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Do you have questions regarding the health of your greyhound? Do you need tips what you should feed your dog?
Or do you need advice in curing an injury?

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Mark Schlegel
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20 Apr 2015 07:34


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peter hooper wrote:

They still sell it Mark but it's up to $2.00kg and may hit $3.00 in the not too distant future, apparently they have an export market for it and were well short of pet mince to fill their local pet food orders last week.

Ouch!
Not sure how they are exporting it? Being offal, it only keeps for 3-4 days without freezing.....vacuum sealing won't work.

For that price I'll stick with Seymour beef mince. I can't remember what they do with their offal?



Peter Hooper
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20 Apr 2015 07:41


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Just out of interest have you ever bought Seymours puppy mince? What are there prices like?




Mark Schlegel
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Not for a while.......but when Kyneton was $1.20, Seymour was $1.70. I'm guessing it is about $2.20 a kilo now???

Seymour puppy mince is just a fattier version of their racing mince......very good quality beef, not offal.


Raymond Henness
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20 Apr 2015 10:15


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Peter north central stock feeds Heathcote
Puppu 1.80
Race 2.2o
No complaints from me


Peter Hooper
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20 Apr 2015 10:47


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Thanks Ray will check it out



Steve Harvey
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Craig Andrews wrote:

What kibble are the top trainers using these days?

When I used to race Hills Science Diet was the go to kibble but I notice it's ingredients have been altered over the last 5-10 years and perhaps trainers have swapped to another brand.

Cheers guys


I have no idea what other trainers use in regards 2 kibble but I feed EUKANUBA PREMIUM with top quality red beef as the basis of their regular evening meal. I gave it a 3mth "TEST" & was amazed with the improvements. People may disagree about this kibble BUT I WON'T use anything else on my racing K9's now. Every trainer 2 their own as the saying goes Craig.



Grant Thomas
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Trying VIP's new HOLISTIC grain free brand...26% protein and 14% fat...

$12 for 3kgs...haven't seen it in larger bags yet...



Jeanette Spruyt
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Wow Craig,
You have some reading to do!
Just looking at the topic "Kibble" and then looking at the responses - just great, wouldn't thought there would be alot to talk about. Just shows the depth of this forum site (I don't read it alot), just great again (when I do read it). I wish I could read all of them, but it will have to be another day - always another day!
Personally, the top end kibbles are not something that I would consider, a. because of the cost and b. because I believe that through balance a dog can run just as good on one that isn't so pricey. I can't help but hark back to my old gabb - she had to go when she was 14 years old, she could run like the wind and she always looked a treat. She was a true stayer and her stamina was amazing. I used to feed her wet supercoat and around the usual quota of meat for a female, definitely feramo was part of the mix. And anything else came from instinct, common sense, some definite variety(but not really in the kibble especially in her racing career) and some scraps. I don't think Kibble is such a big deal as long as it not those really cheap ones (yeah heaps of wheat product as someone else mentioned - and yes you do know how things are by the stool). Of course Supercoat has gone up in price well and truely but it is not as expensive as some of them. I haven't trained for a while but the kibble really was not something I had to think about and I believe she needed. There's so many other things to manage and of course the different seasons of the year, that kibble would be something that I wouldn't ponder too much about as I knew that it agreed with her. And for example one time when she got checked over by the vet prior to kennelling - the thumb would go up - as she certainly looked the part. The thing is sometimes you hear too much, and seeing is believing! For example: arguments about raw eggs and garlic. I must say I only had one dog so the odd selective scraps were all hers and of course I would have to take weight and racing into account. Timing to me was a big thing, and the same for her when she could have a bone. Keep em happy!



Peter Bryce
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Mark Schlegel wrote:

Jamie Quinlivian wrote:

Here's one of the millions of things I don't get.

Why is kibble which has rice in it any better than the grain stuff?

Dogs don't wander through paddocks nibbling on grain, not many graze their way through rice fields either. Or potatoes or any of the other 'holistic' grain alternatives.


That's why 90% of kibbles are a complete crock!

It is a filler. There is very little nutritional benefit to be gained from kibble....
Most of the ingredients are indigestible for dogs. Most vegetable matter for example needs to be partially digested beforehand (i.e. offal) for the dog to get anything out of it. They just don't have the necessary enzymes to break down raw (or even cooked) vegetables.

Considering how much they actually get out of kibble, it is ludicrous what companies put into it and what people pay for it!

I've said it many time........it is glorified roughage.

Mark
Yours is a very accurate appraisal of Kibble
1 - Glossy Bag
2 - 1% Salt as Preservative
3 - Nutrition COOKED out of it
4 - Added to meat = High Protein diet not suited to Racing Greyhounds
5 - Colouring to make every batch LOOK the same - They probably aren't?

Why feed COOKED meat when you feed FRESH
Why feed COOKED Bread when you feed FRESH
Why feed COOKED Vegetables when you feed FRESH
Why feed SALT to dehydrate Greyhounds
What source is the Fat - Recycled from Fish & Chip Shop Fryers??





Peter Bryce
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18 Feb 2017 05:15


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charles w mizzi wrote:

There is no one way to train a dog, there is no one way to feed a dog.

