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Brucin it 8 5 7 4 5 3 5 5. Petey Majik 8 2 5. Both 8's were at potts where u need to ping or u end up over the fence. Peteys box 2 I only got as I told a person thats great mates with my GRNSW worker that i have issues with on purpose hoping for a passed on message that, "I hope I dont draw the inside as he will run off and I will have to scratch him and I really wanted to race him that weekend also". My guess is the message was passed on. Last dog before that a few years ago Bit Sassy I only had for 3 starts as I had to move. First time nommed 5 then 4 3. And my last bitch before that years ago first few starts. 4 3 7 3 5 6 4 6 3 7 7. Thats not including a couple times I know I scratched. Dog before that 5 7 7 4 and broke down a freak injury. Anyways im over it.
tom richards wrote:
mitchell, go thru all your box draws for the last yr and list them on here. I would think you will be surprised that it is not as bad as you think it is.
Tom I don't blame Mitchell I'm with him all the way he feels that way because nothing gets done.These Audits are not worth crapping on, coz it keeps going on week after week GRNSW don't give a toss and neither do the other states. Glitch or bug has to be stamped out, easy to keep repeating the same line. My trainer just spat it today with SA body,over Monday Angle Park 13/4 race 3 he has 3 runners in Rapidvite maiden final drew 4,5,6 last month's final 3 runners drew 6,7,8. Then take a gander at races 2,5,9,11 almost 50% of the meet. Then in one meet 1 trainer drew 1,2 and another drew 3,4,5 in the same race. Well I could'nt have fixed a race better if I tried. The powers to be could have declared a re-draw BUTTTTT NO, THE AUDIT NEEDS TO DONE NOW !!!!!!!!! If I was a computer geek I would set up PETITION on this site for GOVERNMENT to intervene and clean up this crap software.AND wanna see how many signatures I get. We need to go for the throat on this, force this AUDIT.I would'nt have paid 10 cents for this junk. Auditor finds satisfactory who lined his friggin pocket some academic GO TO SPEC SAVERS bud
I agee with most of that Dino. I would definately sign a petition.I still believe it should be a live draw similar to lotto with no possible way of hitting a redraw button or manipulating the draw in any way.
dino brunato wrote:
Tom I don't blame Mitchell I'm with him all the way he feels that way because nothing gets done.These Audits are not worth crapping on, coz it keeps going on week after week GRNSW don't give a toss and neither do the other states. Glitch or bug has to be stamped out, easy to keep repeating the same line. My trainer just spat it today with SA body,over Monday Angle Park 13/4 race 3 he has 3 runners in Rapidvite maiden final drew 4,5,6 last month's final 3 runners drew 6,7,8. Then take a gander at races 2,5,9,11 almost 50% of the meet. Then in one meet 1 trainer drew 1,2 and another drew 3,4,5 in the same race. Well I could'nt have fixed a race better if I tried. The powers to be could have declared a re-draw BUTTTTT NO, THE AUDIT NEEDS TO DONE NOW !!!!!!!!! If I was a computer geek I would set up PETITION on this site for GOVERNMENT to intervene and clean up this crap software.AND wanna see how many signatures I get. We need to go for the throat on this, force this AUDIT.I would'nt have paid 10 cents for this junk. Auditor finds satisfactory who lined his friggin pocket some academic GO TO SPEC SAVERS bud
Tom Richards Australia (Verified User) Posts 1003 Dogs 0 / Races 0 08 Apr 2015 19:21
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mitchell a live draw has no effect on the software.
looking at your dog draws your 1st has has has 1 start in box 3,4,6,7 8, and 3 in box 5. If 2 of the box 5 starts had been 1 and 2 that would be 1 start in every box. Based on stats your boxes would be classed as "normal" over such a small sample. Same with your othe dog with 3 starts and 3 different boxes, "normal stats.
I believe strongly that there is a bug and have put my thoughts in writing to GRNSW and also to the govt integrity unit, but i do not support the idea that the draw is deliberately corrupt/rigged. If as you say it can be "rigged" there would be no need for a redraw to get the result that was wanted.
Everyone thinks they are getting crap draws. Can you show where someone is getting preferred box draws all the time?
I don't agree with that at all Tom because states should not have that option, it should be one body in control of that software, if any. And a damn good reason to request re-draw, and that state responsible to some-one if used. Several states probably are'nt corrupt but others could be, it happened in NSW harness and look how many were caught. States with re-draw can keep pressing the button until the field suits. States should have fixed software. The manual draw button they have for draws for on track FINAL draws can be used also,to simply name the race FINAL then change it back to grade race after, not hard. State betting on their own code is known to be going on. Their not getting funding from their GOV so are in-putting some of their generated turn-over back to the tote.Stewards are not permitted to bet, as an integrity rule but have been seen. Don't kid yourself the codes don't have to answer to any-one. Here are some stats for ya on my dogs draws 5,1,6,2,8,5,5,4,6,1,1,5,6,3,3,7,3,7,3,1,6,6,6,6,6,6,8,5,3 and 5 next start try and tell me that's normal. One trainer here, has been keeping stats and good on her for being on the ball.
Tom Richards Australia (Verified User) Posts 1003 Dogs 0 / Races 0 08 Apr 2015 21:12
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dino, isnt the OZ draw system used for all states?
I am not a fan of the on track draws for finals.
can you show dogs that are getting favourable draws all the time? Have you heard of someone saying how good their box draws are? In every race, maybe 2-3 people are happy with the draw, 5-6 are unhappy!!
I have also carried out stats on hobbists and pro trainers. I did not find anything suggesting it was rigged. I believe there is a bug grouping trainers by initials, but do not believe and have seen nothing to support the draws are deliberately rigged by people.
