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This is the first time I have had any problem with it but damn has it got me angry. The policy that was last updated in 2013 does not have ipswich saturday listed (a catagory b race day in queenslands system) but it does have ipswich tuesday and fridays (both catagory c race days in the queensland system) because this day is not entered in it is automatically defaulted to to a class D track for ways of grading in nsw! Instead of atleast making it a minimum class c like tuesday and friday or making a simple phone call and updating the system they leave it as be. So my dog has run his last 5 races at ipswich 431m on a saturday night running 5th from box 3, 7th from box5, 2nd from box3, 7th from box5 and 3rd from box2 so from his last 5starts the dog has run 2 placings including a placing at his last start. Because of the wrong grading of the ipswich meetings my dog has now been made a reserve and probably wont get a run when theirs a dog in who has run 1 third in his last 5 at tweed heads and another who has run 1 second at the gardens c! Jeez its frustrating! Not to meantion my dog has a pb of 27.60 running 2nd there and there are only 3 dogs with faster pb's!
This is the sort of concerns we all face in our industry these days and it isnt right,I would strongly advise you to send an email to the addresses posted by Bob Whitelaw on the GRNSW is it true topic and air your concerns to the appropriate people Cheers and good luck
This is the sort of concerns we all face in our industry these days and it isnt right,I would strongly advise you to send an email to the addresses posted by Bob Whitelaw on the GRNSW is it true topic and air your concerns to the appropriate people Cheers and good luck
I spoke to two people at the grading department and then spent over half an hour on the phone with bill fanning and the only answers any of them could give was 'were in the process of looking into it' I seems that no one wants to do a thing about it! On the other side of the coin how fair is that that a dog can run and win a maiden, novice, 2 5th grades and a 4th grade at ipswich on a saturday as nsw puts it D class and then still go to a tab 'c' track like grafton and run against 5th graders its a joke!
Calum i think you and many others know things are going to get worse as they have recently before they get better unless we all get on the band wagon and put a stop to this growing rot that we see daily and weekly,NOW more than ever before is our HUGE chance to put a stop to it with the help of the GOVERNMENT lets not let it slip by
David Deguara United Kingdom (Team Member) Posts 958 Dogs 81 / Races 93 16 Sep 2014 22:13
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Calum
Welcome to the world of NSW, and unfortunately be prepared to get used to it, I'm surprised you even got a reply of -"were in the process of looking into it.", but I hazard a guess they won't look into it too much, nor will you get a reply or satisfactory response...the grading system in NSW outside of Maidens, is a joke, especially were the grading of 5th Grades is concerned.
Countless suggestions have been submitted of how they might "fix" and or alleviate the majority of problems but they simply don't want to listen?
I hear you Calum I have gone from the G1 Megastar last Friday to first reserve in a 4/5 grade on Saturday. To make it worse I was actually drawn in Race 10 a 5th grade, but after the re-draw I was made a reserve! The reason, get this quote" I'm an idiot" that is what I got from the grader. His mistake yet I pay..
calum andersen wrote:
This is the first time I have had any problem with it but damn has it got me angry. The policy that was last updated in 2013 does not have ipswich saturday listed (a catagory b race day in queenslands system) but it does have ipswich tuesday and fridays (both catagory c race days in the queensland system) because this day is not entered in it is automatically defaulted to to a class D track for ways of grading in nsw! Instead of atleast making it a minimum class c like tuesday and friday or making a simple phone call and updating the system they leave it as be. So my dog has run his last 5 races at ipswich 431m on a saturday night running 5th from box 3, 7th from box5, 2nd from box3, 7th from box5 and 3rd from box2 so from his last 5starts the dog has run 2 placings including a placing at his last start. Because of the wrong grading of the ipswich meetings my dog has now been made a reserve and probably wont get a run when theirs a dog in who has run 1 third in his last 5 at tweed heads and another who has run 1 second at the gardens c! Jeez its frustrating! Not to meantion my dog has a pb of 27.60 running 2nd there and there are only 3 dogs with faster pb's!
