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breeding restrictions

Michael Barry
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12 May 2018 07:23


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looks like we are to have breeding restrictions upon us soon
here in vic,
numbers to be capped at around 600 litters PA and it looks like this number will be achieved 2017/2018

its all about keeping numbers under control , as breeding has really picked up here in the past 18 months



Steven Martin
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12 May 2018 08:44


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Michael Barry wrote:

as breeding has really picked up here in the past 18 months

Sorry Mick. That's rubbish mate.

The yearly average (give & take a little), for litters being bred between the years of 2005 / 2014 in the State of Victoria has been around the "1000" mark.

Last year Victoria didn't even bred half that figure.




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12 May 2018 08:58


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steven martin wrote:

Michael Barry wrote:

as breeding has really picked up here in the past 18 months

Sorry Mick. That's rubbish mate.

The yearly average (give & take a little), for litters being bred between the years of 2005 / 2014 in the State of Victoria has been around the "1000" mark.

Last year Victoria didn't even bred half that figure.


Steve, the info is courtesy of the may greyhound monthly which Grv put out page 21 ,
the pick up in breeding is there for everyone to see its been improving now for 18 months , of course coming off a low base

61 litters born march 1 to april 15 66 litters the previous month

should these numbers continue , its going to be above the GRV target of 600 litters hence the breeding restrictions on the cards


Darren Langley
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12 May 2018 09:11


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steven martin wrote:

Michael Barry wrote:

as breeding has really picked up here in the past 18 months

Sorry Mick. That's rubbish mate.

The yearly average (give & take a little), for litters being bred between the years of 2005 / 2014 in the State of Victoria has been around the "1000" mark.

Last year Victoria didn't even bred half that figure.

Not sure why you keep referring to 2005 / 2014 figures? We all know the breeeding game was stopped in its tracks. Those figures mean f#ck all now.

There's no doubt breeding has picked up over the past 12 odd months in Victoria and imo will keep picking up over the coming years.





Steven Martin
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12 May 2018 09:25


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Darren Langley wrote:

Not sure why you keep referring to 2005 / 2014 figures?


It was used as a comparison Darren so it means F#%k1ng everything in regards to my point.
No doubt breeding has picked up over the last 6 months when comparing them to 2017 figure, but last 12 months...well your simply guessing once again Darren.



Steven Martin
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12 May 2018 09:49


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Michael Barry wrote:

its been improving now for 18 months

Cheers mate I just read it...but once again the statement you make of "breeding has been improving now for 18 months" is totally wrong. Last 6 months YES I would agree but 18 or even 12 ( as Ripley's has suggested) false.

Yes, there has been an improvement (on last year)....& according to my calculations, 600 litters for the financial year in the state of Victoria would be a reasonable estimate at this stage.

NSW is seeing a similar result as VIC (slightly up on last years Stately totals).

The other States not much better with Queensland fairing the worse & still going backwards. That State has a major problem looming with greyhound numbers in the next 12 to 18 months.


Darren Langley
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steven martin wrote:

Darren Langley wrote:

Not sure why you keep referring to 2005 / 2014 figures?


It was used as a comparison Darren so it means F#%k1ng everything in regards to my point.
No doubt breeding has picked up over the last 6 months when comparing them to 2017 figure, but last 12 months...well your simply guessing once again Darren.

Fair chance if breeding has pick over the last 6 months the overall figures for the past 12 months has to be higher.

Who cares what the breeding figures were in 2005 to 2014 they mean jack shit in today's terms. It was not that long ago we all thought we were going to close. I think
the figures from 2017 and forward is what we'll really matters.

At the end of the day as long as breeding numbers keep rising our sport should one day be great again.




Steven Martin
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12 May 2018 10:35


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Darren Langley wrote:

Fair chance if breeding has pick over the last 6 months the overall figures for the past 12 months has to be higher.

Who cares what the breeding figures were in 2005 to 2014 they mean jack shit in today's terms. It was not that long ago we all thought we were going to close. I think
the figures from 2017 and forward is what we'll really matters.

At the end of the day as long as breeding numbers keep rising our sport should one day be great again.

You're not listening Darren.


Bruce Teague
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Darren,

Any restriction on breeding numbers is a restraint of trade. To be lawful it has to be based on some sort of criteria which themselves are sensible and lawful. No such criteria exist.

Euthanasia numbers, even if correct (usually they are not), cannot be such a justification as euthanasia is a legal function in NSW law. Any breaches of euthanasia laws apply to the individual, not to the industry.

Since many breeding progeny are destined for interstate, it could also constitute a breach of free interstate trade laws (eg think where all PAW youngsters go).

No such restrictions apply to horses, other dogs or cats, which are broadly comparable commercial activities, therefore it is discriminatory to apply them to greyhounds. That is challengeable, too.

Such rules cannot be justified on the basis of a shortaqe of cash to support prize money as that is conjectural and is a derived and unrelated effect.

It is also illogical in that GRNSW has just finished running surveys to find out how best to stimulate breeding. Was that a different department?

If GRNSW wants to close tracks or reduce race numbers that is a different story. It has that power, at least at first glance. It would also have to wear the objections to a forced expulsion of legitimate economic activity to neighbouring states and to reduced tax income. It would also impact on firms providing services to the greyhound industry. No doubt it would also involve a reduction in staff and expenses at GRNSW and GWIC?

It seems that GRNSW has exceeded its power as well as good sense. Call the bluff.

PS Puppy bonds may well be likewise.




Trevor John Rhodes
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15 May 2018 08:00


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GA will issue passports to brood bitches to overcome that restraint of trade and laws of the land stuff.


Bruce Teague
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Trevor John Rhodes wrote:

GA will issue passports to brood bitches to overcome that restraint of trade and laws of the land stuff.

No mate, passports are not for domestic use and that would just be a device to circumvent basic rights and would therefore be equally as challengeable.

Judges always look at the intent of the law as well as the language. In part, that's why Ministers who introduce a new law in Parliament always provide a preamble to outline what they are putting up and why.

Besides, it's not GA that applies the rules - it's the individual states. GA just prepares the bullets but it has no power to use them. Each state goes home after the meeting and then makes up its mind to apply them or not. That procedure is even a specific rule of GA itself.

Call the bluff. Nothing is above the laws of the land.


Bruce Teague
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Trevor,

Let me add another point.

Monthly limits on sires are presumably based on sensible veterinary/scientific evidence. However, this is an age-old rule which may or may not be valid in today's circumstances - not least the use of AI and frozen straws.

Like many other rules, it is just a number so it should always be revisited on a systematic basis.

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