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Do you have questions regarding the health of your greyhound? Do you need tips what you should feed your dog?
Or do you need advice in curing an injury?

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Simon Rimmer
Australia
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06 Aug 2018 11:01


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Hello I'm after some knowledge from other trainers as I'm struggling to get that win still I've had a couple of places I know I they are getting the right fitness but I can't seem to get there best out of them.
One week they will run a good 2nd or 4th next week they will come last.please tell me if I'm feeding wrong as I need to know what I'm doing wrong.
Morning.
50grams kibble (advance active)
1 cup of powder skim milk add water.
Evening.
500grams raw meat 10% kanga meat already added.
100grams kibbles.
Hand full of vegetables boiled.
Exercise.
Morning 1km walking machine and a run around yard for half hour.
Evening 2km walking machine and half hour around yard.
Exercise is done before dinner.
Race day feed.
Morning.
Scrambled eggs with 1 cup pasta.



Jason Hay
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06 Aug 2018 11:51


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Just some things I use that are different porridge and honey vegemite toast yoghurt.for brekky dinner sardines in oil with a bone animal fat vege oil



Malcolm Smart
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06 Aug 2018 12:06


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if they are maintaining there weight there diet looks alright, how about MM (muscle man) or vet , are you getting them checked to make sure there are no niggling injuries..??


Carole Brown
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06 Aug 2018 19:39


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What are their blood readings like, and what, if any, electrolytes/vitamins/flushers do you use ? Some of these things can adversely affect their form, and also a possible infection, such as tonsillitis, which is fairly common. Mal is right about finding a very good muscleman too, as you have to regularly keep on top of any problems when they are racing.


Simon Rimmer
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06 Aug 2018 20:26


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I have a vet I use at Bringelly named Rob but I don't have MM. With bloods I can get the vet to do that. Also I haven't used any extras yet which extras should I be using also for there coats what should I be using so they have a good coat and not a flaky one thanks for all replies


Carole Brown
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06 Aug 2018 20:58


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Simon, there are a lot of different things people use, but some you should avoid using, as they can dehydrate a dog, and adversely affect its race form. If you are just talking about one particular dog, and not the others that you train, I would get a full blood test done at the vet and see if there is any problem there to start with. He could possibly be anaemic, dehydrated, have an infection, have kidney or liver problems. etc., so the blood test will definitely help as a starting point. Make sure that the vet you use is experienced in greyhounds, their blood readings, and checking, as pet vets aren't. His haemoglobin should ideally be around 19.5-20, and his haematocrit (PCV) ideally 58-60, so if they are not, he has a problem here to start with.



Richard Gray
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06 Aug 2018 21:02


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Simon, sardines are a terrific source of omega 3 which in turn is great for your dogs coat. Next time you are shopping, pick up a few tins (in oil) and add some to the nightly dinner. You will (should) notice a difference within a few weeks.(and listen to Carole)
Cheers.



Carole Brown
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06 Aug 2018 21:12


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Simon, you are also better off finding somewhere where he can really free gallop and stretch out safely, as running around a backyard isn't the same and probably nowhere near enough exercise.
To use electrolytes after exercise, make sure that you use one that doesn't contain sodium citrate, or sodium and citrate listed separately, as this is a diuretic, which will leave your dog dehydrated. Vytrate is a popular one to use, and doesn't contain SC.
People use cod liver oil, flaxseed/linseed oil for the coat, among other oils/fats, and Jack Ogilvie, a member on here, makes a product called black tar, which many people use and are really happy with it. Hope this helps, and by the way, we used to live in Mount Pritchard for a while. Small world ! Good luck.


Simon Rimmer
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06 Aug 2018 21:26


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Thanks Carole and everyone helping with answers I'll get on to it today



Mark Schlegel
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07 Aug 2018 01:03


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Richard Gray wrote:

Simon, sardines are a terrific source of omega 3 which in turn is great for your dogs coat. Next time you are shopping, pick up a few tins (in oil) and add some to the nightly dinner. You will (should) notice a difference within a few weeks.(and listen to Carole)
Cheers.