Adele Please take the opportunity to do something about the way you were spoken to ,Its totally unacceptable and no one needs to be treated in this way.Just another one of many problems in our industry
David Deguara United Kingdom (Team Member) Posts 958 Dogs 81 / Races 93 16 Sep 2014 22:48
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The way I see it, that due to cost saving measures GRNSW have established a grading policy that creates most of the problems by it's very own nature.
Under the current grading system the industry has created an over abundance of 5th Grade greyhounds of which the system struggles to accommodate, and in truth can't. If the system allowed for a better, fairer and more constructive filtering of the grades, then I'm sure "problems" would be reduced ten fold.
How many 1st, 2nd or 3rd Graded dogs do you ever actually see, very few in truth, why? not because the calibre of dog doesn't exist, simply because the grading system doesn't really want them to exist, why - Money, pure and simple! they simply don't want to outlay the increased prizemoney that the higher graded races command/demand.
Further, the current system does nothing to help young dogs in the transition from Maiden status into Graded company ...as it stands, the system goes from "protecting" a dog one week i.e, they can only race against dogs that have never won a race as a Maiden, yet in theory, next week out of Maiden class it could potentially face a dog that has won 15 plus races ...where is the logic? surely a 6th grade (Juvenile, call it what you like), grade could be implemented whereby the transition process allows a young dog time to learn?
The system, in my opinion definitely needs a major re-think and revamp.
Adele Please take the opportunity to do something about the way you were spoken to ,Its totally unacceptable and no one needs to be treated in this way.Just another one of many problems in our industry
Adelle has the email,Noel,lets hope she lets loose.
The way I see it, that due to cost saving measures GRNSW have established a grading policy that creates most of the problems by it's very own nature.
Under the current grading system the industry has created an over abundance of 5th Grade greyhounds of which the system struggles to accommodate, and in truth can't. If the system allowed for a better, fairer and more constructive filtering of the grades, then I'm sure "problems" would be reduced ten fold.
How many 1st, 2nd or 3rd Grade dogs do you ever actually see (even though it is really only a label), very few in truth why? not because the calibre of dog doesn't exist simply because the grading system doesn't really want them to exist, why - Money, pure and simple! they simply don't want to outlay the increased prizemoney that the higher graded races command/demand.
The current system does nothing to help young dogs in the transition from Maiden status into Graded company ...as it stands, the system goes from "protecting" a dog i.e, they can only race against dogs that have never won a race as a Maiden, yet next week out of Maiden class it could potentially face a dog that has won 15 plus races ...where is the logic?
The system, in my opinion definitely needs a major re-think and revamp.
Yiu are exactly right,everything they do is to limit the money to participants nothing is a mistake,if it was they would be redoing it,there has been so many complaints to absolutely no response.Now WE the participants are getting the greatest opportunity to get improvements,so get to it.
Robert Whitelaw Australia (Verified User) Posts 1977 Dogs 0 / Races 0 16 Sep 2014 23:26
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adele powell wrote:
I hear you Calum I have gone from the G1 Megastar last Friday to first reserve in a 4/5 grade on Saturday. To make it worse I was actually drawn in Race 10 a 5th grade, but after the re-draw I was made a reserve! The reason, get this quote" I'm an idiot" that is what I got from the grader. His mistake yet I pay..
calum andersen wrote:
This is the first time I have had any problem with it but damn has it got me angry. The policy that was last updated in 2013 does not have ipswich saturday listed (a catagory b race day in queenslands system) but it does have ipswich tuesday and fridays (both catagory c race days in the queensland system) because this day is not entered in it is automatically defaulted to to a class D track for ways of grading in nsw! Instead of atleast making it a minimum class c like tuesday and friday or making a simple phone call and updating the system they leave it as be. So my dog has run his last 5 races at ipswich 431m on a saturday night running 5th from box 3, 7th from box5, 2nd from box3, 7th from box5 and 3rd from box2 so from his last 5starts the dog has run 2 placings including a placing at his last start. Because of the wrong grading of the ipswich meetings my dog has now been made a reserve and probably wont get a run when theirs a dog in who has run 1 third in his last 5 at tweed heads and another who has run 1 second at the gardens c! Jeez its frustrating! Not to meantion my dog has a pb of 27.60 running 2nd there and there are only 3 dogs with faster pb's!
