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Do you have questions regarding the health of your greyhound? Do you need tips what you should feed your dog? Or do you need advice in curing an injury?
Tom Meulman Australia (Verified User) Posts 281 Dogs 0 / Races 0 18 Dec 2007 08:42
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While this string was originally about Performance Enhancers so far it has only been about enhancing the health of the greyhound.
While I do agree wholeheartedly that this is still the best way to get the dog to perform at its natural best, there are still some legal substances that may enhance the performance of some older greyhounds, or those where the health may not be at an optimum level.
Such as: L-Carnitine to improve the utilization of fatty acids DADA 250 to dilate blood vessels and improve oxygen delivery (high dose B15) Enerzyme to increase ATP & UTP (muscle energy & heart energy) AMP 5 to increase ATP (muscle energy) Creatine supplement used in conjunction with Coforta, again increasing available ATP Tripart or Tridenosen to improve general muscle function & reduce the chance of tying up
Tom
Jack Ogilvie Australia (Verified User) Posts 15481 Dogs 0 / Races 1 18 Dec 2007 09:57
If like I suspect you are inferring DADA 250 swabs Jack, I can tell you it does not, and I'm speaking from experience, and I know of others who have been swabbed as well!!!! There has never been a positive in greyhounds in Oz to my knowledge???
Andrew Plaiser Australia (Verified User) Posts 3904 Dogs 17 / Races 36 18 Dec 2007 11:15
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where is it available from,vets or petbarn type of places?
Howard Gray Australia (Verified User) Posts 2280 Dogs 274 / Races 200 18 Dec 2007 11:26
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DADA 250.....vet only
Andrew Plaiser Australia (Verified User) Posts 3904 Dogs 17 / Races 36 18 Dec 2007 11:32
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thanx..
Des Banfield Australia (Verified User) Posts 228 Dogs 242 / Races 19 18 Dec 2007 11:33
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Ditto DADA 250 definitely doesn't test positive in a swab.....remember the old Russian B15 tablets back in the 70/80s, now they tested positive if my memory serves me.
Tom Meulman Australia (Verified User) Posts 281 Dogs 0 / Races 0 18 Dec 2007 18:43
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All of the substances mentioned are designed to increase available energy and are therefore best give as a build up well before the dog races.
Such as: 2 days prior: 2ml of Tridenosen or Tripart injected into each back leg Night before: 1 ml of DADA 250 injected into chest muscle + 2 ml of Coforta injected under the skin low on the neck + 2 grams of Creatine supplement in evening meal.
Used in that manner there is no chance of a positive swab and while all of this may not improve the dog a huge amount, it may assist in getting some dogs to the line.
Tom
Kevin Hay Australia (Verified User) Posts 459 Dogs 2 / Races 1 18 Dec 2007 19:28
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"thats right 2 tablespoons a day in there feed, but only give it when dog is working hard or in heavy training,up too two weeks before really trying!!!!"
Once you start giving your greyhound Metatone do you keep useing it all the time its racing?
Julie Price United Kingdom
Posts 535 Dogs 0 / Races 0 18 Dec 2007 21:25
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I find natural white E very good also makes them stay on strong
John Reilly Ireland
Posts 362 Dogs 0 / Races 0 15 Jan 2008 10:41
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is it alright to give metatone with feramo and ironcyclen
Andrew Johnston United Kingdom (Verified User) Posts 1786 Dogs 38 / Races 0 15 Jan 2008 11:06
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as ive said before i give it to dogs who are in hard training,my 15 month old pup has been on it for last two weeks, when the dog was brought into kennels it loooked sorry for itself but ive been training this young dog , and only feed it red mills, and give it the metatone(2 tablespoons a day in the feed) and the dog is bouncing now ,coat is shining and found a massive amount of time compared to before it was on metatone.i was a bit spectical at first about using this on the dogs but as many young trainers should do is listen to people who have been in the game alot longer than themselves,listen and learn!!!, i did and its paying off for myself,all i can say is try it for yourself, what are you loosing? its only about 6 in the chemists!!!
John Reilly Ireland
Posts 362 Dogs 0 / Races 0 15 Jan 2008 11:58
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yea ok would 2 tablespoons be around 8 to 10ml have you given it with any other supplements or just on its own
Mark Glennerster United Kingdom (Verified User) Posts 3208 Dogs 0 / Races 0 15 Jan 2008 15:52
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2 tablespoons is 30ml.
Em Gee
Andrew Johnston United Kingdom (Verified User) Posts 1786 Dogs 38 / Races 0 15 Jan 2008 16:33
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no just on its own,the only thing i beleive also helps is regular worming, at every 7-8 weeks, leaving it to 3 months is just too long
William Fitzgerald Ireland (Verified User) Posts 226 Dogs 46 / Races 15 15 Jan 2008 16:52
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Tom Meulman wrote:
While this string was originally about Performance Enhancers so far it has only been about enhancing the health of the greyhound.
While I do agree wholeheartedly that this is still the best way to get the dog to perform at its natural best, there are still some legal substances that may enhance the performance of some older greyhounds, or those where the health may not be at an optimum level.
Such as: L-Carnitine to improve the utilization of fatty acids DADA 250 to dilate blood vessels and improve oxygen delivery (high dose B15) Enerzyme to increase ATP & UTP (muscle energy & heart energy) AMP 5 to increase ATP (muscle energy) Creatine supplement used in conjunction with Coforta, again increasing available ATP Tripart or Tridenosen to improve general muscle function & reduce the chance of tying up
Tom
Only problem is that many od these substances i.e. Tridenosen is illegal here.
Mark Glennerster United Kingdom (Verified User) Posts 3208 Dogs 0 / Races 0 15 Jan 2008 16:59
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They are not actually illegal William, its the fact that they do not have a product license and if you get caught impoting them you could be in trouble, the substances in Tridenosen are not illegal.
Em Gee.
Stephen Morgan Ireland (Verified User) Posts 205 Dogs 10 / Races 5 15 Jan 2008 17:19
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is Enerzyme the same as Dynacleine.
Peter McGorrey Ireland (Verified User) Posts 1018 Dogs 10 / Races 0 15 Jan 2008 17:22
Do you have questions regarding the health of your greyhound? Do you need tips what you should feed your dog?
