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Do you have questions regarding the health of your greyhound? Do you need tips what you should feed your dog?
Or do you need advice in curing an injury?

how much and how often can a dog have bi,carb

Ron Mc Guiness
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15 Sep 2020 10:47


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have a dog got from vic,,very slow 1st section on his 1st 450,,following week went slower 1st section by .10 and also run home slower .10 cramped bit over saddle,,,did take bout .6 in weight off in that week as thought bit heavy, wondering wat can help,



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Ron Mc Guiness wrote:

have a dog got from vic,,very slow 1st section on his 1st 450,,following week went slower 1st section by .10 and also run home slower .10 cramped bit over saddle,,,did take bout .6 in weight off in that week as thought bit heavy, wondering wat can help,


Bi Carb
Baking powder consists of baking soda and an acid, usually cream of tartar, calcium acid phosphate, sodium aluminum sulfate or a mixture of the three. Ingestion of large amounts of baking soda or baking powder can lead to electrolyte abnormalities (low potassium, low calcium and/or high sodium), congestive heart failure or muscle spasms.

Use with caution many over do the Bi Carb resulting in other
problems ..

Never POST load expecting miracles with Bi Carb
I think it's illegal to say you use it on a Greyhound before a race


Carole Brown
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Ron, forget about bi-carb. Get him thoroughly checked out by a good muscleman/vet, and get a full blood test done. You will probably get an answer from those things, and you may have decreased his weight too quickly in a week.


Ron Mc Guiness
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16 Sep 2020 06:00


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ok thanks



Jason Caley
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16 Sep 2020 09:36


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Bicarb use isn't illegal in Victoria. You can even see it referenced in addition to potassium powders as acceptable at this fact sheet --

EXTERNAL LINK
In other states I would seek clarity because the national rules prohibit use of buffering agents which Sodium BiCarb (aka baking soda) may be captured by.

Without a published threshold can't say if other states ever enforce it. Hard to see how since BiCarb is used in baking, pastries and even some dog biscuits.

There's far better things out there than this for dogs. But it does have some place in managing a dog with acidosis before you can get it on a drip. There's some merit in baking soda managing a post race unforeseen thing happening in order to manage the acid/alkali base in the dog.

Pre-race? Meh.. some swear by it and all I'll say is try it for yourself and use if you believe it aids the dog in running.

If however you want to try an experiment on yourself - dissolve 1 or two teaspoons of bicarb in water and drink it. If your stomach starts cramping about 2 hours later.. well, that's why it isn't something I'd give my dogs pre-race.

BiCarb is an alkaline substance so it can manage acidity. But remember also sodium is not an essential electrolyte to dogs (they don't sweat unlike horses and humans). Potassium is important in dogs. But again - only play the electrolyte game if you know what you're trying to solve.

In the case of cramping - unless dog is unfit or ill - I would start with magnesium to see if that helped. Well I would start with that assuming dog is adequately hydrated anyway.





Jack Ogilvie
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Be aware of messing with electrolytes.your dog needs to go to the vet and get a full blood profile done. When you dog is under
stress and a certain product widely used by some trainers that contains sodium citrate. Or disguised as two seperate word has ruined many a good dog.This product causes you Dog to p*$$ out certain electrolytes thus causing the imbalance of calcium potassium, magnesium .Then you dog will start cramping.


Michael Worth
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Hey Ron , take the advice of everyone thatís posted. It will cost you less to get an expert opinion than playing around with hearsayís that donít work for every dog anyway depending on their blood counts and other issues which can arise from its use. Be careful dropping weight off a dog too quick. That will definitely effect his performance. What fat storageís he had previously were obviously depleted and no fuel to continue onwards. Not sure how long youíve had him Ron , but different climate and dropping 600 may have taken the edge off him. Best to trial a new dog at his race weight or last start weight and work from there. If they havenít started then best to have them looking good without overdoing it and work them into their correct weight from there. Hope this helps and good luck mate. Cheers


Ron Mc Guiness
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thanks Michael.had dog bout 6 to 8weeks.settled him in for bout 2weeks working with him...he put on about that .6..was 32kilo racing went up to 32.6..gave two 330 trials went 3lengths better his 2nd trial then went 400.then 450 he has very slow 1st section but his run home was as good as any dog goes. then 2nd 450 went tenth slower early and tenth slower run home and tied up little in his saddle..but his run home was better than any 450 race the nite b4 on race night. cheers



Jason Caley
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Jack Ogilvie wrote:

Be aware of messing with electrolytes.your dog needs to go to the vet and get a full blood profile done. When you dog is under
stress and a certain product widely used by some trainers that contains sodium citrate. Or disguised as two seperate word has ruined many a good dog.This product causes you Dog to p*$$ out certain electrolytes thus causing the imbalance of calcium potassium, magnesium .Then you dog will start cramping.

Name the product Jack? Stop being a p$ssy... Stamazene, Betacel. Name this evil product. If it is on the label state the product. Other than that, yes I agree sodium citrate is not suited to dogs, period and ever. But remember, Ron Ball sweared by Stamazene as an electrolyte. Published articles easily found about that on web archive.

Not worried about lawsuits, no shame in naming what products contain what. If anyone wants to use products containing sodium citrate in their dogs, happy to to see you in my race.

Sodium Citrate is just an ingredient, so why Jack are you always refusing to name products? Is there bad blood between you and this supplier? I just don't get it, really I don't.

Yeah don't use horse electrolytes on dogs. They sweat - they can use sodium citrate and I get it. That's all I get about these constant postings about mythological evil conspiracy products designed to wreck every racing dog. Just state the product or leave it as any product containing sodium citrate probably not ideal for canines. And even then, reading here has as much validity as wikipedia. Just do your research from there and give your dogs what you think they require based on their research.

This animosity of alleged sodium citrate bugger upper of dogs needs to be named or just leave it as avoid products containing sodium citrate. Unnamed products and whatever else is just hearsay.

Sodium citrate bad for dogs - on that we agree.

please name the product so we can all stop losing sleep about this matter. ;)



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