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Just had a bitch xrayed and shows her body was leaching calcium from her bones,Due to too high of a calcium to phosphorus ratio,The vet said not to use DCP Or Calci D as the problem is the same with both but to use Calcium Gluconate ,Anyone have an opinion ,Agree,Disagree
Andrew Plaiser Australia (Verified User) Posts 3904 Dogs 17 / Races 36 10 Sep 2007 03:59
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never heard of that one nath,how did u cum across this problem?
Jack Ogilvie Australia (Verified User) Posts 15480 Dogs 0 / Races 1 10 Sep 2007 03:59
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Nathan, Did he say the phosphorus ratio was to high to the calcium.?or the other way around.The correct Ratio detirmend by the National academy of sciences is 2 parts calcium to 1 part Phosphorus, but it also requires Vit a and D approx 5 to 1. A lot of the calcium used by breeders comes as DCP from china and is completely wrong (1.5 to One. This subject was aired say 4 or 6 month ago I stated then that a leading brand here was way off Got attacked so i shut up.
Andrew Plaiser Australia (Verified User) Posts 3904 Dogs 17 / Races 36 10 Sep 2007 04:24
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it would b uncommon problem wouldn't it?calci-d is good stuff,every 5ml has 308 mg of calcium,& 36mg of phosphorus plus vit a & d,i also give calcium oratate,been used 4 many years,so this prob must have a reason not just that a certain product isn't good enough. thats about 8-1 ratio.
Too high in calcium ,so it draws what it needs from the bones so the excess can be excreted ,The vet recommended 1.2-2 to 1 as being optimal ,He said DCP good for humans not for dogs ??
Mark Staines Australia
Posts 249 Dogs 0 / Races 0 10 Sep 2007 06:18
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Calcium Gluconate injections work instantly,it is absorbed rapidly into the system,i have used it on lactating bitches with great success.You cannot go wrong with calcium sandoz syrup it is top shelf and very expensive.
Yeah mine had it in their milk when babies then had rapidvite for pups while being reared and are on rapidvite at home ,but i was told to give them extra calcium so started with DCP and vet reckons thats whats caused this drama
Mark Staines Australia
Posts 249 Dogs 0 / Races 0 10 Sep 2007 06:44
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Nathan Ted had his own brand of Calcium/Electrolyte saches i used and they were very good from memory they had more than one type of calcium in them i wonder if he still has them .
The sachets were called HYDRATE i think m8,you had to mix the sachet with 2 litres of water,the sachets were in 2 parts 1 part had electrolytes the other had calcium and vitamins.Next time you talk 2 Ted ask him Nathan they are very good.
mark, I think your talking about the Pottassuim/Electrolyte 2 part Sachet called Vy'trate...
Mark Staines Australia
Posts 249 Dogs 0 / Races 0 10 Sep 2007 07:23
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No Malcolm i have used vytrate,these were Teds own brand with heaps of calcium in them as well,i used 2 get them from Teds Belmore clinic they were/are mickey mouse.
Carole Brown Australia (Verified User) Posts 32355 Dogs 185 / Races 2 10 Sep 2007 08:08
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Hi Nathan, Presuming you got a full blood test done on the bitch, can you tell me what her PCV, haemoglobin, calcium, ALT, albumin and globulin readings were? Just curious, as I know some of the supplements you use. Best wishes, Carole.
Allen Fitzsimmons Australia (Verified User) Posts 91 Dogs 8 / Races 0 11 Sep 2007 20:50
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Hi Jack Don't worry about the knockers mate just let us in on which one is best. Cheers Allen
Dean Perry Australia (Verified User) Posts 1048 Dogs 6 / Races 1 13 Sep 2007 10:14
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Don't forget if you;re are feeding fresh meat this effects the calcium and phosphorus levels, I think you'll find that feeding the calcium supplement you speak of the ratios work out correct when administered correctly. If what you say is true why wouldn;t the company that makes it change the formulation. In addition, given that it is probably the most widely used calcium supplement on the market we should have dogs breaking legs all over the joint. I can;t see calcium causing calcium to leach from bones, most reactions of this type work so that high concentration moves to low concentration, ie: if there is too much calcium in the blood the bones wont release more. Given the synthesis between calcium and phosphorus I would reckon the bones are probably releasing phosphorus into the blood stream.
Calcium injections are given to bitches occasionally soon after labour. Calcium is essential to make muscles contract, when bitches whelp they deplete reserves of calcium in the tissue and this causes problems, most commonly 'milk fever', this can be fatal but is very rare amongst greyhounds. Many smaller dog breeds suffer from this affliction. If you;re greyhound needs an injection of calcium for this reason they shouldn;t be left to feed the pups because the problems can be exacerbated by feeding.
Mike Clarke Australia (Verified User) Posts 499 Dogs 383 / Races 247 02 Nov 2008 00:53
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nathan macallister wrote:
but to use Calcium Gluconate ,Anyone have an opinion ,Agree,Disagree
Hi Nathan
If your reading, how has the Calcium Gluconate been working?
Does anyone else use this form of Calcium?
Thanks
Louise Inall Australia (Verified User) Posts 876 Dogs 31 / Races 0 02 Nov 2008 03:42
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Nathan I always use Calcuim Sandoz for my brood in pup and after she whelped. Never had a problem with it. If you can not get Calcium Sandoz try Calcium Syrup made by Troy
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