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Do you have questions regarding the health of your greyhound? Do you need tips what you should feed your dog? Or do you need advice in curing an injury?
Michael bell / Rob brittan claimed they did a extensive trial showing no negative effects on dog performance
Dr ray Fergusson did the same with his trainer stating no negative effects but improved coats and better poos
Bloods were taken before / after all same , but no proven results on these were shown , and the bell one apparently they lost there data ..
Kibble was xp3020
Surely this cant work you will be needing roughly 400-460 gms daily to meet requirements and dogs will be smashing there water bowls 🤷‍♂️
Like to know peoples thoughts on this one if anyone has actually done this successfully
Ryan Vanderwert Australia (Verified User) Posts 5958 Dogs 8 / Races 0 31 Jul 2023 05:08
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A trainer who lived directly across the road from me did it with a dog called Rock the Casbah. He won a race at Olympic Park over the 700m distance doing this to prove a point.
I remember ringing the manager of the dry food company as they were claiming it was the complete dry food at the time. He suggested to me even though their product was a complete dry food and fulfilled all the requirements a racing greyhound needed, he suggested it be fed with a small meat ball or the like as dogs were carnivores and it was good for them to get the taste of meat in their meal.
The dry food diet certainly didn't do the dog harm as it won a city race. The trainer didn't feed Rock the Casbah any meat at all.
Heard stories of these times when trainers were switching to complete kibble diet Ive forgotten which decade it was sorry
Sounds like some good success stories there with a few runners that won or only lost a length in the process , dont forget the process was only over a few months !
What Ive heard started off really well and dogs were ok to begin with soon turned out not so good in duration of health with many succumbing to coincidental injuries over longer periods .
From research and usage , they both go hand in hand with each other and neither is best on its on for peak athletes .
So much so 99% of Poeple who tried it , went back to what canines thrive on and originally ate since their creation .
Ps . Always remember any food thats ever cooked over a certain temp (which occurs in kibble process ) and freezing also , always results in an instant decline of its original potential benefits !
Hence natural diets super seed all others .
Ryan Vanderwert Australia (Verified User) Posts 5958 Dogs 8 / Races 0 31 Jul 2023 05:32
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rohan gladman wrote:
Very interesting it was over 700m Thanks Ryan , going back a while now you wouldnt know the kibble would ya
Brand is still around Rohan, but somewhat superseeded by far better products.
I saw a couple of racing whippets my daughters in-laws have fed 'Heart and Soul' I think it was called, and they looked super to me. I know a top breeder fed Eukanuba but with meat combined. Just so long as the kibble is a complete diet and meat based.
There are also topics on here of what kibbles people suggest. If you were to type in 'best kibble' in the small search engine just to the right and slightly above all the listed topics.
Just interested in peoples thoughts as I would never feed a kibble only diet think u need rocks in your head doing so . Think its convenient these results were lost but same time Grv stating a complete kibble only is very beneficial
Mark Staines Australia (Verified User) Posts 4499 Dogs 70 / Races 14 31 Jul 2023 07:24
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A handful of high profile Sydney Trainers were promoting Eukanuba years ago, saying they were feeding just Eukanuba !
The true story eventually came out that these Trainers were sponsored by Eukanuba and they were feeding Beef and Eukanuba lol
Ive been using advance kibble for 10 years add 100 grms of meat or tin of sardines a bit of calcium and potasium. Reared pups on it and raced dogs on it strike rate for racers approx 20% up and down a bit but notbing startling like most trainers. Cant blame injuries on food but perhaps training methods. Feed twice a day equal amounts. Do the numbers its cheaper than meat and suppliments and never had a positive with it. Another secret the workd is not flat
Gayle Lemin Australia (Verified User) Posts 616 Dogs 10 / Races 0 01 Aug 2023 00:27
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Tried the Eukanabu like everyone else. Dog lost lengths. Put him back on brown bread ran a track record 2 starts later.
Michael Bowerman Australia (Verified User) Posts 4615 Dogs 11 / Races 0 01 Aug 2023 01:10
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funny a wild dog doesnt eat dry food, greyhounds got have meat at least one and half pound of meat, in there diet, imo
Peter Bryce Australia (Verified User) Posts 706 Dogs 0 / Races 0 01 Aug 2023 02:34
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Rohan the questions to ask Kibble Manufacturers. Where does the Fat/Fatty Acid/Oil come from Recycled Fish Shop / Restaurant Cooking Oil??? Nutrition cooked out of it?? What % Salt??? 1 - 3% (Listed on bag) = 1/2 Teaspoon per Coffee Cup of Kibble Salt hardens arteries restricts blood flow Stroke Heart attack over time???? Percentage of Potassium Chloride to Sodium Chloride daily for Athletic Greyhounds is 75% Potassium Chloride (1/2 teaspoon daily) 25% Sodium Chloride 1/8th Teaspoon daily. What is the source of Protein??? Intestines of abattoir processing, dried and ground to protein powder???? The source of Carbohydrate??? Bread from large Bread Manufacturer?? Vegetable leaves and Veg from Green Grocer markets?? Food Colouring to make every batch look the same??? The word inconsistent is often attached to Greyhound performances fed Kibble diets - The question needs to be asked of Kibble Manufacturers, Are the ingredients Consistent?? Then when feeding Meat and Kibble the Diet is 75% to 80% Protein whilst Athletic Greyhounds require quality Carbohydrate and Fatty Acids (Oil) Protein in correct ratios. Excess Protein goes in one end of a Greyhound and out the other. On the pavement it is called WASTE. Excess protein stresses Kidney and Liver to process it, Causes dark yellow thick urine. Excess salt forms crystals in the Urinary tract. Salt causes excess drinking of water. Ask some questions of YOUR Kibble Manufacturer. I am yet to meet a Doctor or Vet who has an interest in Nutrition. Many Vets sell Kibble. Toxicity in some Foods and processing is now known to cause different Cancers, Ailments and Cell damage. Antioxidants are an essential and forgotten component in Diets.
