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Do you have questions regarding the health of your greyhound? Do you need tips what you should feed your dog?
Or do you need advice in curing an injury?

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Jack Ogilvie
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Peter you believe what you want as far as greyhound feeding some people are still back a long way but the majority of trainers are not. You ask what did I feed we fed beef and mutton ,chicken skin,rye bread 2 days old returns to the bakery near me. Grated carrot, celery chopped spinach the meal was soaked with barley and parsley water. We also injected dogs with vit B ,B complex . No colostrum, no spirulina,no chia.no duck fat,no calcium, after a race we would give our dogs a drink of water then before the journey home some powdered milk and ice cream then their feed that night was breed ,milk,minced tripe and a good old dewits pill .
Sunday was always a stew with some lamb flaps and veggies,never had many issues at all.



Peter Bryce
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Jack Ogilvie wrote:

Peter you believe what you want as far as greyhound feeding some people are still back a long way but the majority of trainers are not. You ask what did I feed we fed beef and mutton ,chicken skin,rye bread 2 days old returns to the bakery near me. Grated carrot, celery chopped spinach the meal was soaked with barley and parsley water. We also injected dogs with vit B ,B complex . No colostrum, no spirulina,no chia.no duck fat,no calcium, after a race we would give our dogs a drink of water then before the journey home some powdered milk and ice cream then their feed that night was breed ,milk,minced tripe and a good old dewits pill .
Sunday was always a stew with some lamb flaps and veggies,never had many issues at all.

Jack
Thank you that diet has an ideal level of Carbohydrate from the Bread and Vegetables and Meat no mention of Fat but I believe the Fat /Fatty Acid was derived from the Meat.
No mention of Kibble????.
Your Diet is virtually the ratios I have been demonstrating
So I am surprised you are telling others that the Florida University Diet is Bunkum??
My major point in this Thread has been about the issues from Meat 600 to 800gram with added Kibble 25%+ Protein (75 to 80% Protein Diet) Low Carbohydrate (Bread Rice Vegetables Oats etc)and not knowing what the Fatty Acid in the Kibble is derived from (Fat or Oil).PLUS 1% added Salt as preservative.
There is not 1% bodyweight (300g for 30kg Dog) of Carbohydrate in a Cup/mug (250g) of Kibble when 25% of it is Protein. 1/4 of 250 is 65gram leaving 185gram (Carb) which even allowing for part of it to be Fat would only be enough for a 18.5kg Greyhound
My Point - Kibble and Meat Diets are insufficient for Greyhound Athletes

And now I find that you fed THE or close to the Florida University Ratios.

Life wasn't meant to be this hard




Jack Ogilvie
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13 Feb 2017 00:02


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Peter meat had fat on it .so did the chicken skins. Did not feed kibble as I fed rye bread. Where did I say the Uni diet was bumpkin.where I have had a go at you is the way you think most trainers are uneducated dills. I did forget the teaspoon of livamol except for Sunday's



Peter Bryce
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13 Feb 2017 00:13


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Jack Ogilvie wrote:

Peter meat had fat on it .so did the chicken skins. Did not feed kibble as I fed rye bread. Where did I say the Uni diet was bumpkin.where I have had a go at you is the way you think most trainers are uneducated dills. I did forget the teaspoon of livamol except for Sunday's

I rest my case



Jack Ogilvie
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13 Feb 2017 00:25


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The only case you have is full of BS .so my learned friend don't rest on your case.



Peter Bryce
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13 Feb 2017 00:26


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When I posted in Greyhound Diets I did so to add some food for thought about Diets.
Little did I know what was in store ahead
"Welcome to The Jack Club"
If Jack Ogilvie disagrees with you the natives come out of the woodwork in force.

To those who have contacted me by phone and email thank you for your interest.

I will continue to add content that may assist those who are new to the Greyhound Industry - I am not saying it is "The Only Way" as some on The Forum have Interpreted
"Interpretation Leads to Misrepresentation"



Jack Ogilvie
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Peter, I will not respond to you any more you twist what people say.I have said it before you are full of BS and your use of flushes will stuff dogs , you can have your opinion but stop insulting greyhound trainers as if their brand new to the game.



