The Greyhound-Data Forum has been created to act as a platform for greyhound enthusiasts to share information on this magnificent animal called a greyhound.
Greyhound-Data reserve the right to remove any post that is off topic, advertisements or opinions they consider to be offensive.
If you answer then please try to stay on topic. It's absolutely okay to answer in a broader scope but don't hijack posts by switching to something off topic.
In case you see an insulting post: DO NOT REPLY TO IT!
Use the report button to inform the moderators so that we can delete it.
Do you have questions regarding the health of your greyhound? Do you need tips what you should feed your dog? Or do you need advice in curing an injury?
Jamie Quinlivian Australia (Verified User) Posts 8727 Dogs 10 / Races 0 12 Feb 2017 13:14
(0)
(0)
It will prove nothing. I am in disbelief that Peter even chose to bring that up. He obviously took delight in the fact that my dogs didn't win today and has tried to take the higher ground by suggesting it is because I don't use his products.
For you information Peter. The dog that came 3rd had his first start in 5 weeks. The bitch that came 5th had her first start in 5 months. People in SA know I have been in South Africa for 3 weeks and none of my dogs raced or trialled in that time, in fact people who follow my other thread on this site would know that I declared these dogs would not win today. Todays meeting was a pathways meeting with flattened prizemoney. Winner gets $400, last place gets $75. So for me today it was 2 full field trials that instead of costing me $14, actually paid me $265. That's smart. The bitch had a stopper bone issue and has also had a season, anyone who knows anything about dogs would know that a bitches first run back after a season wont be much good, yet she still grabbed the lure first which I am super happy with. And if she pulls up without any soreness tomorrow I'll be even happier. Here's another stat for you. 7 of my dogs have raced over 400m at Gawler. There best times are 22.94 22.77 22.71 22.68 22.64 22.60 & 22.54. Why dont you ask any of your SA clients if they would be happy with any of those times Peter.
I dont have a problem with the diet you are spruiking. I just do not beleive it will miraculously make dogs win races. A university study using only 8 dogs is farcical, yet you are relentlessly demanding that we all accept it to be proven fact.
And finally, there are many trainers who read this website but do not post. The reason is because almost every thread gets personal and its mostly non trainers that start the mud flinging. You coming on here and posting that my dogs were beaten today, then tying that in with your own products is arrogant and disrespectful. I have bought muzzles, kennel mats, vetwrap, collars, leads etc from you before. Not anymore. And I am also finished with this website. Better things to do.
Peter Bryce Australia (Verified User) Posts 706 Dogs 0 / Races 0 12 Feb 2017 20:34
(0)
(0)
Jamie Quinlivian wrote:
It will prove nothing. I am in disbelief that Peter even chose to bring that up. He obviously took delight in the fact that my dogs didn't win today and has tried to take the higher ground by suggesting it is because I don't use his products.
For you information Peter. The dog that came 3rd had his first start in 5 weeks. The bitch that came 5th had her first start in 5 months. People in SA know I have been in South Africa for 3 weeks and none of my dogs raced or trialled in that time, in fact people who follow my other thread on this site would know that I declared these dogs would not win today. Todays meeting was a pathways meeting with flattened prizemoney. Winner gets $400, last place gets $75. So for me today it was 2 full field trials that instead of costing me $14, actually paid me $265. That's smart. The bitch had a stopper bone issue and has also had a season, anyone who knows anything about dogs would know that a bitches first run back after a season wont be much good, yet she still grabbed the lure first which I am super happy with. And if she pulls up without any soreness tomorrow I'll be even happier. Here's another stat for you. 7 of my dogs have raced over 400m at Gawler. There best times are 22.94 22.77 22.71 22.68 22.64 22.60 & 22.54. Why dont you ask any of your SA clients if they would be happy with any of those times Peter.
I dont have a problem with the diet you are spruiking. I just do not beleive it will miraculously make dogs win races. A university study using only 8 dogs is farcical, yet you are relentlessly demanding that we all accept it to be proven fact.
