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Tor Janes Australia (Verified User) Posts 10024 Dogs 16 / Races 0 31 Jan 2017 23:22
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Good on you Mickey thats what racing is all about I wish you all the best for the future and thank you for sharing such a positive story!
Steven Martin Australia (Verified User) Posts 7681 Dogs 180 / Races 66 01 Feb 2017 01:08
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Yes...Fantastic summary Mickey with more to come.
I bet you were shaking in your shoes with nerves, as Remy approached the boxes.
Good luck next start.....Steve
Sandro Bechini Australia (Verified User) Posts 19488 Dogs 15268 / Races 1856 01 Feb 2017 01:25
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Top story Micky.
Good luck for your next start.
Sounds like you are hooked forever. Good to see.
Malcolm Smart Australia (Verified User) Posts 12802 Dogs 19 / Races 34 01 Feb 2017 01:48
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Mickey McLennan wrote:
Two years ago with great excitement we welcomed our first greyhound litter into the world. They were brought up from babies very much like our danes. In and out of the house, watching tv, lots and lots of toys, even in the whelping box, daily handling, brushing, along with everything that helped to improve their basic instinct to chase. In fact there must have been many occasions where people driving past throught we were mad dragging a rope behind us or on a quad bike with a pile of black pups chasing a toy on the end of the rope. Eventually they left home to go to the "breakers" and I was a wreck. Our sincere thanks to John Martin of Casino for all the work he and his staff put into our pups. John taught me as well in some long phone conversations over the two months (4 x 4)and back home they came in very good condition and as John says, "focused".
Yesterday the first of Dahomey Mahginny's kids raced at Ipswich in a 431 maiden. Our boy, Remy, aka Dahomey Windfire, didn't win, he came 2nd by 3/4 length and 9-3/4 lengths ahead of the rest of the field. We were so very proud of him, he gave his heart to the chase even when getting bumped around a bit. Coming home I felt like I'd won the Australian Open (minus the prizemoney). I was told when the pups were born that nothing can beat that feeling of breeding your own dog and seeing it do well on the track. Now I know. Thank you to everyone who has helped this novice along the way, hopefully more to come!!
Still remember that feeling , even thou it was over 25 years ago, a bitch I hand delivered won a maiden at nowra first up, look stupid with that silly grin on my face the long drive home (sydney),thats the hook that gets you.....congrats..!!
Steven Martin Australia (Verified User) Posts 7681 Dogs 180 / Races 66 25 Mar 2017 10:02
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GUNNADOO COVE is the first to win a GROUP race for the SHAKER.
Ben Manze United Kingdom (Verified User) Posts 48 Dogs 0 / Races 0 30 Apr 2017 20:14
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Decided to breed my first ever litter and use Shakey Jakey after taking a gamble and importing his straws. My friend and breeding partner had a bitch and I really like her so we used her as she had a litter before and we know she has the ability. It's been 20 months of excitement, worry, waiting and finally anticipation as they made it to track. Litter of 8 Shakey Jakey x Bigwood Special on saturday night produced our first winner. Black Lion in only his 2nd race was slow away but just breezed past everything to win really well. Haven't been able to sleep and still buzzing from the win. Hopefully first of many as the others in the litter are all going in the right direction. It's a fantastic high to know I had a hand in these pups and the first winner. Long may it continue.
Simon Moore Australia (Verified User) Posts 2366 Dogs 32 / Races 393 30 Apr 2017 21:05
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Congratulations Ben. Hopefully there are many more wins ahead.
Steven Martin Australia (Verified User) Posts 7681 Dogs 180 / Races 66 11 May 2018 08:20
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I see SHAKEY has only served 2 bitches this year according to Fasttracks. 14 bitches in 2017 & only 9 in 2016.
With Shakey only turning 6 years on the 23rd of this month, I wonder if a return to racing was ever considered after these ordinary mating figures, given his ability?
Simon Moore Australia (Verified User) Posts 2366 Dogs 32 / Races 393 11 May 2018 08:29
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i bet they considered it every single day since he was retired tbh.
such a waste really.
Richard Gray Australia (Verified User) Posts 2231 Dogs 11 / Races 9 11 May 2018 08:41
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This EXTERNAL LINK would have been interesting. A bit close for my liking but will be interested to see if any are used for broods.
Rich.
Grant Thomas Australia (Verified User) Posts 11447 Dogs 64 / Races 20 11 May 2018 14:43
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I remember that run 4 years ago...and the talk in generated...so it's been a no from breeders..???..haven't been on here much lately...
Kevin Wright Australia (Verified User) Posts 5708 Dogs 1 / Races 1 11 May 2018 21:18
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grant thomas wrote:
I remember that run 4 years ago...and the talk in generated...so it's been a no from breeders..???..haven't been on here much lately...
Welcome back Grant Are you still driving trains or are you retired now Live Baiting sage hit every Stud Master smack on and people have only bred to the most popular sires and many now will not take any risks with new Sires regardless of how good they were on the track ...
As i said 4 years ago its the American out cross we needed as today we see why Outcrossing is so important at the right time to give longevity into the Inbred Aussie Dogs .. Shakey just has not got the Numbers to go his way and today many just want the top tier Sire's.