Kevin Wright
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Peter Bryce wrote:

When I posted in Greyhound Diets I did so to add some food for thought about Diets.
Little did I know what was in store ahead
"Welcome to The Jack Club"
If Jack Ogilvie disagrees with you the natives come out of the woodwork in force.

To those who have contacted me by phone and email thank you for your interest.

I will continue to add content that may assist those who are new to the Greyhound Industry - I am not saying it is "The Only Way" as some on The Forum have Interpreted
"Interpretation Leads to Misrepresentation"


Pete ..
I will settle it here right now for you .....

JACK has a huge advantage over you and your Scientist ...

All of us have come out and said the same things and I guess over time you understand many of the same products you peddle do in fact HARM A DOG IN THE LONG RUN .....FACT ..

Why is it a FACT

Because everyone who has posted here has trained dogs and winners to boot and why cannot you and your team see that Natural organic and Clean Diets are the answer to many things ..

Please ask your scientific to retest PUPS ON REARING FARMS or Dogs in pre training and then assess the true readings based over many factors and condition ..

The funny thing is we as Owner Trainer breeders understand many things about greyhounds and over the years so many Companies have made products designed to assist us with the latest research only to then FAIL when the products were really put to the test ...FACT ..

Diets are always evolving like Mark said and thats fine but to then say we need all of these products to FLUSH out a greyhound kidneys is now becoming ridiculous and as i said early on we all train different and each dog we train can differ and thats why no one will win this battle of the DIETS ...

Pete take it from me and i was the best spammer ever on data but a few of you now take that mantle from me and i gladly pass on the Crown LOL ...

Good luck Boy's




Daryl Barrett
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Warren,firstly,i don't have an " agenda ",i happen to respect that every trainer/greyhound nutritionist has their own theories on training,how to feed.Know for an example,i know of a trainer who swears by the use of Nuetradex in every morning feed,in your'e opinion Warren,is this the wrong thing to do or is what he is doing right,well you know what,he probably doesn't care about what you or other's think of his method's because he is a very successfull city trainer & it he believes that it has benefits & he accepts & respects that others may disagree with his beliefs,but yet,there has been a lot of talk &opinions from other trainers who speak negatively about this "supplement",just as people have about the use of vitamins etc.Warren as i said earlier,it's about having respect for eveyones opinions & thought's,if trainers feel that feeding any supplement helps their greyhound's,& if,once again Peter's or anyone else's post help's in educating any trainer,regardless of their training experience, on the possible benefits of supplement's,training method's diet etc,,then i think that is valuable knowledge to have,whether any trainer chooses to use that knowledge that has been shared is entirely up to themselves at the end of the day,just because you have been quiet successful at the training caper & your'e knowledge is vast,it doesn't mean that other trainer's ( especially the in-experienced ) have that same experience as youreself,& as you would know,as trainers learn ,they take bits & peices of the knowledge that they have aquired & in time,eventually learn what works & what doesn't & develop their own methods on training,feeding,how much work each dog need's etc,& that comes from people/ trainers sharing their knowledge at any level from the beginning & if you feel what Peter is trying to do is boring,then maybe you should just ignore his post's & any other post that " dont take youre fancy".Time to move on from this & get over it Warren.


Daryl Barrett
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Peter Bryce wrote:

Daryl
Thank you for your support
There appears to be a few sensitive new age guys out there
I have a thick hide
There is a lot of support from Data members via phone and email
Greyhound Data is a great medium to communicate with Greyhound participants
It would be easier to ignore the antagonists however whilst respecting their opinions it is necessary to answer their posts





Daryl Barrett
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No problem Peter,antagonists,lol,yeah well i guess everyone has different thoughts & good luck to them,it's just ashame that other's can't accept & respect that we all do,as far as "sensitive new age guy"..ha ha ha,no mate,just plain "old school" who has an open mind.


Mark Keane
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daryl barrett wrote:

No problem Peter,antagonists,lol,yeah well i guess everyone has different thoughts & good luck to them,it's just ashame that other's can't accept & respect that we all do,as far as "sensitive new age guy"..ha ha ha,no mate,just plain "old school" who has an open mind.

if you go back a good few years ago how did they feed racing greyhounds.? i guarantee you one thing half these pills and potions were not available to give to your grey. i remember going over the kennels about 10 years ago Rita used to feed beef chicken brown bread with a veg stew and all her dogs were built like a brick s@@@ houses. its a wonder half the dogs now days with all the pills and potions dont rattle when they go round the 1st bend.




