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Brian Loughnane Ireland (Verified User) Posts 2510 Dogs 106 / Races 6 22 Jun 2019 17:45
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I notice reading through some of the threads their is a lot of negative post regarding our sport and it seems to be the same people on various topics regarding certain people or certain trainers or certain dogs I find this terrible damaging with zero consequences taken into account of what image is been painted of our sport to the general public, This forum is been constantly monitored by the antis who are trying to close down Greyhound racing I feel their is urgent need for Greyhound data to monitor these posts more carefully and maybe add a new feature to the forum that would allow for say 10 reports post disappears until reviewed by data team members it's a sad truth but some of our own guys are doing a better job of destroying our sports name than the antis themselves and we are all sopose to be on the same side but that is not the case my opinion is if their is a problem with in our sport it should be left to our governing body and the individual involved once it goes past that it's food for the antis which = bad publicity which equals more rules and regulations more costs and basically more headaches for everyone! We all just need to be more aware and think before we post!
Kevin Wright Australia (Verified User) Posts 5708 Dogs 1 / Races 1 22 Jun 2019 20:30
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Sorry I dont agree Brian In Australia, we sometimes hear politicians say something like, "We censor books and movies. Why should the internet be any different?" If you stop and think about it, it's not a difficult question to answer. The internet is fundamentally different. It's not just an electric newspaper or a virtual newsagent. It's huge. It's dynamic. It's global. Most importantly, it's about ordinary people communicating.
On the internet, the authors and publishers of the content are you and I. Everybody who has ever done so much as comment on a blog is an author, publisher and worldwide distributor of content.
The internet "levels the playing field". It makes getting together, finding like minded people It's within the reach of ordinary People to start a powerful political movement. To some governments and organisations, this is a scary thing .
...I do not and will never not agree will CENSORSHIP ...
If you want Censorship best go live in China. North Korea or Dubai ...These are just 3 of the Countries of many who Censor the internet ...
Brian Loughnane Ireland (Verified User) Posts 2510 Dogs 106 / Races 6 22 Jun 2019 23:51
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That's all fine Kevin but when you have antis trying to close our sport down and are own guys helping them what do you do...the forum already has a report button and when a certain post is reported it's very often removed so what I've suggested is technically in place only not as effective as what I've suggested' 10 reports and the post is automatically removed for review the 10 reports is still giving people a option they don't have to press the report button if they don't want to so technically it's not any different than what it is already!
Kevin Wright Australia (Verified User) Posts 5708 Dogs 1 / Races 1 23 Jun 2019 02:40
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Brian Loughnane wrote:
That's all fine Kevin but when you have antis trying to close our sport down and are own guys helping them what do you do...the forum already has a report button and when a certain post is reported it's very often removed so what I've suggested is technically in place only not as effective as what I've suggested' 10 reports and the post is automatically removed for review the 10 reports is still giving people a option they don't have to press the report button if they don't want to so technically it's not any different than what it is already!
The forum looks after itself like all good forums should Some agree some don't . REPORT THE POST if it is a problem ...
Forums must also be focused on authentic, open ended questions or problems in order to encourage deeper learning.
The Anti's do and say what they want regardless of the truth but isn't it great to have no Skeletons in the Closet any more brian
Dont worry about the risk of going off topic in online discussions. Sometimes when you go off topic that actually improves your learning because youre making connections between what youre actually talking about and other things that you know..
PS Greyhound Data has Volunteer Moderators and admins ...What makes Data great is that nothing is posted by FAKE people its all added by people like you and me Brian .. I still fail to see any threads or posts supporting the ANTI cause so please tell me what posts you are referring too ....
Brian Loughnane Ireland (Verified User) Posts 2510 Dogs 106 / Races 6 23 Jun 2019 12:45
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Kevin im not going to hilight exactly what post im talking about that would have me fall into that same circle im urging people to get out of if you don't actually know what posts I'm talking about you haven't been clued into this forum for a very long time...and any bad publicity regarding our sport is good publicity for the antis what side are we on... speaking your views is our given right and yes I understand the whole freedom of speech crap but we are in a sport right now that's struggling a sport that is only rightly understood by the very people who are hands on involved in it can you honestly tell me is ok to write a lot of false heresay half heard rubbish about certain situations that the majority of people don't know all the facts about...already greyhound racing is banned in Florida! And Australia UK Ireland are all struggling when is enough, next Wednesday host a program hilighting all the negatives about Greyhound racing tell me Kevin when is the last time you seen a program about the positive side of Greyhound racing... The last thing Greyhound racing needs right now is guys from are own side giving the antis a helping hand destroy our sport...
