There is also a section for herbs that are not...just for balance.

Please feel free to add if you have used any others that have helped you in the past.

:)

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Very nice and i am a supporter of a few Herbs myself ...(.) (.)..

If people just googled some basic information about Natural Liver and Kidney Cleansers then it would explain why so many people still today Get Water diabetes and Acidosis....

These herbs are not the answer but they are part of the cure and basicly if you can pre train a Greyhound without harmfull Liver and Kidney cleansers than at least people are on the right track ..

NOTHING GOOD COMES IN A BOTTLE from any big PET INDUSTRY that is useful and if you believe in the Tooth Fairy then by all means believe everything that is written on a Bottle pr in a Bucket ..

People understand who have trained that Natural or close to Natural Feeding and supplements is the only way to know if your dog is 100% clean when

All of these COMPANIES start with BIG CLAIMS and deliver nothing but angwish ...
EVERY major BRAND of pet supplements can be different ingredients in each batch in each product run they get a mixture that is contaminated from the last Mix the last run of Ingredients gets contaminated on the process line ...They have no government controls on mixing of ingredients unlike Human products Animal products use the CHEAPEST stuff they can get

You have made some strong claims.
There is a controlling body called APVMA
Each Batch has a Batch number and a Best Before date label
All content in a batch is packed off
Companies don't manufacture more than will be sold - they know what their sales projections indicate will be sold
Different Ingredients in each Batch? - I don't know why anyone would make that claim when talking about formulated Supplements
Are you implying that there is a control for administering Herbs??
Harmful Kidney Cleansers?? Potassium Citrate - Potassium Acetate - Sodium Acetate are all found in body cells.
Every Amino Acid - Mineral and Vitamin are a part of the makeup of body cells and tissue.
Contaminated?? All manufacturing equipment is thoroughly washed out and Water blasted in the case of syrup liquids.
Horse products used to flush Kidney and liver with Sodium Acid Citrate as the only ingredient are not natural to a Canine Fluid structure and Yes!! can be harmful.
It poses the question as to why Greyhound Trainers would use Horse products and those for Farm Animals also.

Do you remember the Pan Pharmaceuticals scandal in 2003?

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I would suggest Kevin is raising the question -- if that could happen with products for human consumption, what hope is there for any stringent controls of products produced for animal consumption??

Look i respect Pete
he can do his thing but when things start getting to a point that no one can understand then it is a concern that we still have people thinking they can derive winners from Pharmaceutical products then some one has to say hey you speak some truth but the bull shit and truth gets clouded when so much info is being pumped out all the time by the same person and we do get frustrated ...

......is that the vast majority have never been "clinically proven".

They make a lot of claims about the benefits. Every week there is a new "super" food......but notice that the label will always say "MAY help with...." or "CAN assist with...." or something similar???

Almost everything you are adding is just producing expensive wee!

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True Mark many don't understand ..but as you know you work it out for each dog at different times of the year and you do adjust your dog's demand throughout the year ..Summer Winter both are different .

Almost all our modern Medicines and potions come from Nature ...all Plant derived products are used today like they have been used for 10s of thousands of years before ..
We would not be where we are today without the assistance of many herbs and plants ..
Here is a fantastic link
http://www.rain-tree.com/book2.htm#.WKpwFRJ971J

Those are fair comments, Mark.
But to be also fair, most herbs, vitamins and such sold commercially sometimes have large amounts of "fillers" and not very much of the active ingredient...so the result of some is not surprising.

A good example of this is Echinacea where the commercial variety can have very little in it.
I have experimented with 100% Echinacea and the results are outstanding.
At the end of the day, each to their own.

Now I am taking up my meditation pose with my hands resting on my knees in the "pinch" position.
Sending out vibes of LOVE.

Thought of the day...
Love is a bit like Herbs and Commercial products, you know...
If you pay for them, it tends to be disjointed with minimal satisfaction.
On the other hand, Herbs, like LOVE, that are picked fresh and free puts a smile on your dial for a very long time.

Peace.

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Ian
May I suggest that Salmonella and E-Coli have been present in some Greyhound Kennels and Racing Stables as well as Restaurants and Take Away Food outlets as well.
I think Kevin is drawing a long bow to suggest that Supplement Companies are less aware of these issues than the Greyhound Trainer. Hygiene and caution with food due to the presence of bacteria is more of an issue with food than Supplements.

Mick I too also have found wonderful journeys in meditation and with a little assistance I can actually envision myself winning a Group race ...lol
The powers of the mind..Mick
I would like to know about your research covering Echinacea Mick if you have some spare time to chat ....I find also this product can deliver so many benefits if given the right dosage and when you get sick pups or a dog it is remarkable how they can pick up very quickly with some trusty Herbs and plants .

Peter, I don't know how salmonella and E-Coli got into this debate. The issue is manufacturing problems as highlighted in the 2003 ABC report....

"NICK GRIMM: The product recall is the result of an investigation which began in January, when an anti-travel sickness tablet, Travacalm, manufactured by Pan for another company, was itself recalled. Faulty batches of the product had caused the hospitalisation of 19 people, while 68 others suffered potentially life threatening adverse reactions.

JOHN MCEWEN: It came to light initially because of problems with a travel sickness remedy in January, and when we investigated that we found there were manufacturing problems. Within a pack, some tablets had no active ingredient, and within the same pack at least one tablet had up to seven times the amount.

And what initially misled us was that the company had manipulated some assay results. Since then we have had our auditors visit the plant on a couple of occasions, and most recently spent nearly a week there, and have come up with multiple quality control and production failures"

With no external audits done, the buyer can only hope that the right ingredients, in the right proportions, are in the animal food supplements.

