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bloating in dogs

Tony Short
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27 Apr 2018 23:58


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Was asked the question from a friend as to what can cause bloating in her dog, could it be something in its diet,maybe someone on the forum has some idea.



Tom Rees
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28 Apr 2018 04:58


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Bloating can occur feeding to soon after working dogs



Jeanette Spruyt
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28 Apr 2018 10:28


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Called "the mother of all emergencies,"
untreated gastric dilatation and volvulus (GDV) can be fatal to a dog within hours.
Bloat happens when gas or food stretch a dog's stomach.
GDV happens when the distended stomach rotates, trapping the gas inside, and blocking off the stomach's blood supply.

Feeding too quickly before/after exercise can result in bloat due to the fact that running in vigorous exercise can often result in swallowing large pockets of air which contribute to gas build up in the dog's stomach.

There are quite a few theories on bloat, size of meal, increasing meal size greatly/rapidly, content of meal especially abnormal amounts of fat, powders added on top of kibble, water(dampening the kibble) being added to high grain kibbles, gulping of food and large pockets of air at the same time, and gulping of their water/pockets of air supply around their mealtime.

Much like human beings a dogs stomach resembles something like a balloon. While for humans over eating and eating too quickly can result in bloating and gas as well as an uncomfortable feeling generally humans are able to recover quickly with minimal illness. Dogs, however, are not so fortunate.

I have read that there is no definitive data as to why bloat occurs, to me it just comes down to respect for the dog's stomach. And as always the case - know your dog and keep to a routine as much as possible, and don't try and make up/go overboard/get too fancy for food times in anyway.

There was a story about dogs in the USA that worked for the military, and they actually developed an operation, something like stitching some of the stomach to the top, so it couldn't turn.
They were sick of losing their great dogs to bloat.
Now why was it so prevalent, I don't think they went into that, not from the part of the story that I viewed anyway. So obviously these dogs were active with their human co-workers, and what access to food did they have, did they have to constantly reward the dogs?
Anyway, if you are asking about a greyhounds' stomach, well we all know how fast paced they are,
so they need alot of respect -
and also because bloat is more common in deep chested, large breeds.

Generally I believe that there is not much more that you can do.
Obviously if you are in doubt in anyway with information supplied, always seek your vet's advice.

As it is not called "the mother of all emergencies," for nothing.





Jeanette Spruyt
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28 Apr 2018 10:51


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I also knew someone quite some time ago, that was vigilant in the dog not gulping air via transport (car or trailer) , e.g. window open too much, this was on the way to the dog having to run.
Food for thought, just thought about it after mentioning gulping air, they never said why, just made a point of the dog not been in the position to take on the air speed basically -not said in those words but that was the gist of it.



Jeanette Spruyt
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28 Apr 2018 11:59


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p.s. the high grain kibble was mentioned as a possible issue as when it is dampened with water, it is like a fermenting process that is going on inside.
n.b the excessive fat content is definitely an issue with dogs and pancreatitus - high fat food - garbage scraps.
In conversation with a vet nurse, we were talking about teeth and got on to marrow bones, she said if feeding marrow bones, ask the butcher to take out the marrow as this is an issue with pancreatitus.
Just interesting.


Tony Short
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28 Apr 2018 21:28


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Thanks Tom


Tony Short
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28 Apr 2018 21:30


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Thanks Jeanette



Peter Bryce
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30 Apr 2018 03:59


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Tony tell him to read about and try Probiotics


Mickey McLennan
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05 May 2018 08:16


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Bloating/torsion occurs in the majority of deep chested breeds. It has been proven that feeding high off the ground, not exercising after feeding and the myriad of ideas that have been around for years do not make a single bit of difference if the dog decides to bloat. For those that do not know, bloat/torsion is a hereditary condition, thankfully not as prevalent in greyhounds as in other breeds but it does occur. These days a gastropexy is done on them if operated on to stop it from happening again though it is not 100% guaranteed. Recently three genes have been found as contributing to the problem but these are not all the genes causing the problem. It is also one of the most terrible ways that an animal or human can die and for me personally I have never nor would breed from any dog that has bloated. Tony, your friend should always keep Buscopan and DeGas in a cupboard and give 1 or 2 tabs of both immediately, depending on how quickly she catches the dog starting to bloat. It also buys time for the vet visit. If caught early and the gut is not twisted both of these products can stop the bloat from continuing. Also bloat is more common in some age groups, spring and autumn. Hope this helps your friend.



Jeanette Spruyt
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06 May 2018 00:01


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Qu."Ever seen your dog swallow a piece of food whole, or eat something that would make you sick? Heres a break-down on how they digest their food.

Mouth/teeth
Human jaw- can move up and down side to side and in a rounded motion. Teeth are designed for grinding having a flatter surface.