And finally, there are many trainers who read this website but do not post. The reason is because almost every thread gets personal and its mostly non trainers that start the mud flinging. You coming on here and posting that my dogs were beaten today, then tying that in with your own products is arrogant and disrespectful. I have bought muzzles, kennel mats, vetwrap, collars, leads etc from you before. Not anymore. And I am also finished with this website. Better things to do.
Jamie You keep referring to "ONLY 8 GREYHOUNDS" I have pointed out that it was 16 GREYHOUNDS in 2 X 8 Group How do you keep reading 8 Interpretation leads to Misrepresentation
Here it is again
Jamie Quinlivian wrote:
Only 8 greyhounds???
Does the report show individual differences or is it just an average differential of the group?
Jamie 2 Groups of 8 Greyhounds = 16 Greyhounds The study was about 2 different Diets Each Group were on both diets and raced twice weekly Yes the AVERAGE was 2.6metres quicker on the Higher Carb Fat diet That means some were Quicker than 2.6metres Perhaps you could end up with one of those by using THE DIET
Peter Bryce Australia (Verified User) Posts 706 Dogs 0 / Races 0 12 Feb 2017 20:46
(0)
(0)
Jamie This Thread was my first on Greyhound Data Take a look back through the thread and see how unwelcome I was made to feel My persistence was and still is due to the positive Phone calls and Emails I have received Many of my answers to posts were in answer to questions asked - Even though the questions were pointed Like Jack who asked how many Dogs I have had and Races Answer 0 - 0 Jack has O dogs and Races 1 (Not sure how you can do that)
You chose to support other posts that were directed at me more than question me on the posts directly.
I transport Dog beds to SA at near cost - (Subsidising) as a means of promoting Winning Formula Supplements to South Australia We sell our Muzzles at $15 - Try to purchase them anywhere at that price I have a monthly fuel bill of $1800 with ongoing Mechanical repairs. I apologise if you were offended by my response However take a look back through this thread and it may help you understand Why!!
Peter Bryce Australia (Verified User) Posts 706 Dogs 0 / Races 0 12 Feb 2017 21:32
(0)
(0)
Warren Kempshall wrote:
Peter
no short cuts here ! we feed our diet ! that we have put together over the last 20 years ! I've used supplements Vitamins etc until they run out your ears ! no change to the dogs health or ability ! I like to keep our dogs clean inside and wormed every 30 days we use a hand full of additives readily available on the market ! Like I said keep it simple ? PS- not everything we feed our dogs has to be loaded with something that's supposed to make them faster ! we often feed them food with no upside just plain old food ! A changes is as good a holiday they say !
Warren To clear the record - I didn't say YOU were taking short cuts Others Interpretation leads to Misrepresentation Neither did I say anything about Supplements at that stage of the thread Again Misrepresentation (by others)
Peter Bryce Australia (Verified User) Posts 706 Dogs 0 / Races 0 12 Feb 2017 22:23
(0)
(0)
jason shufflebotham wrote:
Fats will only benefit the muscle groups with the added use of l carnatine which will give you glycerol as an secondary energy source, no mention of that .. If the dog doesn't have enough stored fats and carbs it will use the essential amino acids from proteins as energy (gluocegenic) so when you say a dog will never use protein as an energy source over a 30 second race race that's not true in any form.
Jason Your reference to fat is correct if only SOLID meat fat is fed It will require supplements to break it down to energy The reason is that solid fat requires Heat to convert it to liquid The Greyhound body has to generate heat for this to occur - Race condition. But without Supplementing L'Carnitine and similar supplements the Greyhounds system is working overtime to achieve this Alas!! Omega 3 6 8 Oil - It is already liquid and finds its way into the Muscle as Fuel - 8000 to 9000 Calories No accident that the countless Trainers using Oil are happy with the result If this source of Fatty Acid is not available you are correct it will need to be provided from Protein (3500 Calories) which will cause the Greyhound to fade at race end and will probably end up in the Catching Pen with Cramp and Muscle fatigue which will likely result in torn muscles at next race start
My reference to a Greyhound not burning Protein as Energy, it assumes the Trainer is supplying enough Carb (3500 calories)Fatty Acids (9000 calories) so that the Greyhound doesn't need to revert to Protein (3500 calories)
Lianne Cook Australia (Verified User) Posts 13438 Dogs 100 / Races 97 12 Feb 2017 23:02
(0)
(0)
Peter Bryce wrote:
Like Jack who asked how many Dogs I have had and Races Answer 0 - 0 Jack has O dogs and Races 1 (Not sure how you can do that)
Peter, that doesn't mean Jack had 0 dogs or raced 1.