Kevin Wright Australia (Verified User) Posts 5708 Dogs 1 / Races 1 23 Jun 2019 18:11
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Brian Loughnane wrote:
Kevin im not going to hilight exactly what post im talking about that would have me fall into that same circle im urging people to get out of if you don't actually know what posts I'm talking about you haven't been clued into this forum for a very long time...and any bad publicity regarding our sport is good publicity for the antis what side are we on... speaking your views is our given right and yes I understand the whole freedom of speech crap but we are in a sport right now that's struggling a sport that is only rightly understood by the very people who are hands on involved in it can you honestly tell me is ok to write a lot of false heresay half heard rubbish about certain situations that the majority of people don't know all the facts about...already greyhound racing is banned in Florida! And Australia UK Ireland are all struggling when is enough, next Wednesday host a program hilighting all the negatives about Greyhound racing tell me Kevin when is the last time you seen a program about the positive side of Greyhound racing... The last thing Greyhound racing needs right now is guys from are own side giving the antis a helping hand destroy our sport...
Brian ... Quote You don't actually know what posts I'm talking about you haven't been clued into this forum for a very long time... Brian i could say the same thing to you i am not a mind reader .
I think you are a few years behind in regards to what the Anti's do or say or post its 2019 its all out there
Who cares what they say and do Brian maybe do the right thing and then there is nothing to hide.
Brian this forum is public for a reason and its not like you Poms or Irish come onto this forum to debate anyone ... The Aussies do most of the posting ....
I repeat if you dont like a post JUST REPORT IT simple Brian
If you are debating a person then give them the facts to counter there statement or post ...
Mate i have a feeling you barking up the wrong tree you seem to be fixated on propaganda when the best way to fight untruth is to fight it with the truth and facts ... Brian you cannot Censor people in a forum otherwise its not a forum .. How boring would it be Brian if everyone agreed with you .
Bernard Mc Reynolds United Kingdom (Verified User) Posts 204 Dogs 0 / Races 0 23 Jun 2019 18:26
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I agree with some of your comments ,brian.But theres somethings i feel stronger about,like bad sires still being advertised,for stud that are not prouducing pups,or very little litters and then being charged for the privlage.no names mentioned but i was fined 140 or 20%of the fee for Nothing ? Surely this is wrong and should be discussed on this forum and also the governing bodies.i think this is a blantent scam and the sires involved should be taken off the SIRE list.
Kevin Wright Australia (Verified User) Posts 5708 Dogs 1 / Races 1 23 Jun 2019 18:41
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bernard mc reynolds wrote:
I agree with some of your comments ,brian.But theres somethings i feel stronger about,like bad sires still being advertised,for stud that are not prouducing pups,or very little litters and then being charged for the privlage.no names mentioned but i was fined 140 or 20%of the fee for Nothing ? Surely this is wrong and should be discussed on this forum and also the governing bodies.i think this is a blantent scam and the sires involved should be taken off the SIRE list.
Ok im lost ...I have No idea what you fellas are on about .
Brian Loughnane Ireland (Verified User) Posts 2510 Dogs 106 / Races 6 23 Jun 2019 19:51
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bernard mc reynolds wrote:
I agree with some of your comments ,brian.But theres somethings i feel stronger about,like bad sires still being advertised,for stud that are not prouducing pups,or very little litters and then being charged for the privlage.no names mentioned but i was fined 140 or 20%of the fee for Nothing ? Surely this is wrong and should be discussed on this forum and also the governing bodies.i think this is a blantent scam and the sires involved should be taken off the SIRE list.
Bernard again that's what the governing body are for have you spoke to any of them regarding this...if it's an Irish dog pm me and I promise I will try help you out...on the other side people are intiltled to advertise their dogs regardless of how good or bad they are and it's up to the breeder wether they use them dogs or not...