High in Cobalt too......so be prepared for an accidental positive if you feed sardines regularly or on race day.



Mark Schlegel
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07 Aug 2018 01:17


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simon rimmer wrote:

Hello I'm after some knowledge from other trainers as I'm struggling to get that win still I've had a couple of places I know I they are getting the right fitness but I can't seem to get there best out of them.
One week they will run a good 2nd or 4th next week they will come last.please tell me if I'm feeding wrong as I need to know what I'm doing wrong.
Morning.
50grams kibble (advance active)
1 cup of powder skim milk add water.
Evening.
500grams raw meat 10% kanga meat already added.
100grams kibbles.
Hand full of vegetables boiled.
Exercise.
Morning 1km walking machine and a run around yard for half hour.
Evening 2km walking machine and half hour around yard.
Exercise is done before dinner.
Race day feed.
Morning.
Scrambled eggs with 1 cup pasta.


Any additives at all???

Cos you're not going to be getting anywhere near the correct amount of vitamins and minerals for a racing dog from some boiled vegies and kibble (there is no such thing as a "complete" food......no matter what the packaging might try to tell you).
Vegies are a waste of time and effort IMO. Even boiled they will go largely through the dog undigested. Plenty of trainers will disagree with me though.

Try adding Black Tar or Stockgain on alternate days and Kohnkes Gold every other day.
Don't add the same thing every day as you risk overdosing and/or getting an accumulation of certain minerals/vitamins......and certain vitamins/minerals "clash" and will cancel each other out to some degree.

Greyhounds get energy from fat (primarily)....so eggs and pasta on their own aren't much good for a race day snack. Again, just my opinion.

They should be fed minimum 6 hours before they race and I would give a small amount of red meat with the eggs and pasta.
It should be a small meal. A handful in total.

As Carole mentioned, diuretics are a BAD idea! Give them good old milk and water after a run. They will pull up a lot better.


Simon Rimmer
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07 Aug 2018 08:05


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Thanks I didn't know they sardines were high in cobalt


Andrew Paraskevas
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07 Aug 2018 08:35


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simon rimmer wrote:

Thanks I didn't know they sardines were high in cobalt

They aren't. GRV released a statement recently that suggested they could cause a rise in arsenic levels in a greyhound, not cobalt levels.


Andrew Paraskevas
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Mark Schlegel
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07 Aug 2018 09:31


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Andrew Paraskevas wrote:

simon rimmer wrote:

Thanks I didn't know they sardines were high in cobalt

They aren't. GRV released a statement recently that suggested they could cause a rise in arsenic levels in a greyhound, not cobalt levels.


Ooops......I knew it was one or the other....



Daryl Barrett
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07 Aug 2018 09:38


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Hi Simon,you haven't said how much you're dog's weigh,this very important in ascertaining how much to feed,you can't feed a 33kg greyhound the same amount of meat, kibble etc as a dog who weighs 26-28kg,i am a great believer in some form of vitamins & mineral additives,electrolytes,calcium dcp ( not calcium carbonate,it isn't balanced with phosphorus) etc,try to get a hold of John Khonke's books,fact sheep's on greyhound feeding & nutrition,these are invaluable to learn from,& continue to ask plenty of questions from other trainer's as well,you never stop learning in this game mate,also don't forget to worm you're dog's out regularly,no good feeding quality food if the dog's not getting the full benefit from it.Feeding greyhound's is about balancing the protein,Carb's,fat,fibre & neccesary additives that will benefit you're dog's.Good Luck mate,i am sure that elusive first win isn't far off! (One last bit of advice,you have very realistic about a dog's ability as well,unfortunately,some just don't measure up,but in time you will know which do & which wont).


