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Ok im not tying to start anyone up just seeing if anyone agrees so settle down people lol Fernando was a champion but i believe double dyna one was the better dog,Fernando was good young and DDO keeped up with him BUT when DDO got a bit of age he started to beat Fernando and DDO was improving everyrace as you can tell with track record becorr he was retired GREAT CHAMPION DOG.what do yous think?
Mark Staines Australia (Verified User) Posts 4499 Dogs 70 / Races 14 24 Apr 2016 04:22
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Keven Berrier wrote:
Ok im not tying to start anyone up just seeing if anyone agrees so settle down people lol Fernando was a champion but i believe double dyna one was the better dog,Fernando was good young and DDO keeped up with him BUT when DDO got a bit of age he started to beat Fernando and DDO was improving everyrace as you can tell with track record becorr he was retired GREAT CHAMPION DOG.what do yous think?
Feels like im missing somthing here i think i should read some of the comments haha
Darren Langley Australia (Verified User) Posts 3160 Dogs 12 / Races 0 24 Apr 2016 08:30
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Mark Staines wrote:
I have nothing negative to say about F.B. I used Bekim as an example based on bitches served, a lot of bitches helps but it does not guarantee success.As i have stated previously why would you pay $4400 for an unproven Wheeler stud when you can have Barcia who is kicking arse for $3300 ???
I would agree Barica is kicking arse and when you compare both stud fees he is well priced.
Sean O'Donnell Australia (Verified User) Posts 4262 Dogs 64 / Races 54 24 Apr 2016 10:39
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Keven Berrier wrote:
barcia bale
Do the stats and you will see he is far from kicking ass!
Mark Staines Australia (Verified User) Posts 4499 Dogs 70 / Races 14 24 Apr 2016 10:44
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Isn't Barcia leading the Victorian sires list ??? How many DDO'S does Barcia need to produce for you Sean before you give him your tick of approval ???
John McAlister Australia (Verified User) Posts 6567 Dogs 1 / Races 0 24 Apr 2016 19:39
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So what your saying Mark is if a dog is leading a particular states Sires List he becomes a great sire take away DDO's litter to Crystin Bale and Barcias stats would look very grim.I think what Sean is alluding to is the fact that his stats on getting them to the track is poor to say the least
Good luck to fernando bale offspring!!! Exciting times ahead !! Every breeder takes different attributes from sires to their broods!!! Stats can be erevalent in some areas and an endless debate!! Every sire has an opportunity to throw that one super freak ... Where's magic sprites ?? Where's cosmic rumbles?? Different sires provide different strengths and opportunities !! Can't wait to see what type of traits FB throws !!! It's all good
Happy Anzac Day ,lest we forget !!
Andrew Paraskevas Australia (Verified User) Posts 984 Dogs 55 / Races 22 24 Apr 2016 21:14
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Sean O'Donnell wrote:
Keven Berrier wrote:
barcia bale
Do the stats and you will see he is far from kicking ass!
What stats are you referring to?
Colin Bermingham Australia (Verified User) Posts 340 Dogs 4 / Races 17 24 Apr 2016 21:21
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Sean O'Donnell wrote:
Keven Berrier wrote:
barcia bale
Do the stats and you will see he is far from kicking ass!
Sorry to hijack the thread but getting a little tired of the BB bashing by Shaun That argument about the Crystin bale litter might have had credence when BB had 50 litters on the ground, to date he has 157 litters under 2 years of age.
To put that into perspective your favourite value sire Magic Sprite who is going quite well and running second on the vic metro sires list and first in vic overall has 345 litters born in that same period.
If you don't like the sire don't use him but your wheeler bashing is getting rather tiresome
Darren Langley Australia (Verified User) Posts 3160 Dogs 12 / Races 0 24 Apr 2016 22:04
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nathan bendeich wrote:
Good luck to fernando bale offspring!!! Exciting times ahead !! Every breeder takes different attributes from sires to their broods!!! Stats can be erevalent in some areas and an endless debate!! Every sire has an opportunity to throw that one super freak ... Where's magic sprites ?? Where's cosmic rumbles?? Different sires provide different strengths and opportunities !! Can't wait to see what type of traits FB throws !!! It's all good
Happy Anzac Day ,lest we forget !!