Peter Bryce Australia (Verified User) Posts 706 Dogs 0 / Races 0 01 Aug 2023 02:58
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Hayden, You can blame injuries on Diet. The role of Carbohydrate is low level exercise, Breathing, Walking and first stage of racing distance. Fat/Fatty Acid is for maintaining body temperature, and high intensity exercise. The role of Protein is to build strength and fibre to muscle. If correct ratios of Carb and Fatty Acid is not available (i.e. High Protein Diets) The Muscular System will be compromised. This in turn causes Muscle Tendon injuries as well as stress/Strain on Ligaments that then can cause stress fractures of bone. You will find more information on my Topic Greyhound Diet in Greyhound Data Forum.
Rohan Gladman Australia (Verified User) Posts 99 Dogs 6 / Races 0 01 Aug 2023 04:41
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Dont need to tell me Pete all aware its a joke of a diet and the reasons behind it , you can never train a dog athlete of a kibble diet , there body just wont hold up .
Rohan Gladman Australia (Verified User) Posts 99 Dogs 6 / Races 0 01 Aug 2023 04:46
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Hayden Gilders wrote:
Ive been using advance kibble for 10 years add 100 grms of meat or tin of sardines a bit of calcium and potasium. Reared pups on it and raced dogs on it strike rate for racers approx 20% up and down a bit but notbing startling like most trainers. Cant blame injuries on food but perhaps training methods. Feed twice a day equal amounts. Do the numbers its cheaper than meat and suppliments and never had a positive with it. Another secret the workd is not flat
💯 u can blame injurys on the food , I think your comment saying its cheaper is the worry ,feeding cause its cheaper isnt the right way to go obviously
Peter Bryce Australia (Verified User) Posts 706 Dogs 0 / Races 0 01 Aug 2023 06:33
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You can blame Injuries on THE WRONG FOOD (i.e. incorrect proportions) A balanced Diet is essential for Athletic Performance Carbohydrate and Fatty Acids are Fuel for Muscle. Protein for Strength and Fibre for Muscle as well as repair. Compromised Carbohydrate and Fat/Fatty Acid and over supply of Protein will lead to Muscle, Tendon and Ligament damage.
EXTERNAL LINK Should anyone be interested in a Complimentary Racing Greyhound Diet feel free to PM me with your email address for your copy.
Michael Bowerman Australia (Verified User) Posts 4615 Dogs 11 / Races 0 01 Aug 2023 07:52
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Peter Bryce wrote:
You can blame Injuries on THE WRONG FOOD (i.e. incorrect proportions) A balanced Diet is essential for Athletic Performance Carbohydrate and Fatty Acids are Fuel for Muscle. Protein for Strength and Fibre for Muscle as well as repair. Compromised Carbohydrate and Fat/Fatty Acid and over supply of Protein will lead to Muscle, Tendon and Ligament damage.
EXTERNAL LINK Should anyone be interested in a Complimentary Racing Greyhound Diet feel free to PM me with your email address for your copy.
is this vet science
Tony Digiorgio Australia (Verified User) Posts 1008 Dogs 25 / Races 0 01 Aug 2023 08:06
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A balanced diet is what is required.
A human won't eat the same food day in and day out.
Why should a dog?
A happy dog is a healthy dog.
Hayden Gilders Australia (Verified User) Posts 993 Dogs 29 / Races 0 01 Aug 2023 09:22
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Is that the best you can do to ink back into your comfort zones. To save me argueing just read the rubbish that youve listed individually (2 weeks on wholemeal bread and then a track record that it didnt break befoe the ekunuba experiment). Suggesting that a complete kibble isnt a balanced diet and could cause injuries, refuting studies cited by gannon abd konke and recommended by prominent greyhound vets because it is different and just by the way articles on jason thompson on this site say he feeds his dogs are fed the same tbing every day day in day out.postman pat is having therapy for his depression
Hayden Gilders Australia (Verified User) Posts 993 Dogs 29 / Races 0 01 Aug 2023 09:24
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Is that the best you can do to ink back into your comfort zones. To save me argueing just read the rubbish that youve listed individually (2 weeks on wholemeal bread and then a track record that it didnt break befoe the ekunuba experiment). Suggesting that a complete kibble isnt a balanced diet and could cause injuries, refuting studies cited by gannon abd konke and recommended by prominent greyhound vets because it is different and just by the way articles on jason thompson on this site say he feeds his dogs are fed the same thing every day day in day out.postman pat is having therapy for his depression
Peter Bryce Australia (Verified User) Posts 706 Dogs 0 / Races 0 01 Aug 2023 10:20
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Is this Vet Science?? The composition of all beings is the same. Skeletal System, Muscle, Tendon, Ligament, Heart, Brain, Lung, Kidney, Liver, Gut, Bowel, Tissue and Cell, Blood, Water etc. One single body cell contains Minerals - Potassium, Calcium. Zinc, Cobalt, Copper, Magnesium etc etc etc. The body comprises of Billions of Cells. The tissue and body cells are fed with Vitamin. The Science is Generic.
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