I started training in the mid 70's and I had the privilege to learn from some of the best of that time. Gordon Strachan, Allan Roberts, Ned Bryant. What did they feed.....the best meat they could buy, vegies(silverbeet/parsley/celery/carrots, all cooked)and the additives of the time. I stopped training in 1988 and returned in 2007 and fed this way.

You guys keep calling the dry food of today, Kibble. It is whole dry food. Farrells Kibble was what most trainers used back then, Box 1 4x2 biscuits is that mixture today.

Typical Analysis
Crude Protein 12% | Crude Fat 3% | Crude Fibre 5% | Salt 1%

Ingredients
Wholegrain cereal and cereal by-products, meat and meat by-products (derived from beef and/or lamb
and/or chicken), tallow, dicalcium phosphate, garlic powder, salt, natural flavouring, emulsifier, natural
colour, preservatives and antioxidants.

This was a balanced part of the dogs diet in those days.

Back then backyard trainers were the norm and IMO when big kennels started to arrive easy and more economical ways to feed was a need that had to be filled, hence the whole dry food industry began.

As a trainer do what works for you, if you are having success continue what you are doing, if not change, learn and find what works.

Now we have no real KIBBLE apart from the 4x2's mix so no matter what brand you are using the appropriate amount needs to be worked out. I use XP3020........30% Protien, 20% Fat, I use a minimal amount with racing beef because that is all they need.

Because Farrells kibble was stopped being made a few years back and I got sick of breaking up 4x2's to feed a dozen dogs I dried out wholemeal bread to use as kibble, and as some are calling it a filler, which it is not, the dogs were all performing so so but all still maidens. I steered away from the new because I was locked in the past, then I researched and found in XP3020 everything I had given my racing dogs in the past in this format. I changed to XP and in three weeks the litter could not stop winning races.

Long winded, but there you go.

Charles
Can you or anyone else explain why none of the brands ever add up to 100%
Why don't the Manufacturers divulge the mystery ingredients
Smacks of KFC - The Colonels Secret Recipe



Jeff Crawford
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I have tried virtually all the top brand kibbles over the years and I'm not sold on any of them so I'm doing my own little experiment of feeding a selected few of my greyhounds wholemeal bread to see any differences and so far I've got to say that those on bread look better in themselves since switching them across.....Just have to see if it means anything on the track now.



Peter Bryce
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Jeff Crawford wrote:

I have tried virtually all the top brand kibbles over the years and I'm not sold on any of them so I'm doing my own little experiment of feeding a selected few of my greyhounds wholemeal bread to see any differences and so far I've got to say that those on bread look better in themselves since switching them across.....Just have to see if it means anything on the track now.

Jeff don't forget the Fatty Acid Omega 3 6 &9 Oil
Calories Calories Calories ENERGY ENERGY ENERGY
Tablespoon Morning & Night
Double Morning and night before as well as Morning of and 4 hrs prior to race
Good Luck



Jeanette Spruyt
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18 Feb 2017 13:56


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Sheez what an old thread to be brought back.
Each to their own I say. Always interesting.
Sometimes there is so much information about it drives you crazy.
E.g. Somehow I got on to the whole dog journal and I am bombarded with emails with their links. Not saying that some points are not interesting but if I read everything I would never get out of the house and my dogs would never be able to run anyway.
They certainly do on those links talk about kibble - and the good, bad and the ugly with it. It hasn't freaked me out to much.
The best measuring stick when it comes to feed, in any greyhound persons book, I would have to say is the stool.
If your in the thick of it so to speak, then your dealing with it everyday.





Jeanette Spruyt
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I'm pretty sure that kibble link, I was mentioning is American.
I use Coprice currently and find it works well with my team.
I can speak very highly of their puppy kibble and the big rep that went to alot of effort to give me other suppliers contacts when my usual supplier had zero, that went from one week~then another~then another~then another. Very frustrating but got on to a business that primarily looked after horses and they kindly ordered it for me each week (because alot of the places listed as stockists just were not via the website). And when you are rural its not always the same ball game. And I had to get that great stool back.
I use the Coprice working dog, alls fine.
The verdict is out for me with the light and mature for the geriatrics. That is one area that I will experiment more and more with. I add natural stuff to all of my dogs meal. My puppies love spinach. Love to give my dogs some some form of fish. It doesn't stop, always thinking about the dogs.
Derh - Not trying to reinvent the wheel but of course we all try and get better, or go with our circumstances, or we are just in a place where we can be satisfied. My puppies as far as I am concerned have great chasing intincts and one in particular very very smart, I could imagine her weaving through and past the pack - and all from her head. All I care about basically is them being sound and fit in everyway possible and respecting their need for rest prior to feedtime.
Everyone has different backgrounds but this poor mans' racehorse is really a treat to have, and they certainly keep you thinking and on your toes.
Go the dishlickers!
And have to say in regards to the kibble - Go the Aussie farmers!, as I read the bag - Australian made and owned.
And now I feel I just need to add "respect your elders", we were always told that as youngsters.
And I am going to add "earn your place".
Someone said to me one day, they are just a dog - you can take that two ways for the racing greyhound.
And naturally they are the best at what they do in the dog kingdom.
All dogs have evolved with us.
I know alot of this is not rocket science but each to their own.
And it is always good listening to others.
Defintely need to sign off.



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