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Do you have questions regarding the health of your greyhound? Do you need tips what you should feed your dog?
Or do you need advice in curing an injury?

Minerals - Supplement or not?page  1 2 


Peter Bryce
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23 Feb 2017 05:36


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Kevin
You keep referring only to Kidney Flushes
You need to look at the wider range of products I supply

Amino Acid Vitamin Mineral Supplement
Calcium Phosphorus with Vit D3 and 80% Protein Concentrate
Iron Boost
KFS Kidney Function Solution
Lactic Eze - Lactic Acid Buffer
Nourish - Molasses Apple Cider Vinegar with Amino Acids
Omega 3 6 9 Oil
Apple Cider Vinegar Honey Garlic
K9 Essential Salts Potassium Sodium Maltodextrin
KALM for Nervous Dogs
MSM Methylsulphonylmethane
Vitamin E with 75000iu
Vitamin C
Manuka Honey
Antiseptic Spray
Sanitiser
Muscle Rub
Muscle Spray
Garlic Powder
Shampoo with Tea Tree Oil Eucalyptus Oil

Please explain why you are so preoccupied with Kidney Flushes??



Kevin Wright
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23 Feb 2017 05:51


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Peter Bryce wrote:

Kevin
You keep referring only to Kidney Flushes
You need to look at the wider range of products I supply

Amino Acid Vitamin Mineral Supplement
Calcium Phosphorus with Vit D3 and 80% Protein Concentrate
Iron Boost
KFS Kidney Function Solution
Lactic Eze - Lactic Acid Buffer
Nourish - Molasses Apple Cider Vinegar with Amino Acids
Omega 3 6 9 Oil
Apple Cider Vinegar Honey Garlic
K9 Essential Salts Potassium Sodium Maltodextrin
KALM for Nervous Dogs
MSM Methylsulphonylmethane
Vitamin E with 75000iu
Vitamin C
Manuka Honey
Antiseptic Spray
Sanitiser
Muscle Rub
Muscle Spray
Garlic Powder
Shampoo with Tea Tree Oil Eucalyptus Oil

Please explain why you are so preoccupied with Kidney Flushes??


Pete you don't understand you have not seen the effects of people feeding these products to race dogs over the long term and don't refer to Bates because we all know what he was up to on many occasions don't we .

We have people who would turn over dogs like it was xmas and these people passed on dogs that were cooked most times inside and then you discover where the dog came from and it all makes sense .

So many people stuff up this very basic concept because over the years peter these products you and others sell have stuffed up more dogs that what anyone would really know.

I used to check a few dogs pete and i have been and seen some of the best Canine manipulators and muscle men over my time and one thing i do know about is the dogs insides and what he needs as fuel to burn and u must ensure his Kidneys and his other parts inside the body are working as one .
You must talk to Canine men and women who check Canines ..
They will tell you what they see as as i said i think Carole's oldman would of seen a thing or two so why go against people who know better ..

I hammer home the kidneys because this is where so many get it wrong and the function of the Kidneys must at all times be clear and healthy and any product that you suggest over time will damage a dog rather than fix and maintain any Kidney problems you have ...

Natural must always be used as the first CHOICE not the last choice when the dog has a problem ..

I had a stud dog had bad teeth rotten roots at the back Wisdom teeth u could say ...guess what he had pete a kidney infection without even running a dog and this is why i am so persistent on Kidneys because when you see a problem it's too late ..

I dont see any problems with my natural kidney cleanser ..I get a dog pissing like a horse thats important..especially after a hard race ..

If you wait to see if you have a Kidney infection then 99% of the time you have it and you don't know it ...

We always learn thats what it is about but Pete we have seen products over the years that say they do this and that but they don't work and they waste your money ....Natural always if possible...

Now the thing that you are not acknowledging to is Jacks O goodies they all work they do exactly what they say they do and i know Jacks process of making these products is measured down to last mil..

You will get no where attacking Jack O in any way and i am sorry that's the way it is ..
Jack don't need this and he has better things to do then read the bloody internet all day.

No one has no problems with anything you say Pete but you started to attack Jack O and because Jack is a decent hard working man who has built his business on hard work and Knowledge i feel you should not of dismissed his comments as dribble ....

Jack O has the respect of everyone here and overseas so that is telling you something there..

PLEASE IF ANYONE THINKS JACK O'S PRODUCTS ARE CRAP SPEAK UP...
You will not get a single person who would tell you otherwise and thats a fact ..

Let me start this so you can see how much support Jack O has throughout the industry .....

Who here supports Jack O and his products ........I Do

and there are so many others who also do as well ...fact .

You go on about diet but your diet was controlled by the products you sell .PETE..
TRANSPARENCY....