Brian Loughnane Ireland (Verified User) Posts 2510 Dogs 106 / Races 6 23 Jun 2019 20:20
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Kevin Wright wrote:
Brian Loughnane wrote:
Kevin im not going to hilight exactly what post im talking about that would have me fall into that same circle im urging people to get out of if you don't actually know what posts I'm talking about you haven't been clued into this forum for a very long time...and any bad publicity regarding our sport is good publicity for the antis what side are we on... speaking your views is our given right and yes I understand the whole freedom of speech crap but we are in a sport right now that's struggling a sport that is only rightly understood by the very people who are hands on involved in it can you honestly tell me is ok to write a lot of false heresay half heard rubbish about certain situations that the majority of people don't know all the facts about...already greyhound racing is banned in Florida! And Australia UK Ireland are all struggling when is enough, next Wednesday host a program hilighting all the negatives about Greyhound racing tell me Kevin when is the last time you seen a program about the positive side of Greyhound racing... The last thing Greyhound racing needs right now is guys from are own side giving the antis a helping hand destroy our sport...
Brian ... Quote You don't actually know what posts I'm talking about you haven't been clued into this forum for a very long time... Brian i could say the same thing to you i am not a mind reader .
I think you are a few years behind in regards to what the Anti's do or say or post its 2019 its all out there
Who cares what they say and do Brian maybe do the right thing and then there is nothing to hide.
Brian this forum is public for a reason and its not like you Poms or Irish come onto this forum to debate anyone ... The Aussies do most of the posting ....
I repeat if you dont like a post JUST REPORT IT simple Brian
If you are debating a person then give them the facts to counter there statement or post ...
Mate i have a feeling you barking up the wrong tree you seem to be fixated on propaganda when the best way to fight untruth is to fight it with the truth and facts ... Brian you cannot Censor people in a forum otherwise its not a forum .. How boring would it be Brian if everyone agreed with you .
Kevin i can assure you one thing im not is years behind on anything...its a pretty easy call fight untruth with truth...it's like this every coin has 3 sides front back and edge 1 side is the antis the other is us and on the edge we have the the antis with in our sport...so 2 sides of the coin want to hear nothing but complain and the other side just want to do the best they can...who do you think gets heard the most...the topic is forum post need monitoring forum post are as we speak been monitored and when you hit the report button it sometime takes days for the post to be removed I'm not suggesting anything that isn't their already only to set up a system the responds quicker...
Brian Loughnane Ireland (Verified User) Posts 2510 Dogs 106 / Races 6 23 Jun 2019 20:31
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And just to explain myself a little bit clearer to you not so long ago their was a topic regarding a certain dog with a fertility problem the dog was a very high profile dog he was born with cryptorchidism which can be common in Greyhounds anyway to get to the point a guy posted on the topic the following...So that's what cocaine does to your dog as well as make him run faster... The dog in question has not one positive against him so what's your reply to that carry-on on a public fourm...and the post was not removed for 4 days...
Kevin Wright Australia (Verified User) Posts 5708 Dogs 1 / Races 1 23 Jun 2019 22:45
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Brian Loughnane wrote:
And just to explain myself a little bit clearer to you not so long ago their was a topic regarding a certain dog with a fertility problem the dog was a very high profile dog he was born with cryptorchidism which can be common in Greyhounds anyway to get to the point a guy posted on the topic the following...So that's what cocaine does to your dog as well as make him run faster... The dog in question has not one positive against him so what's your reply to that carry-on on a public fourm...and the post was not removed for 4 days...
Ok Brian so this post is the post that has got you all hot and bothered ...
Posting something negative or mean-spirited is not illegal or subject to a lawsuit. The question of whether you can be sued for negative comments you post on social media depends on whether your words constitute defamation.
Defamation Defamation involves writing (publishing) or saying something about someone that damages that persons reputation. In addition, the statement must be presented as true but, in fact, be untrue. It also must not be subject to immunity as it might be, for example, in the case of a public figure
Separating your opinion from a statement of verifiable fact is key to defending yourself against defamation (libel). Context is important.
If you post a comment saying, That guy is a loser, you have made a statement that is not verifiable one way or the other. It is simply your opinion that the object of your comment is someone of low social standing.