It means he has helped greyhound data with information those number of times.
Look at mine, 100 dogs 97 races... lol I never had 100 dogs nor 97 races. This simply means I have entered 100 dogs' names and 97 races into the database as a favour to help Gdata out.
Peter Bryce Australia (Verified User) Posts 706 Dogs 0 / Races 0 12 Feb 2017 23:13
(0)
(0)
Thanks Lianne - Not sure of what that means in terms of entering Dogs and Races but thank you
Peter Bryce Australia (Verified User) Posts 706 Dogs 0 / Races 0 15 Feb 2017 00:28
(0)
(0)
Peter Bryce wrote:
In my time in the field of animal Nutrition I have seen many diets used In early 2007 I researched Racing Greyhound Diets only to find the available information in Australia was scarce I found the USA had more information than Australia The University of Florida where there were 14 Greyhound Tracks at that time had conducted research on Greyhound Diets. High Protein Kibble / Meat diets produced a inferior result to Carbohydrate Fat Fatty acid low Protein Diets Carbohydrate is 1st & 2nd gear Fat Fatty Acid is 3rd & 4th gear Protein role is to build strength and fibre to Muscle.
20% Plus Protein Kibble with 600g to 700g Meat makes a 75% to 80% protein diet which is very low on available energy for Race dogs
Example Diet
1% of bodyweight in Carbohydrate - Bread Rice Oat Vegetables 26kg bitch 260g dry weight Carb - 38kg 380g dry weight fed Half morning half night 20mil Omega 3 6 & 9 Oil Morning and Night (there is no weight in Oil - just Calories) Double the dose Morning Prior to race that night Morning of event if night meeting 40mil 4hrs prior to race time not kennel time 500g Meat for Dog 400g for bitch is the guide Larger Dog extra 50g meat Meat can be Beef Chicken Roo Horse (Brumby no drugs) or in combinations. You can add chopped vegs to the bread rice etc Silver beet, Celery, Parsley, Carrot etc Egg whites (Albumim is high form of muscle protein) Ideal for after race recovery) Egg yolk is high percent fat so you can use instead of the Oil at times (Edited by Admin)
John Little Australia (Verified User) Posts 56 Dogs 5 / Races 0 15 Feb 2017 02:49
(0)
(0)
Jack Ogilvie wrote:
Glenn one of the best things for the kidneys is DR magoos kidney flush Bloody good clean water it will flush out a lot of toxins and synthetic waste in your dog if your looking for a good cheep wetting agent for your kibble put a couple of cups of pearle barley in a 10 LT pot bring to the boil,then let simmer for half an hour the thrown in a hand full of parslykeep simmering for 20 mins stain off let cool and use on your dogs food each night..
John Little Australia (Verified User) Posts 56 Dogs 5 / Races 0 15 Feb 2017 02:51
(0)
(0)
do you feed the pearl barley or chuck it ?
Kevin Wright Australia (Verified User) Posts 5708 Dogs 1 / Races 1 15 Feb 2017 04:32
(1)
(0)
john little wrote:
Jack Ogilvie wrote:
Glenn one of the best things for the kidneys is DR magoos kidney flush Bloody good clean water it will flush out a lot of toxins and synthetic waste in your dog if your looking for a good cheep wetting agent for your kibble put a couple of cups of pearle barley in a 10 LT pot bring to the boil,then let simmer for half an hour the thrown in a hand full of parslykeep simmering for 20 mins stain off let cool and use on your dogs food each night..