So many great dogs sit in there Kennels after racing these days and there is no demand at all for First season sires
Shaune Miles Australia (Verified User) Posts 16 Dogs 2 / Races 0 12 May 2018 03:21
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If that's the way it's heading,maybe some studmasters should look at slashing stud fees, making something is better then making nothing.
Kevin Wright Australia (Verified User) Posts 5708 Dogs 1 / Races 1 12 May 2018 05:41
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shaune miles wrote:
If that's the way it's heading,maybe some studmasters should look at slashing stud fees, making something is better then making nothing.
Shaun i agree
I have reduced my sires stud fee but i see some have gone up .... I can name 20 dogs sitting at home retired that have not served a bitch even for free and this is a sign of the times and its up to the breeders to decide
Greyhound people have to blame themselves for not supporting these dogs who were trained most times by the little Guy the Back yarder and with the Commercial Breeders maximising huge returns still within our Industry with full books i cannot see it getting any better soon .
Grant Thomas Australia (Verified User) Posts 11447 Dogs 64 / Races 20 12 May 2018 12:07
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Kevin Wright wrote:
grant thomas wrote:
I remember that run 4 years ago...and the talk in generated...so it's been a no from breeders..???..haven't been on here much lately...
Welcome back Grant Are you still driving trains or are you retired now Live Baiting sage hit every Stud Master smack on and people have only bred to the most popular sires and many now will not take any risks with new Sires regardless of how good they were on the track ...
As i said 4 years ago its the American out cross we needed as today we see why Outcrossing is so important at the right time to give longevity into the Inbred Aussie Dogs .. Shakey just has not got the Numbers to go his way and today many just want the top tier Sire's.
So many great dogs sit in there Kennels after racing these days and there is no demand at all for First season sires
Hi, How does one become a top tier without numbers...top tier can't stay top tier...yes retired...it's great...
Me..." can I buy a......Boss..." don't think your wasting any redundancy or super money on bloody dogs "..Me..." OK boss, sorry to have brought it up "...
Mark Staines Australia (Verified User) Posts 4499 Dogs 70 / Races 14 12 May 2018 13:33
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shaune miles wrote:
If that's the way it's heading,maybe some studmasters should look at slashing stud fees, making something is better then making nothing.
Shaune i thought when Frozen Semen and the splitting of semen was allowed that stud fees would become more reasonable, it didnt happen because "most stud master's" just produced a lot more straws at the original service fee, a win win win for them.
Matt Griffiths Australia (Verified User) Posts 1955 Dogs 56 / Races 2 13 May 2018 04:03
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Kevin Wright wrote:
I have reduced my sires stud fee but i see some have gone up .... I can name 20 dogs sitting at home retired that have not served a bitch even for free and this is a sign of the times and its up to the breeders to decide
Greyhound people have to blame themselves for not supporting these dogs who were trained most times by the little Guy the Back yarder and with the Commercial Breeders maximising huge returns still within our Industry with full books i cannot see it getting any better soon .
You are 100% right Kevin, breeders do only have themselves to blame for the little guys sires not getting supported. the biggest issue being most breeders will want to sell a few pups and it is a lot easier to sell a pup by a popular sire than a sire trained by the little guy that hasn't had many services. but sometimes the little sires price themselves out of it before they start too.
but back on topic, Shakey Jakey had enough early services to prove himself, he just didn't get enough big winners to get the 2nd wave of litters. there have been plenty of sires that threw a couple of good ones, but just not enough to get a 2nd influx of services.
Grant Thomas Australia (Verified User) Posts 11447 Dogs 64 / Races 20 13 May 2018 14:41
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Would say...first 50 bitches(city winners) free(just pay op fee) be enough to help these newbies get a start...???
Sandro Bechini Australia (Verified User) Posts 19488 Dogs 15268 / Races 1856 14 May 2018 00:40
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Before I post this I am not having a go at anyone in particular, this is just a general observation
I don't think the stud fee price is the issue anymore, given what has happened over the last few years, breeders these days feel safer going with a proven sire at the top of the charts
It helps sell pups and in their minds there is less chance of wastage...whether its true or not is another thing
In Australia it seems breeders will just pay the money rather than take a risk on an unknown quantity
Its amazing how here in Australia we are paying upwards of $3k for the top sires where in the USA the fee for some of the top sires over there are not over US$1,000 or A$1,400
Grant Thomas Australia (Verified User) Posts 11447 Dogs 64 / Races 20 14 May 2018 01:45
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Sandro Bechini wrote:
Before I post this I am not having a go at anyone in particular, this is just a general observation
I don't think the stud fee price is the issue anymore, given what has happened over the last few years, breeders these days feel safer going with a proven sire at the top of the charts
It helps sell pups and in their minds there is less chance of wastage...whether its true or not is another thing
In Australia it seems breeders will just pay the money rather than take a risk on an unknown quantity
Its amazing how here in Australia we are paying upwards of $3k for the top sires where in the USA the fee for some of the top sires over there are not over US$1,000 or A$1,400
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