Well said mate.
I think a lot can't wait till his pups hit the track. I think his outcross might put some fire in the belly of some Aussie broods.
Darren Langley Australia (Verified User) Posts 3160 Dogs 12 / Races 0 24 Apr 2016 22:05
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Colin Bermingham wrote:
Sean O'Donnell wrote:
Keven Berrier wrote:
barcia bale
Do the stats and you will see he is far from kicking ass!
Sorry to hijack the thread but getting a little tired of the BB bashing by Shaun That argument about the Crystin bale litter might have had credence when BB had 50 litters on the ground, to date he has 157 litters under 2 years of age.
To put that into perspective your favourite value sire Magic Sprite who is going quite well and running second on the vic metro sires list and first in vic overall has 345 litters born in that same period.
If you don't like the sire don't use him but your wheeler bashing is getting rather tiresome
Colin it's been going on for years.
Tall poppy syndrome.
Ryan Vanderwert Australia (Verified User) Posts 5958 Dogs 8 / Races 0 25 Apr 2016 00:01
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Keven Berrier wrote:
Ok im not tying to start anyone up just seeing if anyone agrees so settle down people lol Fernando was a champion but i believe double dyna one was the better dog,Fernando was good young and DDO keeped up with him BUT when DDO got a bit of age he started to beat Fernando and DDO was improving everyrace as you can tell with track record becorr he was retired GREAT CHAMPION DOG.what do yous think?
Hi Kevin,
I time-rate the 2 city meets in Vic almost every week and adjust their times for checks and how fast or slow the track was on any given race night.
Adding 10 x DDO's best runs at the Meadows they averaged out to 29.532
Adding 4 x Fernando best runs at the Meadows they averaged out to 29.505
Ok im not tying to start anyone up just seeing if anyone agrees so settle down people lol Fernando was a champion but i believe double dyna one was the better dog,Fernando was good young and DDO keeped up with him BUT when DDO got a bit of age he started to beat Fernando and DDO was improving everyrace as you can tell with track record becorr he was retired GREAT CHAMPION DOG.what do yous think?
Discount the first section,and DDO is the better.IMO.
Matt Griffiths Australia (Verified User) Posts 1955 Dogs 56 / Races 2 25 Apr 2016 03:59
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nathan bendeich wrote:
Good luck to fernando bale offspring!!! Exciting times ahead !! Every breeder takes different attributes from sires to their broods!!! Stats can be erevalent in some areas and an endless debate!! Every sire has an opportunity to throw that one super freak ... Where's magic sprites ?? Where's cosmic rumbles?? Different sires provide different strengths and opportunities !! Can't wait to see what type of traits FB throws !!! It's all good
Happy Anzac Day ,lest we forget !!
Black Magic Opal was Magic Sprites freak Billy The Sid should have been a freak
But both sires are throwing pups where the majority can break a maiden, same can't be said for a lot of other sires.
Matt Griffiths Australia (Verified User) Posts 1955 Dogs 56 / Races 2 25 Apr 2016 04:07
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but none of that has anything to do with Fernando Bale.
I hope Fernando throws some nice pups to a variety of broodies because $4400 is a ridiculous stud fee to pay for a first season sire, especially if you end up with nothing and get to watch the same owners and trainers have all the luck like every other time.
Mark Staines Australia (Verified User) Posts 4499 Dogs 70 / Races 14 25 Apr 2016 04:34
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Sean O'Donnell wrote:
Keven Berrier wrote:
barcia bale
Do the stats and you will see he is far from kicking ass!
Sean what's the basis of your stats in order to form your opinion about Barcia ???
Its luck of the draw if you get a good litter or not ppl are going to fernando to try and get a dog like him and some are going to him because they liked the way he raced, for me im going to get a DDO strew because im a barcia bale and DDO fan and love both of there style of racing and the best thing is that the DDO strews arent to expensive
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