Witch on wheel drew box 1 more times that I could count!

It's just luck of the draw.

Ive also noticed dogs drawing 3 same boxes in a row and trainers along side themselves!

Its blatantly obvious something is wrong with the programme...its a disgrace!

This poor little 23-kilo bitch who loves an inside draw, has draw
6 box sevens,
2 box eights,
2 box fours &
1 box 6 in her last 11 starts.

In 21 starts in Qld she has never drawn the cherry & just 2 box two's & 1 box 3.

Agree. The system is broken.

She's retired now Steve, won't let a flawed system hurt her

Since when has random numbers been 'Flawed'? thats the whole point.. Random..

Just cause u get box 8 1 start doesnt mean u can expect box 1 next start.

Every race there is 8 dogs usually.. You're all competing for essentially 2 good boxes.. so 6 are going to miss out.

Everyone always has some conspiracy as to why they draw bad, yet nobody has ever proven it and even if they tried they would fail.. cause it's random..

always the whingers saying 'the good trainers get the good boxes' a load of crap.

Go to greyhound recorder.. search up the trainers name and look at his last 50 runners.. guarantee their boxes will look fair. Just cause they have more dogs they get more chances at a better draw

Or you're just angry u don't get the boxes you want?

It's literally simple math.. They teach it in grade 3 and yet so many people can't seem to comprehend what random means.

Everytime you get into a field you have a 12.5% of getting 1 of the 8 boxes... That is the same every single time you are drawn.. This number doesnt go to 50% if you get 3 bad boxes in a row, it stays at 12.5%.

The more boxes you get drawn, the more the numbers even out. If you drew 100 boxes it would be more even than drawing 10. If you drew 1000 itd be more even than 100 as it accounts for deviation.

However i know most dogs only have 30-60 starts, so some dogs are always going to have skewed box numbers. doesn't mean the system is flawed. Literally just luck

Calling us whinges (as it seems) when we're simply stating our experience at this time, with either dog(s) we own or know of, is absurd.

If you haven't noticed, previous posts on this topic are 4 years older so you can't be talking about them.

And just for the record Sam, between the 3 of us Darren, John & myself, our total combined years in this industry would eclipse 100....so we're not stating this for the fun of it.

If you remove my greyhounds from the debate. My point of view hasnt changed. When I look at other dogs not in my races...I see the same pattern.

What are the odds a dog draws limited number of boxes...

4,4,4,6,6,6,4,
5,5,5
7,7,7
1,3,1,3
2,8,2,8
1,2,3,2,8,2
3,4,4,3
4,5,4,4
8,8,8
6,3,6,2
7,6,6,6
2,6,2
8,8
4,4
8,8,3,8,8
6,1,6,1,1
1,3,1,3
5,5,5
3,6,3,3
6,1,8,1,8,6
7,7
8,1,3,4,8,1
1,5,1
3,3
6,5,7,6,6
8,8
7,7
4,4
5,6,6,5
2,2,2,3,2
4,4
4,2,4,2
8,6,8

That,s 33/80 runners or 41% of the field Sat night at Ipswich. With 8 possible boxes to draw from wouldnt you expect a more random draw for nearly half those dogs competing at the meeting?

Well said Steve, just wanting fairness for all. Happy to take my turn and draw poorly even if it happens in a Group 1...

Not you in particular but a common theme whenever this subject comes up. 'Top trainers get it all' grv grnsw etc look afte them.

If there is glitches or 'errors' in the system why is nobody collecting the data and sending it to the officials? or ringing them and ask them if they audit it? every time this debate comes up its the same reasons, same excuses yet nobody does anything about it?

Just all hot air from people who don't get the boxes they wan't.

Very easy to pick out 1 meeting, or 1 race and say it doesn't look fair but look at it over a larger sample size of data and it will even out. It's just math

I emailed RaceQ with my concerns and the standard reply came back. Though it was mentioned to me they are presently auditing it, but expected it to comeback all ok.

The question is how is the audit being conducted?

A pictorial summary of the OzChase automatic box draw process is detailed overleaf. The example shown has a Pick Order of the greyhounds as 8, 7, 6, 5, 4, 3, 2, 1 and the boxes were sorted as 2, 4, 6, 8, 1, 3, 5, 7. The resulting box draw then has the greyhound with Pick Order 1 allocated to the first box in the list box 2, the greyhound with Pick Order 2 allocated to the second box in the list box 4, the greyhound with Pick Order 3 allocated to the third box in the list box 6, etcetera.

EXTERNAL LINK

P.s another greyhound I raced 2 years ago.

6,6,6,2,5,6,6,6,5,6,2
Then 7,7,1,1
Then 8,2,8
Then 1,4,3,4,1

Now 2 years later

6,6,6,3,7,4,6,6,6,4,4,4

Why don't you ask them how it's being audited?

If there was really untoward about it surely they would be looking to fix it asap? if there are flaws in the system it opens them up to a massive lawsuit.. If they had found anything in previous audits surely it would have been fixed. I'm sure they can tell you when they last audited it and by who it was being done by. If not I would get a group of people and take it higher up.

But i honestly believe that it is simply random. Too small sample sizes are being used to compare and it will always show weird swings to different directions

In any event, how could they or anyone else cook the books? Matching dogs with boxes several days prior to the race - with or without computers - suggests a complex conspiracy which would take lots of dollars and lots of time to organise a way through the maze of obstacles. Additionally, that process would remain obvious if anyone bothered to examine the data history. It would then be fraud and warrant very severe penalties.

A box of marbles used by stewards on occasions would be a different story but I don't think that happens any more.

Better to have complainants buy a book on statistics, study it and then pass a test prior to writing in. They could also get into a two-up game and see what happens there.

PS We hear about bad luck but what about all the times a trainer has a run of good luck? For example, I recall a very good sprinter, Mystery Idle, having a long stretch of Box Ones at Wenty and Bulli, one after the other. It happens.

How about my situation... 2 racing at present with the same thing. Then 2 years earlier another dog with the same pattern (see above).

Wheres an accountant to give me the probability of all that occurring. When there are 8 boxes to choose from.

A computer programer for an Aus wide business pointed out to me many yrs ago that it's not 'logical for a computer' to do something randomly...........it was fascinating listening to him talk on the subject, sounded quite complex, but at the end of the day he cldn't believe this type of system was in place for this purpose.

Hey just for a bit of fun guys. My bitch drew box 6 tonight in a heat of the Young Guns. Anyone want to guess what shes drawn in the final. Also, boxes 1,2,3 in the final drew what tonight in their heats.

Yep nothing to see here with computers.