Adele a email off to Alex Bruce chief of staff of the minister re your concerns where the system has failed you as an participant.
I hear you Calum I have gone from the G1 Megastar last Friday to first reserve in a 4/5 grade on Saturday. To make it worse I was actually drawn in Race 10 a 5th grade, but after the re-draw I was made a reserve! The reason, get this quote" I'm an idiot" that is what I got from the grader. His mistake yet I pay..
calum andersen wrote:
This is the first time I have had any problem with it but damn has it got me angry. The policy that was last updated in 2013 does not have ipswich saturday listed (a catagory b race day in queenslands system) but it does have ipswich tuesday and fridays (both catagory c race days in the queensland system) because this day is not entered in it is automatically defaulted to to a class D track for ways of grading in nsw! Instead of atleast making it a minimum class c like tuesday and friday or making a simple phone call and updating the system they leave it as be. So my dog has run his last 5 races at ipswich 431m on a saturday night running 5th from box 3, 7th from box5, 2nd from box3, 7th from box5 and 3rd from box2 so from his last 5starts the dog has run 2 placings including a placing at his last start. Because of the wrong grading of the ipswich meetings my dog has now been made a reserve and probably wont get a run when theirs a dog in who has run 1 third in his last 5 at tweed heads and another who has run 1 second at the gardens c! Jeez its frustrating! Not to meantion my dog has a pb of 27.60 running 2nd there and there are only 3 dogs with faster pb's!
Ingenous,Group 1 to 4&5 reserve.If it was not so serious,it would be funny.
Chris Priestley Australia (Verified User) Posts 657 Dogs 8 / Races 0 17 Sep 2014 02:22
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grading is poor. nsw did a no show for poor prizemoney...........
Chris You are right about the no show back then ,BUT it did help to get us the inquiry and also brought alot of important issues to the surface.Dont chuck the towel in yet mate GOOD things are on the way here in NSW i can assure you of that,as ive said all along but its going to take participants that want a FAIR GO to UNITE and it will happen.PLEASE SEND THEM EMAILS,its OUR rights in question here
Bill Deguara Australia (Verified User) Posts 314 Dogs 4 / Races 1 17 Sep 2014 02:46
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david deguara wrote:
The way I see it, that due to cost saving measures GRNSW have established a grading policy that creates most of the problems by it's very own nature.
Under the current grading system the industry has created an over abundance of 5th Grade greyhounds of which the system struggles to accommodate, and in truth can't. If the system allowed for a better, fairer and more constructive filtering of the grades, then I'm sure "problems" would be reduced ten fold.
How many 1st, 2nd or 3rd Graded dogs do you ever actually see, very few in truth, why? not because the calibre of dog doesn't exist, simply because the grading system doesn't really want them to exist, why - Money, pure and simple! they simply don't want to outlay the increased prizemoney that the higher graded races command/demand.
Further, the current system does nothing to help young dogs in the transition from Maiden status into Graded company ...as it stands, the system goes from "protecting" a dog one week i.e, they can only race against dogs that have never won a race as a Maiden, yet in theory, next week out of Maiden class it could potentially face a dog that has won 15 plus races ...where is the logic? surely a 6th grade (Juvenile, call it what you like), grade could be implemented whereby the transition process allows a young dog time to learn?
The system, in my opinion definitely needs a major re-think and revamp.
A while back I forwarded a grading system to Brent Hogan with the implementation for the introduction of a 6th grade for young dogs,A maiden greyhound can win his or her maiden plus 3 6th grade races before it graduates to a 5th grade, once it has won these 4 races it cannot drop back to a 6th gradethis system would give young greyhounds a chance to race against their own class at least for this number of wins [4] before being thrown to the wolves as it stands at the moment, Answer from g.r.n.s.w. IT WON'T WORK],,WHAT A HEAP OF BULLSHIT all it needs is a stroke of a pen,EASY.
Chris Priestley Australia (Verified User) Posts 657 Dogs 8 / Races 0 17 Sep 2014 02:47
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i, like all of us are hoping for change, but the fact it continues to be delayed, and delayed, and delayed. just gives off a terrible vibe
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