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Andrew Plaiser Australia (Verified User) Posts 3904 Dogs 17 / Races 36 18 Jun 2007 08:09
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the water thing is a myth,vets,health shop pros will tell u what ive been saying.
Troy Bushell Australia (Verified User) Posts 736 Dogs 10 / Races 94 18 Jun 2007 08:10
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Incorrect Andrew , it will assist muscle to work harder but will not build muscle fibre by just taking a dose , Where is this known fact it is incorrect?
Andrew Plaiser Australia (Verified User) Posts 3904 Dogs 17 / Races 36 18 Jun 2007 08:13
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ok thats what u say,i say it builds fibre.end of story. a steady dose over a period of time with plenty of galloping will do same,build fibre.
Troy Bushell Australia (Verified User) Posts 736 Dogs 10 / Races 94 18 Jun 2007 08:16
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Ok and you live in Fairy land as well.
Andrew Plaiser Australia (Verified User) Posts 3904 Dogs 17 / Races 36 18 Jun 2007 08:19
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it also improves the bodys ability to manufacture proteins used during muscle contraction resulting in increased density,size & strength.increases power output,total work output,increases sprint performance & body mass,troy ur rite about acid buildup it prevents muscles using glycolysis 4 energy,which produces lactic acid which in time creates lactic acidosis muscle fatigue & cramping.
Edward Short United Kingdom (Verified User) Posts 97 Dogs 2 / Races 0 18 Jun 2007 10:51
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I have used creatine on my dogs for years. I do believe it makes them go faster especially the first time they are put on it.
Most dogs will gain some weight in the first two weeks this is due to water retention this will then level off and the dog should be running faster, most dogs put on about 2lb muscle weight in total when they have been on it for a while
I feed it twice per day at half human dose for about 8-10 weeks I then take them off it for a few weeks.
Creatine is found naturally in muscle tissue interestingly animals with the most natural creatine have more fast twitch muscles for instance there is 3 times more natural creatine in rabbit meat than in beef.
The only problem I have had is with cramping but this is because the dogs are not taking enough fluid. When feeding creatine always add extra fluid to their feed or encourage them to drink more by adding a dash of milk to some water. If I had a dog who was prone to cramping I would not give him creatine (or put him in a mag box).
I have taken creatine myself and it does make you stronger by quite a bit.
Vit E is not the same as Creatine, Vitamin E, is an antioxidant.
Ted
Mark Leason United Kingdom
Posts 90 Dogs 0 / Races 1 18 Jun 2007 11:13
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Creatine does NOT increase muscle fibre it increases the amount of ATP your body produces(adenosine tiphosphate the fuel used to contract muscles)ATP reacts to become ADP the energy produced from this reaction lasts only around 10secs which after more ATP must be produced, this is where creatine supplements come in . The more creatine you have the more ATP you can produce thus generating more energy during workouts. So for fast explosive movements creatine and an increased workload would be benefical.
Andrew Plaiser Australia (Verified User) Posts 3904 Dogs 17 / Races 36 19 Jun 2007 02:34
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so in the end creatine works & is safe going on last few posts,thats what we wanted to know,the only reason i mentioned muscle fibre is because thats what a top sydney vet told me,he must b wrong.
Malcolm Smart Australia (Verified User) Posts 12802 Dogs 19 / Races 34 19 Jun 2007 02:45
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Creatine and VitE same result.!!
Andrew Plaiser Australia (Verified User) Posts 3904 Dogs 17 / Races 36 19 Jun 2007 03:50
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@troy,i stand corrected u were rite i was wrong,sorry 4 any misinformation,just going on what a vet told me,u obvisouly know alot more than me & him i suppose.
play rugby myself not at a high level but a few of the boys use creatine, more to look good for the ladies but also heard that there is a high correlation of hamstring injuries and the use of creatine, apperently it lead to over tightening of muscles as it reduced flexibility.
Andrew Plaiser Australia (Verified User) Posts 3904 Dogs 17 / Races 36 19 Jun 2007 05:31
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more like unfit players than anything to do creatine,never had a problem with dogs & torn muscles because of creatine,if anything less injuries.its fuel 4 muscles.like has been said already creatine is stored in muscle tissue,so higher levels improved atp supply,i am obvisouly a fan of it so a bit bias,but it is good stuff.
Malcolm Smart Australia (Verified User) Posts 12802 Dogs 19 / Races 34 19 Jun 2007 05:40
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Mark Leason, you are a legend, agree with you 100%..........
However, I still say same [similar] results from Vit E..........
Troy Bushell Australia (Verified User) Posts 736 Dogs 10 / Races 94 19 Jun 2007 07:56
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Andrew, thats cool Andrew its a complex issue creatine.I have to be right on at least one thing I comment on this forum (lol). Always had an opinion creatine had a role in greyhounds and am very interested If/how people use it. Cheers, Troy
Andrew Plaiser Australia (Verified User) Posts 3904 Dogs 17 / Races 36 19 Jun 2007 08:43
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yep,u certainly get shot down if u say the wrong thing,or have a different opinion,but thats what its all about,u never stop learning in the dog game,so no worrys,betta to admit ur wrong than make enemys i reckon,my experience with creatine is so far pretty good unless it changes i'll keep using it.
Mark Leason United Kingdom
Posts 90 Dogs 0 / Races 1 19 Jun 2007 17:26
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A Legend WOW! thanks Malcolm
Ali Abbas (Verified User) Posts 2 Dogs 0 / Races 0 10 Dec 2016 17:17
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Lianne i am using this . start 3 days before race 1 tablet per day and 2 tablets 6 hrs before race and stop giving them after race then start again 3 days before race . gice us very good result
Jack Ogilvie Australia (Verified User) Posts 15482 Dogs 0 / Races 1 10 Dec 2016 20:56
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Mark Leason wrote:
Creatine does NOT increase muscle fibre it increases the amount of ATP your body produces(adenosine tiphosphate the fuel used to contract muscles)ATP reacts to become ADP the energy produced from this reaction lasts only around 10secs which after more ATP must be produced, this is where creatine supplements come in . The more creatine you have the more ATP you can produce thus generating more energy during workouts. So for fast explosive movements creatine and an increased workload would be benefical.
Best post Mark .use no more than 6/8 weeks then give a similar break.
Andrew Plasier Australia (Verified User) Posts 1279 Dogs 0 / Races 16 11 Dec 2016 02:46
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jeez jack I wish u didn't bring this topic back up! looking back at some of the things I thought I knew back then is embarrassing,know better these days,only comment if you know what ur talking about.
Kevin Wright Australia (Verified User) Posts 5708 Dogs 1 / Races 1 11 Dec 2016 09:15
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andrew plasier wrote:
jeez jack I wish u didn't bring this topic back up! looking back at some of the things I thought I knew back then is embarrassing,know better these days,only comment if you know what ur talking about.
Andrew you have served your ten year apprenticeship now .
Social Media it's great because everything is now there for ever ..
Hey at least you come out of it on the good side...
Can you imagine the amount of times i have over reacted and put my foot so far in my mouth many could see my toes popping out like Piles after a hot indian curry ..
At least you admitted you were wrong and that is something i am learning year by year still ..lol Dont beat yourself up over it ... Just of interest how long had you been training for back in 2007 ..
PS I love Creatine ...I eat it myself now and i can honestly say i can walk at least 2 klms maybe 3 without puffing and my pee is great in colour and my pee is like Syrup and my heart rate is now 114...lol so yea i think Creatine works and i have been using it for 20 years or more ..on my Hounds ..
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