John still one of the best all time remedies.... add a bit of this and bit of that ALL NATURAL ingredients and you establish a drink and fluid mix that nothing manufactured could even compare to ...
Celery.. Barley Water Carrots ..Beetroot ..Parsley ..Ginger Turmeric ...and so on are part of the super foods groups and these simple products alone will give you better long term value .
Jack Ogilvie Australia (Verified User) Posts 15482 Dogs 0 / Races 1 15 Feb 2017 06:56
(0)
(0)
John give it your pups if you have them or chuck it. Cheer Jack.
Mark Keane United Kingdom (Verified User) Posts 122 Dogs 0 / Races 0 15 Feb 2017 07:19
(0)
(0)
Peter Bryce wrote:
Peter Bryce wrote:
In my time in the field of animal Nutrition I have seen many diets used In early 2007 I researched Racing Greyhound Diets only to find the available information in Australia was scarce I found the USA had more information than Australia The University of Florida where there were 14 Greyhound Tracks at that time had conducted research on Greyhound Diets. High Protein Kibble / Meat diets produced a inferior result to Carbohydrate Fat Fatty acid low Protein Diets Carbohydrate is 1st & 2nd gear Fat Fatty Acid is 3rd & 4th gear Protein role is to build strength and fibre to Muscle.
20% Plus Protein Kibble with 600g to 700g Meat makes a 75% to 80% protein diet which is very low on available energy for Race dogs
Example Diet
1% of bodyweight in Carbohydrate - Bread Rice Oat Vegetables 26kg bitch 260g dry weight Carb - 38kg 380g dry weight fed Half morning half night 20mil Omega 3 6 & 9 Oil Morning and Night (there is no weight in Oil - just Calories) Double the dose Morning Prior to race that night Morning of event if night meeting 40mil 4hrs prior to race time not kennel time 500g Meat for Dog 400g for bitch is the guide Larger Dog extra 50g meat Meat can be Beef Chicken Roo Horse (Brumby no drugs) or in combinations. You can add chopped vegs to the bread rice etc Silver beet, Celery, Parsley, Carrot etc Egg whites (Albumim is high form of muscle protein) Ideal for after race recovery) Egg yolk is high percent fat so you can use instead of the Oil at times (Edited by Admin)
i thought i read on greyhound data you were not not supposed to give greys raw egg i might be wrong but just asking.
Mark Schlegel Australia (Verified User) Posts 3168 Dogs 9 / Races 5 15 Feb 2017 09:08
(0)
(0)
mark keane wrote:
Peter Bryce wrote:
Peter Bryce wrote:
In my time in the field of animal Nutrition I have seen many diets used In early 2007 I researched Racing Greyhound Diets only to find the available information in Australia was scarce I found the USA had more information than Australia The University of Florida where there were 14 Greyhound Tracks at that time had conducted research on Greyhound Diets. High Protein Kibble / Meat diets produced a inferior result to Carbohydrate Fat Fatty acid low Protein Diets Carbohydrate is 1st & 2nd gear Fat Fatty Acid is 3rd & 4th gear Protein role is to build strength and fibre to Muscle.
20% Plus Protein Kibble with 600g to 700g Meat makes a 75% to 80% protein diet which is very low on available energy for Race dogs
Example Diet
1% of bodyweight in Carbohydrate - Bread Rice Oat Vegetables 26kg bitch 260g dry weight Carb - 38kg 380g dry weight fed Half morning half night 20mil Omega 3 6 & 9 Oil Morning and Night (there is no weight in Oil - just Calories) Double the dose Morning Prior to race that night Morning of event if night meeting 40mil 4hrs prior to race time not kennel time 500g Meat for Dog 400g for bitch is the guide Larger Dog extra 50g meat Meat can be Beef Chicken Roo Horse (Brumby no drugs) or in combinations. You can add chopped vegs to the bread rice etc Silver beet, Celery, Parsley, Carrot etc Egg whites (Albumim is high form of muscle protein) Ideal for after race recovery) Egg yolk is high percent fat so you can use instead of the Oil at times (Edited by Admin)
i thought i read on greyhound data you were not not supposed to give greys raw egg i might be wrong but just asking.
