danny harrington wrote:

Flashy Sir', disadvantaged, based in n.e. England, was one of the most influential sires of his time @64 lbs plus. (not recorded in Greyhound data) 'Skelligs Tiger', not very big, both had returns, disproportionate, to opportunity, but 'Flashy Sir', was a penality kick', every time.

Ungwilla Lad (29.5kg) - Benjamin John (28kg) - Take A Bow (29.5kg) - Dashers Bow (27kg)

Ungwilla Lad (29.5kg) x Odious (24.5kg) = General Jeff (??)

Prairie Flash (29.5kg) x Cranog Bet (24.5kg) = Itsamint (??)

Monalee Champion (30kg) x Cranog Bet (24.5kg) = Itsachampion (32.5kg)

Not unless you dont mind turning the largest of the 3 breeds into whippets

In 10 years youll see the ramifications, nothing short of embarrassing and detrimental to the 33-40 kg male greyhound breed

Size means absolutely nothing . ............couldnt be further from the truth

Good luck with the sugar shot approach

Ps I couldnt care one bit for every fast timed recorded you list , theres 100 fold that are at the other end of the scale and worthless

No one said that

Its a generalisation on average size of the breed

Like I stated in first post , list all the super greats that go againsts the normal or could be categorised as a freak I simply dont care or have tunnel vision or flock like a sheep

Another angle to look at it from

in the last 20 years of breeding you name Fernando and Brett Lee
So in (rough counting on pups per year ) 140 000 pups, is this the example of ideal

Hardly not Paul

If you want to keep down sizing in general and think 22kg bitches are great broods apposed to 29kg bitches and 27-29kg dogs are equally advantageous for your future damline or for the industry as a whole compared to 33-36kg sires ....... each to their own

2030 we might have to introduce another short course box ? Maybe 180 mtr starts

You have completely glossed over that example of mine starting at 1952 to the mention of Brett Lee (1999) and Fernando Bale (2013).

1973 Ungwilla Lad (29.5kg) - 1966 Benjamin John (28kg) - 1960 Take A Bow (29.5kg) - 1952 Dashers Bow (27kg)

Now we have the magical 29 sec mark broken at Sandown. The breed is surviving just fine and breeders have clearly been doing the same thing since the dawn of time!

Larger dogs are more prevalent on larger tracks, more frequently they were full on sprinters who struggled over 700m

Hence in Victoria where horseshoe tracks dominate the landscape we see fields dominated by 33kg+ dogs who can just run out 400m

Coursing Dogs in Ireland are over 40kg and when that blood they very rarely produced distance dogs. they injected speed and durability that became more prevalent in generations over time e.g. Tivoli Dreamer

Smaller dogs were more adaptable to tighter tracks and those tracks favoured speedy bitches

Ungwilla Lad at 29.5kg was a bit of an enigma as he was a wide runner and excelled at Harold Park where he used to finish hard down the middle of the track over 457m

However, the greatest stayers of our days gone by were 23-26kg bitches and many of them now still are

The reason why the races are getting shorter is partly because people are not using stamina lines in their breeding programmes & partly because the racing powers that are bowing to the pressure being put on them to put on shorter races so they can fill TAB betting contracts

Really ????

Its not what the top ten greyhounds of all time money earners says

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Theres only one odd one out ..... Ill let u figure it out

All bitches 28kg + and dogs 32kg+ ..... stayers /sprinters of all time !

But you are all correct in bringing out the unusual example or 1 in 10,000 Pups

Meanwhile 9 of 10 on my table clearly show otherwise , thats 90% and thats without harada being there , he also is what ??? Thats right 35kg

Keep dribbling your dream time one outs past heroes and then in the same breathe scratch your head and complain about short races and whats happened to our breed whilst watching blokes walk out with 27kg male dogs

Top breeding !?!?!?

I suppose your advice to Paul Wheeler would have been same to rehome his small Fernando Bale running around the puppy paddock and even upon retirement advised not to put Fernando Bale to stud? For detriment to the breed?

Again, your advice to Steve Kavanagh would have been to rehome dont even bother breaking Louis Rumble in whom yesterday at 28.3kg being a son of 28-29kg Fernando Bale almost broke the Casino track record at his first start in a heat of the Pop Northfield...

Yep the breed is going bad right this minute and into the future...as breeders have shown throughout the past decades and the present day...it never was about size, but talent!

Until the top earners list reads 9/10 in favour of your 24kg and 27.5kg wonder bitches and dogs Darren ....... Ill say what I like

Its my opinion and its greyhound data

You dont own it , and anyone else wishing to come in here and voice some much needed new air as apposed to reading your dribble for the last 2 months ....they should!

Not everyone has to believe or think any sire in the world is full proof in all categories
If you do think this , you are biased or ignorant

I dont care who the breeder was or is or who is current trainer ???

As for telling me to advice PW or SK ?
Rehoming small pups ?
Not breaking in small pups ?

Theres the reason you lost all credibility with me months ago

Someone call the nut house

Ps. Not sure whos worse ..... Bruce or Darren
One leaves and another picks up ........

Good luck all , c yas in another 6 months

Greyhound data wonders why its the same 6 Poeple on here with no new growth
GWIC should come on here and limit certain people to 1 text per week instead of limiting broods !