More than happy to share with everyone here, Kev.
Echinacea works...no ifs, buts, maybes, coulds, shoulds...
Over the last 4 years I've had kennel cough once...my bad, mistimed it.
If you start feeding a generous pinch of ground dried Echinacea stems and leaves in their dinner a month before cough season your dog will not break out with cough.
I have had a few instances where they looked like they were coming down with it but after a few days...gone.
I give it for about 3 mths.
Have you ever had a dog that can't shake off a cough?
I have a friend who had one, tried everything, nothing worked.
I gave them some Echinacea, within 2 days it started to clear, then gone. A pinch morning and night for bad cough.
It works and it works amazingly well.
It is a massive immune booster that will work with any dog who has a weakened immune system.
Any illness which affects the immune system will respond to it.
I've given it to dogs after antibiotics and when a dog seemed down. Morning and night for a few weeks and they have bounced back incredibly well.
Full strength 100% Echinacea is important...commercial watered down tabs won't work as well.
It is cheap as chips if you know where to look.
A lot of horsey people use it and get it from produce stores.
The last lot I bought cost $25 for a whole 1kg bag...lasts ages.

ONE PROBLEM.
Since the ridiculous, understudied rule on Cobalt I have stopped using it on racers 3 days out from racing as no-one knows or guarantees that this, nor any other natural substance containing Cobalt, will tip you over the limit because of accumulation of this and other foods and products.

A proven product and el naturale.

Thanks Mick and this is what it is about sharing the Knowledge to others ..
Now Pete this is research ....

Now many of us have conducted research on out own dogs over the years and that is why all of us say the same things .....

You don't need Commercial Chemical products to achieve the desired results .

Peter i still stand my my claim and i would welcome any Video of Manufacturing plants for animals ..

They has been no real problems because there is no REGULATOR to test these products and Animal PRODUCTS ARE PRODUCED under a totally different system to Humans ...
Human grade is tested ..........ANIMAL GRADE IS NOT TESTED .. Each batch can be different to the last and there is no control of Contamination ..

Cheers Jack.

Kevin
Sorry Trainers ALL don't say the same thing
There is a majority that choose to feed supplements to Greyhounds Show dogs and Pets.
Greyhound trainers who choose not to are in minority - How do I know?? because I deal with Trainers daily as well as other Produce stores.
The example demonstrated above is one of a few rare instances
The Sales for Herbs for example from outlets like Ebay is uncontrolled. No inspections on packing from backyard sellers.
When targeting professional businesses demonstrate the full picture not an example from 15 years ago and hold it up as a reflection of an Industry - In much the same way the Greyhound Live Baiting was targeted at the Industry not a minority group.

Cancer is an acid i.e. lactic acid, which is a waste product of the fungus and mold and lives in environment that has low concentration of oxygen. If we bring high concentration of oxygen molecules to the cancer cells they will die.

Everyone will strongly resist the idea that something so simple and cheap such as sodium bicarbonate (Baking Soda) can surpass the most expensive pharmaceutical drugs. There are compelling evidence that are supporting the multitude of theories that suggest that sodium bicarbonate should be the primary and universal medicament for a wide range of diseases, including diabetes and cancer, also all therapists and medical professionals should include it in the medical treatment.

When it comes to sodium bicarbonate, we must say that it is well understood and studied substance. It is widely used for decades, even by oncologists. Sodium bicarbonate must be administered routinely in order to prevent from damaging the kidneys from toxicity ofchemotherapy and radiation.

Worldwide millions of people consume bicarbonate ions with the drinking water with purpose of prevention or treating of clinical acidosis as well as in a variety of other conditions, in clinics, hospitals or emergency departments. Every daythat helps to be saved countless lives. When baking soda is combined with other basic and strong natural substances like iodine and magnesium chloride, we have a trinity of medical super heroes.

The problem with acidic pH value ​​(relative lack of bicarbonate ions) is a big part of the human physiology. Every biochemical reactions are sensitive to the pH value because the enzymes are very sensitive to this balance.

Very important role in maintaining a favorable pH value in our body plays our diet. A large part of the modern diet results in a decrease of the pH value towards acidic. The imbalance of the pH value interferes with cellular activities and functions, especially if the pH value continues to decrease. Very high acidic pH value leads to deterioration of the cells, which at the end leads to serious health problems, such as gastritis, diabetes, osteoporosis, cardiovascular diseasesand cancer. The fact that biological life has better function in a non-acidic (alkaline) environment clearly supports the usefulness of baking soda.

Jack yes i remember seeing that post Jack so maybe a new one on this page will help encourage people to stop feeding strong harsh chemicals as Kidney flushes ..

Carole Brown has also been on this for years and lets say on an average Carole's old man would of seen and treated thousands of dogs over the years and they have seen the results from start to finish .

Pete you spoke about Des Fagan and maybe ask him what results he has gathered over the years in regards to kidney flushes and treatments ..

Many Years ago i gained interest after listening to a well known trainer Called Rob Cunningham and he also followed these same principles and DETOXING new dogs into the kennels would take weeks and he would explain just how toxic a dog's insides would become after months of toxic ingredients being forced down a greyhounds throat by Trainers who believed in winners come in a containers of products .

It was then that i started adjusting my own training methods and now i believe i have the correct balance to maintain a dog racing over months and years instead of weeks and months ...

I also believe once a dog is race fit then if you feed the right stuff then you can back a dog up days apart but there is still many factors to take into account and as i said EVERY DOG IS totally different .

Pete still i ask you for video proof of the manufacturing processes and thats all i ask for ..

I will be putting up a POLL on this thread to show you PETE .....

Lets see who sits on Jack O side and lets see who supports you Peter ..

Call it a blind poll ..

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