Like a lot of things (e.g. Garlic) it can be detrimental to dogs.........but in small doses it won't matter much.
Mark Keane United Kingdom (Verified User) Posts 122 Dogs 0 / Races 0 15 Feb 2017 09:23
(0)
(0)
mark keane wrote:
Peter Bryce wrote:
Peter Bryce wrote:
In my time in the field of animal Nutrition I have seen many diets used In early 2007 I researched Racing Greyhound Diets only to find the available information in Australia was scarce I found the USA had more information than Australia The University of Florida where there were 14 Greyhound Tracks at that time had conducted research on Greyhound Diets. High Protein Kibble / Meat diets produced a inferior result to Carbohydrate Fat Fatty acid low Protein Diets Carbohydrate is 1st & 2nd gear Fat Fatty Acid is 3rd & 4th gear Protein role is to build strength and fibre to Muscle.
20% Plus Protein Kibble with 600g to 700g Meat makes a 75% to 80% protein diet which is very low on available energy for Race dogs
Example Diet
1% of bodyweight in Carbohydrate - Bread Rice Oat Vegetables 26kg bitch 260g dry weight Carb - 38kg 380g dry weight fed Half morning half night 20mil Omega 3 6 & 9 Oil Morning and Night (there is no weight in Oil - just Calories) Double the dose Morning Prior to race that night Morning of event if night meeting 40mil 4hrs prior to race time not kennel time 500g Meat for Dog 400g for bitch is the guide Larger Dog extra 50g meat Meat can be Beef Chicken Roo Horse (Brumby no drugs) or in combinations. You can add chopped vegs to the bread rice etc Silver beet, Celery, Parsley, Carrot etc Egg whites (Albumim is high form of muscle protein) Ideal for after race recovery) Egg yolk is high percent fat so you can use instead of the Oil at times (Edited by Admin)
i thought i read on greyhound data you were not not supposed to give greys raw egg i might be wrong but just asking.
thanks mark, you say dont use garlic i put two whole cloves in my stock pot when boiling up the bones to make a broth for our pups
Mark Schlegel Australia (Verified User) Posts 3168 Dogs 9 / Races 5 15 Feb 2017 09:31
(0)
(0)
mark keane wrote:
thanks mark, you say dont use garlic i put two whole cloves in my stock pot when boiling up the bones to make a broth for our pups
Most people (myself included) feed some garlic as it has some beneficial properties....but in large quantities it can be toxic. I would maybe grate it or blend it before using it in a stew (in case one dog ended up with the whole clove).......but otherwise it won't be any problem.
Mark Schlegel Australia (Verified User) Posts 3168 Dogs 9 / Races 5 15 Feb 2017 09:34
(0)
(0)
To clarify the egg issue a little....
Egg whites partially block biotin absorption but, the yolk has enough to make up for that, so feed the whole egg......and don't overdo it.
Carole Brown Australia (Verified User) Posts 32355 Dogs 185 / Races 2 15 Feb 2017 09:34
(1)
(0)
Mark, the avidin, found in raw egg white, hinders the absorption, in the body, of biotin, a B group vitamin. Given in large quantities, over a period of time, will leave the body deficient in this vitamin.
Mark Schlegel Australia (Verified User) Posts 3168 Dogs 9 / Races 5 15 Feb 2017 09:39
(0)
(0)
Carole Brown wrote:
Mark, the avidin, found in raw egg white, hinders the absorption, in the body, of biotin, a B group vitamin. Given in large quantities, over a period of time, will leave the body deficient in this vitamin.
See above... :)
I don't feed egg myself, though plenty of trainers do. A whole egg on occasion isn't going to hurt.......I just think it's not necessary in their diet.
Carole Brown Australia (Verified User) Posts 32355 Dogs 185 / Races 2 15 Feb 2017 09:42
Do you have questions regarding the health of your greyhound? Do you need tips what you should feed your dog?