Dog jaw- can only move up and down. The teeth are designed to crush dense objects, having a three root system and are solid and sharp.

Saliva
Human- used for breaking down food and lubricating digestion.

Dog- also used for lubricating food but they lack the enzymes to break down food. Instead their saliva contains enzymes that kill off bacteria. If you've ever seen your dog eat something old and gross and not get sick? Now you know why.

Oesophagus
Humans- helps keep food from entering the wind pipe and designed for food to stay in our stomachs

Dogs- Good gag reflex. Even though dogs cannot chew up their food before it goes down the throat, it must still be the right size and amount to fit. If not, the dog simply throws up! Your dog is not sick. It's just his body telling him to try again.

Stomach
Humans- food takes about one hour to move through our stomach, but depending on the amount and complexity sometimes longer.

Dogs- this is where most of their ability to break down foods take place. Their stomach is more acidic so it can break down large pieces of meat and bone. Food is kept in the stomach for a longer period of time, allowing the acid to break down animal proteins, bones, and fats. This explains why dogs can live with being fed only once or twice a day. They feel full longer because the food remains in their stomach longer.

Intestines
Humans- where absorption of food takes place, the human intestinal tract is a lot longer than a dogs and therefore the body has more time to absorb nutrients from more complex foods such as plant and grain based foods.

Dogs-Digestive tract is a lot smaller. This means the dogs have less time to absorb nutrients from their food. This is why dogs do better on foods that are easily broken down such as meats bones and organs. But can struggle on complex foods such as plants and grains. This also means that bacteria have less time to multiply and cause problems. Ever seen your dog eat poop? Plant based nutrients found in poo have been pre-digested making it a very convenient meal for our canine friend."end of qu.



Jeanette Spruyt
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06 May 2018 00:44


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Just food for thought.
Had a neighbour that had hunting dogs, really large breed not greyhounds - never seen the dogs, he would just tell me about them, that was when he used to have them interstate.
They had a remedy for bloat in their dogs, it was off yogurt- had to be off.
But in saying that, this remark links to a few things in this thread.
Obviously, someone may see a connection with the yogurt with Peter's response - to read about and try Probiotics (a product that he sells).
Someone may see a connection with what Mickey has replied with - depending on how quickly it is caught. I would add here and recognised (e.g. hunting dog situation they must have known the causes and the signs, it must of been something that was common with the dog and what it was doing/created with man).
There may also be a connection between once again the larger breeds - food not helping the situation, EXERCISE - e,.g. the dogs in the military, the hunting dogs, the racing dog.
The example of the hunting dog brings in another scenario where the breed is vulnerable.
I have heard that feeding the dog high off the ground has been dispelled.
All I know is that I highly respect my dogs' stomachs regardless of the bloat being said to be hereditary, that does not give a safeguard or an excuse to not being careful, because when would it appear and for argument sake it could be sitting in each dog - colour of your dog is hereditary, the whole dog is hereditary. Mother nature controls the genes your dog gets, it does not control causes that we may create.
I am only saying this as I don't want someone to get complacent and think that exercising after feeding is a great idea.
As expressed before, I have read that there is no definitive data as to why bloat occurs - that to me says, do the best that you can - with what you have heard about that is real. Because no one wants bloat in their dogs life, as it is a condition that can cruelly end your dog's life.
Maybe hereditary reasons are for the unexplained bloat?
Who knows, bloat is a destructive/deathly situation once it takes it grip, and one that is hard for someone to try and fathom afterwards.
It doesn't seem to be discussed alot, so anyone that does comment on it - may just help someone else.
And I have said know your dog, I have one dog that will eat her poop for example - do I watch her more?.
Good and important question to ask - Does everyone know the symptons of bloat?


Mickey McLennan
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06 May 2018 05:32


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Tom Rees wrote:

Bloating can occur feeding to soon after working dogs

If it is predetermined that the dog will bloat late feeding after work will help somewhat. I have seen dogs bloat on an empty stomach, before work, after, with yoghurt and probiotics and without, fed up, fed down etc. To the expert who disagrees with what Jeanette and myself have said, do yourself a favour and start reading about bloat/torsion. Just because you have never had it only means that you have been very lucky or that the bloodline does not carry those genes which cause it to happen. 3 genes have only recently been linked to it in the states and over time hopefully for all breeds it can be eradicated.

Called in the old books 'drum belly' the symptoms are belly expanded and tight from end of ribcage to pelvis, skin stretched tightly and if tapped the belly sounds hollow. Salivating, restless and can not get comfortable with the roached up. When checking gum colour it is much paler, and in torsion gums are white/purple from shock and pain and you will find the dog trying to vomit but can't. Also there will be froth lying in the kennel around the dog. Buscupan and DeGas will work in bloat only if in the very early stages, in torsion nothing except veterinary intervention will save the dog. All service dogs have a gastropexy when young as a matter of course.


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