thanks Mick.
David Jobson United Kingdom (Verified User) Posts 1003 Dogs 5 / Races 2 11 Dec 2015 22:47
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david jobson wrote:
Having not bred for quite a few years i bought a Superbly Bred Bitch a couple of years ago mainly with the intention of breeding,she turned into a very nice racer also running up to 131 Data rating.Well i did breed her and a bitch i kept out of the litter won her first race tonite,Downtown Amy and the buzz was there for all to see,screamed her home so after nearly 50 years in dogs nothing compares.Dave
Peter Stanford Australia (Verified User) Posts 126 Dogs 4 / Races 0 12 Dec 2015 03:22
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Mumza Pearl B.O.N at Bulli last night by Mogambo x Pearl Napoleon. Pearl Napoleon is presently at Colyton vets waiting a date with Fernando Bale. Hope all goes well.
Anthony Jeffress Australia (Verified User) Posts 3669 Dogs 54 / Races 10 14 Dec 2015 03:26
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Incredibly proud of our little girl 'Crystal' (SHAKE YOUR BOOTY: Collision x Kaycee Diva); not only for recording her 16th career win - also in Best of Meeting time of 24.23 last night - but in the process securing the 2015 Cairns Greyhound of the Year title.
She now has an unasailable lead with only 1 race meeting to go for the year.
Apart from her midweek defeat when making the long trip down to Townsville, Crystal has actually won 5 races in a row at the Cairns track. Not bad for a racebitch that's 4 1/2 years old in around 3 weeks time!
A big thanks to all who helped in this journey; starting with the Sharpe family for allowing us to breed from 'Kaydee' (Kaycee Diva); also to Deb & Stephen Arnold & the family for whelping and rearing her; then to Andrew & Kelly Suli in Rocky; followed by Emma Bryant and most recently John Thurlow for Training her up in the far North.
Very proud 'Uncle Anthony' today :-)
Jenni Abdi Australia (Verified User) Posts 512 Dogs 25 / Races 244 16 Dec 2015 05:38
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A heart stopper win by Pacific Harbour just now at Albion Park.
Hearty Congratulations to Brian Francis and connections.
Adam Ferguson Australia (Verified User) Posts 41 Dogs 0 / Races 0 16 Dec 2015 06:37
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Congrats to the SAM racing boys just saluted at Albion park with refund required (elite state x stubborn babe) at his 2nd start - unlucky in lismore last nite too lads congratulations boys and Shane klienhans in a good training performance 1st and 3rd with litter mates!
Mark Ryan Australia (Verified User) Posts 46 Dogs 9 / Races 0 16 Dec 2015 07:39
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Nice run mate
Adam ferguson wrote:
Congrats to the SAM racing boys just saluted at Albion park with refund required (elite state x stubborn babe) at his 2nd start - unlucky in lismore last nite too lads congratulations boys and Shane klienhans in a good training performance 1st and 3rd with litter mates!
Anthony Jeffress Australia (Verified User) Posts 3669 Dogs 54 / Races 10 16 Dec 2015 07:51
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Well done lads.
I saw Chief's win Phillip. Great chasing and railing display, especially from the Pink and over the less suitable 395m trip.
Doug Taylor Australia (Verified User) Posts 1896 Dogs 22 / Races 1 16 Dec 2015 09:33
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Great to see Fab Harriet win for a great bunch of blokes in Victoria. She's finally putting it together it would appear.
Geoff Collins Australia (Verified User) Posts 2010 Dogs 291 / Races 30 16 Dec 2015 20:20
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Craig Andrews wrote:
Geoff, what made you buy the mother of Cutting Edge? I see she was unraced so I assume she broke in very fast but broke down?
Sorry Mick and Craig that I havent got back to you before this but I wasnt sure if I would be hijacking this topic by responding .. ???.. anyway I dont claim to be an expert and Im not suggesting that I know any more than Ryan or anyone else but I dont look at a pedigree like that ... I keep things much more simplified.
I dont mind looking back into the 6th or 7th generation but only out of interest .. and those generations dont come into my equations when trying to breed a good race dog. I do take a special interest in the direct damline or bottom line but there are 64 dogs in the 6th generation and 128 in the 7th generation of a pedigree so to me thats fairly diluted.
Quare Fire would be doubled up on the 6th and 7th line in thousands of dogs so while its nice to have her there, I would suggest that the more current members of this pedigree ie: Dreamy Blossom .. would have far more influence here than her .. but anyway each to their own
CHASIN THE DREAM - she could run but broke a toe and never raced her dam Dreamy Blossom was an absolute superstar on the track and an All-American her damline (Representation-Lear Jet-Tish The Dish) has produced more All Americans than any other US damline .. and CTD is by Lonesome Cry who is developing into one of the worlds best broodbitch sires
BARCIA BALE as a race dog he was rated very highly by the Wheeler camp not just the Wheeler family but even the workers rated him as something special .. every time I ran into them around the traps all they would talk about is Barcia. He offered the Head Honcho sire line which worked with imports in Ireland and his dam is a grand-daughter of Brett Lee via Hallucinate and a litter sister to Bartrim Bale.
So pretty simple really .. a well-bred imported bitch from a great damline by a top brood bitch sire mated to a well-bred fast Australian sire
Sean O'Donnell Australia (Verified User) Posts 4262 Dogs 64 / Races 54 16 Dec 2015 21:56
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Witch on wheels produced her first winner in flaming Sahara winning on debut at Mandurah in 23.31.
No mean feat considering the issues the litter encountered as pups.
Do you have questions about breeding theories? 