Peter Bryce
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13 Feb 2017 19:43


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Mark
Its not about Pills and Potions that is a choice the Trainer chooses to make
The huge difference from yesteryear to today is the short cut the Trainer wants to take in feeding processed Kibble.
COOKED Meat, Bread?? Vegetable??? Fat?? Oil??? Do you really know which of these are in that glossy bag.
Added Salt 1% to 3%.
Nutrient value diminished in the processing.




Peter Bryce
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Disclaimer:
This post is only for those who feel they need assistance with Dietary Supplementation issues.

Vitamin E (Tocopherol)

Major functions/Use in body:
Antioxidant. Protection of fats against oxidation. Interrelated to selenium. Immune response. Muscle strength and metabolism.

Signs of Deficiency:
Muscle weakness, loss of stamina; risk of .. Cramping? Reduced fertility. Birth of weak or dead pups in breeding bitches.

Signs of Excess:
Depressed appetite. Note:Supplement stepwise increase -25iu daily for 3 days, then 50iu for 3 days, then to full dose to avoid lethargy on sudden introduction.

High Risk Dietary Imbalances:
Lean meat diets. Freezing meat destroys vitamin E, as does mixing supplements of vitamin E with iron tonics in feed.

Dietary Needs:
Single most beneficial vitamin for performance and stamina. Add 40iu minimum daily, especially if diet contains frozen or cooked meats, added fat, and supplemented polyunsaturated fats. Do not mix in same feed as iron tonics.





Peter Bryce
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Disclaimer:
This post is only for those who feel they need assistance with Dietary Supplementation issues.

Vitamin B1 (Thiamine)

Major Functions/Use in Body:
Metabolism of carbohydrates and proteins. Some bowel synthesis.

Signs of Deficiency:
Loss of appetite and weight, poor performance and slow recovery from racing.

Signs of Excess:
Water soluble - not considered toxic.

High Risk Dietary Imbalances:
Cooked foods, raw fish (carp). High carbohydrate dry foods- add vitamin B 1 to help avoid cramping.

Dietary Needs:
Raw meat contains about 100ug/100g. Always cook fish
High doses (40mg daily) for 2-3 weeks may settle nervous animals.


Mark Keane
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peter,
have a look on Paleo Ridge Raw Working Dog Food. give us your opinion



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Mark
Happy to give an opinion
Please send the Ingredient list
I have looked at the link but cant see what is in it
The term Working Dog makes me wonder
Is it for Working Dogs OR Racing Greyhounds?


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Jack Ogilvie wrote:

Daryl, I think Peter is lecturing experienced greyhound trainers who have won hundreds of races.its the old story of theory and practice this is why people are turning against Peter.

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Jack,
I don't think he is doing so at all ! If you like the information then use it to the best of your ability. If you don't like it, don't use it.



Jack Ogilvie
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Mark Donohue wrote:

Jack Ogilvie wrote:

Daryl, I think Peter is lecturing experienced greyhound trainers who have won hundreds of races.its the old story of theory and practice this is why people are turning against Peter.

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Jack,
I don't think he is doing so at all ! If you like the information then use it to the best of your ability. If you don't like it, don't use it.
Mark,
I would put my 50 years of knowledge as a trainer breeder owner.and a person who has manufactured natural products used world wide against a bloke that comes on here full of BS flogging stuff that I know stuffs dogs also this bloke takes most trainers as dills.every thing he puts up is all over the Internet. I will say no more.



Peter Bryce
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Jack Ogilvie wrote:

Mark Donohue wrote:

Jack Ogilvie wrote:

Daryl, I think Peter is lecturing experienced greyhound trainers who have won hundreds of races.its the old story of theory and practice this is why people are turning against Peter.

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Jack,
I don't think he is doing so at all ! If you like the information then use it to the best of your ability. If you don't like it, don't use it.
Mark,
I would put my 50 years of knowledge as a trainer breeder owner.and a person who has manufactured natural products used world wide against a bloke that comes on here full of BS flogging stuff that I know stuffs dogs also this bloke takes most trainers as dills.every thing he puts up is all over the Internet. I will say no more.

Jack
Tread carefully
You are bordering Libel Laws

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