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Supplemental vitamin C appears to slow racing greypage  1 2 

Daniel Zelic
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30 Jan 2008 23:16


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Supplemental vitamin C appears to slow racing greyhounds. The Journal of Nutrition, June 2002, Vol. 132 Issue: Supplement 2 p1616S-21, 6p

During strenuous exercise, markers of oxidation increase and antioxidant capacity decreases. Antioxidants such as vitamin C may combat this oxidation stress. The benefits of vitamin C to greyhounds undertaking intense sprint exercise has not been investigated. The objective of this experiment was to determine whether a large dose (1 g or 57 mmol) of ascorbic acid influences performance and oxidative stress in greyhounds. Five adult female, trained racing greyhounds were assigned to receive each of three treatments for 4 wk per treatment: 1) no supplemental ascorbate; 2) 1 g oral ascorbate daily, administered after racing; 3) 1 g oral ascorbate daily, administered 1 h before racing. Dogs raced 500 m twice weekly. At the end of each treatment period, blood was collected before and 5 min, 60 min and 24 h after racing. Plasma ascorbate, alpha-tocopherol, thiobarbituric acid-reducing substances (TBARS) and Trolox equivalent antioxidant capacity (TEAC) concentrations were measured and adjusted to compensate for hemoconcentration after racing. TBARS, TEAC and alpha-tocopherol concentrations were unaffected by supplemental vitamin C. Plasma ascorbic acid concentrations 60 min after racing were higher in dogs that received vitamin C before racing than in dogs that either received no vitamin C or received vitamin C after racing. The dogs ran, on average, 0.2 s slower when supplemented with 1 g of vitamin C, equivalent to a lead of 3 m at the finish of a 500-m race. Supplementation with vitamin C, therefore, appeared to slow racing greyhounds.

Does anyone have the full text of this? I can only locate the abstract.

Thank you.


Paul Chouinard
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31 Jan 2008 03:05


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Dear Daniel ,

Your completely right , vit C slow down racing dogs .

I did read that long time ago , you probably good to find it over internet !

Cheers ! Paul




Daniel Zelic
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01 Feb 2008 03:20


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Thanks, but I'm not right, the Journal is.

But thanks again. Will keep looking.


Andrew Plaiser
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01 Feb 2008 03:48


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thats a load of crap anyway,u give them it a coupla times a wk with their breaky 4 general health,not b4 a race..


Daniel Zelic
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01 Feb 2008 03:51


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Maybe Andrew, but I'd still like to read the full study. Thanks all the same.


Andrew Plaiser
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01 Feb 2008 03:57


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what i mean is i dont know anyone who gives it b4 race to make them go faster,some types of b-complex have a bit of vit-c in them & i give a couple of them b4 race eg..rebound tabs..


Daniel Zelic
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01 Feb 2008 04:14


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Thank you Andrew.

Does that work well for you?


Mark Glennerster
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01 Feb 2008 04:24


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Andrew is right,

I don't know anybody that routinely uses Vit C as part of their pre-race schedule, these funded experiments are exactly that, experiments only.

You can use high dose C to help acidify the sysytem to help fight infections etc. but in all the years I have been in the sport I have never heard of anyone using as this scientific paper suggests.

The research departments at many universities and colleges are granted money to carry out research and this is probably one such case, its findings are totally irrelivant to the actual sport of greyhound racing.

If you think you can learn about the racing greyhound by reading these reports on experimental hypothetical research, think again.

Em Gee.


Daniel Zelic
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01 Feb 2008 04:31


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mark glennerster wrote:

If you think you can learn about the racing greyhound by reading these reports on experimental hypothetical research, think again.

Em Gee.

Maybe I want to read this study so I can refute it. Hard to refute without reading first. Maybe I'm God. Maybe I just feel like reading it for fun. Maybe people shouldn't make assumptions about why others require certain literature. Mmmmmm?

Em Gee.



Lianne Cook
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01 Feb 2008 04:33


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Rebound tablets has Vit C in it. But a few people I know, say it's a waste of money. Haven't said why though.


Daniel Zelic
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01 Feb 2008 04:37


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Zalec, Daniel wrote:

mark glennerster wrote:

If you think you can learn about the racing greyhound by reading these reports on experimental hypothetical research, think again.

Em Gee.

Maybe I want to read this study so I can refute it. Hard to refute without reading first. Maybe I'm God. Maybe I just feel like reading it for fun. Maybe I'm researching for a book. Maybe people shouldn't make assumptions about why others require certain literature. Mmmmmm?

Em Gee.




Daniel Zelic
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01 Feb 2008 04:39


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Maybe I want to read this study so I can refute it. Hard to refute without reading first. Maybe I'm God. Maybe I just feel like reading it for fun. Maybe people shouldn't make assumptions about why others require certain literature. Mmmmmm?

Em Gee.


Jim Meletios
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01 Feb 2008 04:45


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Daniel dogs produce their own Ascorbic Acid one of the few animals capable .I have only rudimentary knowledge of this and if you are in the mood to inform I would be greatful.


Andrew Plaiser
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01 Feb 2008 04:47


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Lianne Cook wrote:

Rebound tablets has Vit C in it. But a few people I know, say it's a waste of money. Haven't said why though.
lily,rebound a waste $$ ?? mayb i suppose if u got heaps of dogs its not cheap,but i think its good stuff..



Daniel Zelic
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01 Feb 2008 04:48


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I'm not in the mood to inform Jim, I'm looking to find out more for myself. Call it pure curiosity. I've got some things on the backburner too, where this information will possible come in handy for me, but I won't bore you with those details.

When you find out more, how about you let me know too?

Cheers.



Lianne Cook
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01 Feb 2008 04:52


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Andy, I used Rebound years ago, was good enough for me, dogs certainly liked the taste of it ;-) used to put 2 tabs every morning with their breakfast. However since the price has gone up on it, I've found other better sources of similar vitamins. So don't need to buy rebound anymore.




Sean Mahony
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01 Feb 2008 07:45


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Leanne i use rebound and do find it expensive, id like 2 know what u use instead please ,thanks


Mark Glennerster
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01 Feb 2008 15:55


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Daniel,

I also research and look at theses type of papers, but when you post on here some people take what is said as gospel, perhaps you should lead into the subjects in a different way by simply saying " interesting article on Vit C, what are peoples views on this?" rather than "Vitamin C appears to slow racing greyhounds."

Invite people to respond with their opinions, its far more constructive.

Em Gee.



Daniel Zelic
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02 Feb 2008 00:10


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mark glennerster wrote:

lead into the subjects in a different way by simply saying " interesting article on Vit C, what are peoples views on this?" rather than "Vitamin C appears to slow racing greyhounds."

Fair point, but that IS the title of the article. I just copied and pasted it.


Andrew Plaiser
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02 Feb 2008 00:12


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agree mark,john on a replacement 4 rebound,a human b-complex is similar but no yeast in it,so u can buy the yeast seperately,it mite end up cheaper..

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