However, if you post, That man has never held a job, youd better know he has never been employed or you may find yourself on the receiving end of a defamation lawsuit.
I hope that helps
Brian Loughnane Ireland (Verified User) Posts 2510 Dogs 106 / Races 6 24 Jun 2019 06:55
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Defamation what in gods name are you on about...you wrote on a previous comment the following...I still fail to see any threads or posts supporting the ANTI cause so please tell me what posts you are referring too... because you are unaware or maybe dont understand whats going on I simply gave you a mere example one of many to be honest...
Kevin Wright Australia (Verified User) Posts 5708 Dogs 1 / Races 1 24 Jun 2019 07:50
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Brian.I could not leave without one Irish Joke
What is black and blue and found floating up sidedown in the Irish sea?
Someone who's tells a stupid Irish joke
Cheers
Tony Gallagher Australia (Team Member) Posts 5908 Dogs 12949 / Races 40209 24 Jun 2019 07:57
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Hi Brian, please tell me when this has ever taken 4 days previously. This was not the normal as you are suggesting. Team members on this website also have lives which from time to time due to serious family problems they cannot be online.
The one off incident you are referring to occurred when several of the team had family matters to attend to. No other report has every taken 4 days to action within the last 9 years so I would say the system in place is working. In regards to your comment that after 10 reports are put in a post should be removed, this simply cannot work as what you are proposing would allow 10 members to control the entire forum.
Francis Walsh Ireland (Verified User) Posts 390 Dogs 0 / Races 0 24 Jun 2019 09:00
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You're right Brian, a lot of negativity and finger pointing at various trainers etc, you're also right with the antis getting stronger and stronger, but this is a forum where people who are top trainers are feeding the antis ammunition when they give there dogs performance enhancing drugs, and it's them that are killing the game not the antis.
Brian Loughnane Ireland (Verified User) Posts 2510 Dogs 106 / Races 6 24 Jun 2019 09:39
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Tony Gallagher wrote:
Hi Brian, please tell me when this has ever taken 4 days previously. This was not the normal as you are suggesting. Team members on this website also have lives which from time to time due to serious family problems they cannot be online.
The one off incident you are referring to occurred when several of the team had family matters to attend to. No other report has every taken 4 days to action within the last 9 years so I would say the system in place is working. In regards to your comment that after 10 reports are put in a post should be removed, this simply cannot work as what you are proposing would allow 10 members to control the entire forum.
Tony I understand what your saying and im sorry to hear some of the team had personal problems believe me when I say this my intentions are good its just a suggestion and one I feel may help cut short some of the bad press our sport is getting...to be honest at this stage with everything that's going on people should know what and what not to post on a public forum and I know people are frustrated with certain topics but at the end of the day our sport needs to be no 1 priority...
Tony Gallagher Australia (Team Member) Posts 5908 Dogs 12949 / Races 40209 24 Jun 2019 10:04
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Hi Brian, I agree members should always think about what they are posting and the impact it may have on other members and our sport.
Most posts that are reported are made in frustration i.e. in some instances frustration with the authorities running the sport, or people doing the wrong thing and damaging the sport they love. The last reason for these type of posts is that the person posting or reporting has a private agenda.
It is not up to GD to figure out why the person posted but to react to the report. Sometimes this looks like we are taking sides which we are not, everyone is entitled to their view whether it is good for the sport or not. It is also not up to us to determine if a post is factual or not as to look up every statement would not be practical or possible. All moderators and team members have been told that when in doubt remove the post.
I know your intentions are good Brian and you are doing the best you can for the sport.
Brian Loughnane Ireland (Verified User) Posts 2510 Dogs 106 / Races 6 24 Jun 2019 19:56
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Bernard pay when you pup deals are a great system for breeders but what happens is you will get the odd one or two who will destroy the whole deal for everyone I myself am victim to this I had one of my sires on a pay when you pup deal and one particular family dropped 2 bitches to me left them with me for nearly a month each bitch had 4 blood test at 25 per test pups are now 4 months plus and to this day I have not received a penny so basically theirs fors and against on this one hope you get sorted did the stud keeper not offer you a free service...
Brian Loughnane Ireland (Verified User) Posts 2510 Dogs 106 / Races 6 24 Jun 2019 19:58
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