Peter Bryce
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23 Feb 2017 06:07


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Kevin
Don't look to deep
The biggest single issue is Salt
Salt in pre cooked Kibble
High Protein Diets
Glucose in products for Athletes
Farm Animal Products
Muscle injections that create scar tissue
Injecting Iron can cause catastrophic issues
Racing Greyhounds before injuries have healed
Lack of Calcium Phosphorus Supplementation to Brood Bitches in preparation for her litter
DCP with no Vitamin D3 compromise the developing skeletal system of not 1 baby not 1 foal but 2 4 6 8 10 12 puppies
This is a massive drain on the Bitches Calcium Phosphorus reserves
Stress fractures as a result of Puppies poorly supplemented in development
The issues are under your nose
Don't complicate it





Peter Bryce
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23 Feb 2017 06:40


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Kevin
How many products does Jack have
What are the names of them and what do they claim to do




Jack Ogilvie
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23 Feb 2017 06:45


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Geez Lassie ,here boy I must be going mad I agree with some things Peter is saying,but I'm with Kev all the way with the flushes being shoved down dogs throats during the testing of my products I did DNA testing on 50 dogs I was amazed with the results with damage to dogs kidneys and adrenals from one of the best known flushes .Carole Brown and I were swapping notes and came to the same conclusion.THIS PRODUCT CAUSED CRAMPING ,Plus also what I have stated above .Dogs were struggling to get 500m .once off this toxic crap they improved once they were put on kidney adrenal tonic and put on a liver supplement.Peter please understand we have all seen the damage done from these products that's why you are being rejected by the experienced trainers.



Jack Ogilvie
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23 Feb 2017 06:48


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Come on Peter ,your not that thick you have visited my web site and face book



Peter Bryce
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23 Feb 2017 07:57


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Jack Ogilvie wrote:

Geez Lassie ,here boy I must be going mad I agree with some things Peter is saying,but I'm with Kev all the way with the flushes being shoved down dogs throats during the testing of my products I did DNA testing on 50 dogs I was amazed with the results with damage to dogs kidneys and adrenals from one of the best known flushes .Carole Brown and I were swapping notes and came to the same conclusion.THIS PRODUCT CAUSED CRAMPING ,Plus also what I have stated above .Dogs were struggling to get 500m .once off this toxic crap they improved once they were put on kidney adrenal tonic and put on a liver supplement.Peter please understand we have all seen the damage done from these products that's why you are being rejected by the experienced trainers.

Jack
So it was 1 product - Here is your opportunity to name IT
Let me quess - It was a Horse product in a white bottle with a Green Label??



Peter Bryce
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23 Feb 2017 07:59


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Jack Ogilvie wrote:

Come on Peter ,your not that thick you have visited my web site and face book

Jack
Settle down
I was creating the opportunity for you to tell all the GD Members Trainers out there
It wasn't for me



Peter Bryce
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23 Feb 2017 09:04


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Kevin
Please go back and read from the start
Diet controlled by Products I sell???
Really???
I don't manufacture Bread Rice Oats Vegetables
Water
Meat Chicken Roo Meat Horse Meat
Omega 3 6 9 Oil yes!! But it is widely available elsewhere
So Kevin please explain where The Greyhound Diet promotes the products I manufacture.
This is complete misrepresentation





Peter Bryce
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23 Feb 2017 09:23


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Jack
Sorry I haven't been to your Website or Facebook page



Jack Ogilvie
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24 Feb 2017 04:14


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Oh yea .


John Burrell
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24 Feb 2017 10:35


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I would never try to tell anyone how to 'suck eggs' - I have always said each to their own how they train and feed a dog - if your dogs have a bright eye, a shine to their coats, are well cut-up, pin-bones and short ribs just showing with their fitness lines ripped in along their flanks; and when out walking are up on their toes with a wagging tale and scratting sods up after they have cleaned themselves and they are producing the goods on the track, then, imo, those dogs are right.

I predominantly feed good quality human grade beef, chicken, fish and now and again a touch of offal, beef liver, Kidneys etc, along with veg and a low protein kibble. The only supplement I add, with feeding a high meat diet, (and this was advised to me by the likes of top greyhound vets Paddy Sweeney and Plunkett Devlin) is a calcium supplement. I use Calci-D which is supplementary calcium with Vitamin A and D to correct deficiencies and imbalances in meat based diets.

I also give my dogs fish oil, as this is packed with Omega-369 - A dog can synthesize most of the fats it needs from their diet. However, two essential fatty acids, linoleic and alpha-linolenic, cannot be synthesized in the body and must be obtained from food. These basic fats, found in fish oil and some plant foods, are used to build specialized fats are omega-3 and omega-6 fatty acids, and since fish oil is packed with this my dogs are fed often given tin of sardines with their breakfast and if not sardines a squirt of salmon oil is added to their feed.

But as I said above - each to their own on how they feed - if your dogs look well on it and you are getting results on the track with little or no injuries, then you must be doing something right, including feeding.


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