Simon Rimmer
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07 Aug 2018 09:41


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OK thanks



Nathan Bendeich
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07 Aug 2018 10:39


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simon rimmer wrote:

Hello I'm after some knowledge from other trainers as I'm struggling to get that win still I've had a couple of places I know I they are getting the right fitness but I can't seem to get there best out of them.
One week they will run a good 2nd or 4th next week they will come last.please tell me if I'm feeding wrong as I need to know what I'm doing wrong.
Morning.
50grams kibble (advance active)
1 cup of powder skim milk add water.
Evening.
500grams raw meat 10% kanga meat already added.
100grams kibbles.
Hand full of vegetables boiled.
Exercise.
Morning 1km walking machine and a run around yard for half hour.
Evening 2km walking machine and half hour around yard.
Exercise is done before dinner.
Race day feed.
Morning.
Scrambled eggs with 1 cup pasta.

Hi Simon
Firstly good luck for future and well done for being honest and asking !
It's the only way of learning (possibly? , you decide what you keep and throw away )
First thing I'm only new myself with a couple of race starts and no wins yet either
So I shouldn't really comment as experience is what I lack greatly , but everyone has an opinion and who knows what could help you .
I've used Advance and no longer rate it , it's ok but it's a middle of the road kibble
Even though it's priced higher end , it contains meats in it that actually aren't advertised on it ! E.g. It's says chicken bag , but actually on the back it has lamb beef and any other thing that might make its way into the bag , trust me look at ingredients on the back , all cheaper bags contain all the meats that are possible !
I like MFM (meals for muts) Duck and turkey it's their best bag (contains sweet potatoe,which is the highest energy vegetable you can get !) and I blend it with Canidae (salmon) both grain free , it assist with inflamed muscles !
And both only contain what meats are advertised on the front of the bag !
A lot of Poeple will say it's only filler who cares or top trainers use bread only
I believe those same dogs would run on meat pies , me or you do not have grp or city performing greyhounds
Again up too you and everyone's own preference
Just passing on what I've noticed in the difference of my greyhounds looks and behavior from changing kibbles
Your milk skim and meat kanga is obviously very lean on fat content
Fat is energy
Full fat or normal powdered milk e.g. io milktech lamb milk replacer and chicken mince added to meat content could be a different option also for morning meal and main meal meat content.
I used to try all the energy or chemical replacements and vegetables
Now I just use black tar and calci + by jack with cod liver oil and an egg every 2nd night
And coconut water for rehydration after runs or over their meals
These are natural options and fast or quick to prepare
I know trainers who don't run their race dogs all week , just lead walk in between races
I know some who say run every day
There is no right or wrong , up to how the dog responds
At present you do 18 km walking
3 hours running a week on top of the race
All up in looking and just having a guess , you might have a diet low on energy and a pretty good work load to say the least !
I might be wrong but consistency is def not happening for a reason ......
I'd up the energy intake and minimize the work load so it becomes quality work not volume work !
E.g. Walk 10-15 min daily ,(the first 2 days after race being most important)then 3 days after or mid week to your next race , you could do a 300mtr straight drag lure run or a hard free gallop .
They will rip in more then doing it daily and be more on their toes and ready to go,thus (fingers crossed) could give you and them a better chance at performing better or more consistently!
Remember , they are racing , not pretraining , they are fit already

Lastly you need to know your greyhound inside and out
Starts with bloods and finishes with blood !
You should also have a greyhound vet check them every week !
Every week !
If you would like me to set you up with a greyhound vet let me know and I will do it
They are both based at Richmond area
Garry carter and Matt kwong are the only guys you need to have checking or operating on your dogs !
And you'll need a laser also of some kind or someone who can help you in this area
But loading your dogs and driving to receive this type of treatment will become a tedious exercise and you are better off getting one yourself !
Hope some of this helps
Again I'm new myself , throw away what you don't like
Good luck mate in future , great sport !


Darren Johnstone
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07 Aug 2018 12:17


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simon rimmer wrote:

I have a vet I use at Bringelly named Rob but I don't have MM. With bloods I can get the vet to do that. Also I haven't used any extras yet which extras should I be using also for there coats what should I be using so they have a good coat and not a flaky one thanks for all replies

I am a believer in using Livermol for their coats. I also give a small portion of sardines every second day.


Carole Brown
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07 Aug 2018 14:13


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Darren, if you use Livamol too close to a race, you may get a positive to cobalt. I know of several people who have been caught out.

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