For every dog having a bad run with draws, there is a dog having a good run.( no rigging , just stats) Look at 2 up. I have seen a dozen heads in a row, but over a day stats will have heads and tails close to 50:50
Victoria has it's own but want too much,OZCHASE cheaper as we all know ya get what ya get. our state can see side by side names appearing and can use the re-draw to rectify some of those obvious ones but do nothing. When I witnessed the draw I showed them instances all I got was "OH YEH" but went on to print fields that was after my dog got 6 box 6s in a row. My trainer blew it after he drew 6,7,8 in one month RAPIDVITE final and 4,5,6 in this month's and 7 has the same first initial come on when does this crap stop. Our body have already admitted he is getting a raw deal,but the crap keeps coming. When they see obvious grouping they could use the RE-DRAW to see what happens but NO OOOO His owners have had enough and threatening to pull dogs back to their states and he is fed up trying to make a living on this BUG. EXTERMINATE IT or if states had the balls to say we are going back to ball draw until we are satisfied it's fixed THAT'S WHY PEOPLE ARE SCREAMING CORRUPTION
mitchell, go thru all your box draws for the last yr and list them on here. I would think you will be surprised that it is not as bad as you think it is.
If your dog drew 10 box 1s from 30 starts would you not be praising the box draw system though, in everything thats random its not perfectly even. I believe there was a thing in the chase a month or two ago showing the boxes tony brett drew and it was very even the old hes a top trainer he gets all the good boxes idea was blown up in the article.
I'd would like GRNSW to explain how their software allows states to field RAPIDVITE MAIDEN FINAL and send emails to trainers before the heat is run. Just shows how inept this system is. So to bad if dogs were vetted injured or FTP charges in the heat and ineligible to get get an email at 5.30am the morning of the heat. C'mon readers how much proof do we need that this system stinks, and needs to be fixed before it's allowed to draw anymore fields.
Can't believe this thread is still going. Hey Ted I read last weak that an English couple won the Lotto jackpot for the 2nd time in a couple of years - odds of something like 240 Billion to one. You guys just don't get how probability works. Tom, I just looked at the 2 local meetings here in the Hunter - The Gardens = 3 together + 13 apart; Maitland = 4 together ( in Race 1, 5 of the 7 runners trainers were a "J" so I'm thinking that was a near certainty anyway!) + 12 apart. I gave up after that , I figure I'd probably never convince you that Elvis is actually dead if you choose to believe otherwise.
ps. Ipswich= 4 together+ 17 apart pps. Casino = 2 togehter + 8 apart, getting bored going to bed
Tom Richards Australia (Verified User) Posts 1003 Dogs 0 / Races 0 10 Apr 2015 10:11
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wal. have a look at the meetings i have listed previously. Most meetings support my "theory". what i am saying is there is a "trend" for this to happen which is more than random.
Tom,it stuck me when looking at Casino - the event happened 10 times in the whole meeting . Statistically a very very low sample size on which to base any conclusions. They don't run any (meaningful) surveys by only phoning 10 or 20 or even 30 people for that matter. To support your "theory" you would need to keep the results for a couple of hundred meetings, as long as you don't go stir crazy doing it!lol
Tom Richards Australia (Verified User) Posts 1003 Dogs 0 / Races 0 10 Apr 2015 19:44
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wal, if you look at the numbers i have quoted earlier, they are way out of what they should , (~ 1:4. )
the figures you have quoted are what i have been saying they should be , 1:4.
GRNSW have told me they have passed on my emails to the appropriate people. Drawing a long bow, have they checked and found a bug and fixed it? Would they announce this fact? I guess i will keep looking, but like you say it is a boring way to spend your time.
Dino, get Kev to call me if you are at his place this weekend, I'll bring over the book, I'd love over 20% rate of getting box 1's... Soon to add swab stats to my book :))
Wal the reason it keeps going on is because nobody knows anythging about this softwares storage capability just dogs names,trainers names or form of dogs and able to grade and plenty are getting a raw deal.So why are names so evident in draws, grouped If your such a stat expert, i'd rather xlotto draws coz ya see it drawn and the balls come out and i see on your post details you listed no dogs. But GRNSW have never posted or gazetted who or where or how it was developed. And NO credentials that it is certified to field races otherwise you or any computer computer buff could do it. Look at Adelaide fields for a month.
Tom Richards Australia (Verified User) Posts 1003 Dogs 0 / Races 0 11 Apr 2015 08:24
Yes Tom I agree it looks suspicious but again its dangerous to take just one meeting in isolation. The other thing I come back to was that I was told the trainers names are not entered into the draw process- ok you weren't they were not but then you never specifically asked that question. The other point is that even if they are being drawn together there doesn't seem to be any tendency for them to get favorable pairings in terms of the boxes they get. But of course the box draw system must work as its intended at the end of the day. When you say check out the sat night wenty draw what is the greatest concern here?! I have a ( hypothetical) greyhound that has won a maiden at The Gardens and has just won its 2nd 5th grade race there - so I thinks I will nominate for the 5th grade heats. Lets look at just 3 greyhounds I may have been drawn against. Both QUEEN ESTHER and WATTO LOTTO are winners of 14 races at wenty and over $100,00 in p/m. RUE DE KAHN a Group 1 winner with over $160,000 in p/m. Do you really think the Oz chase box draw system is our biggest worry?
Tom Richards Australia (Verified User) Posts 1003 Dogs 0 / Races 0 12 Apr 2015 04:18
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agree wal, i do not believe anyone is getting favourable draws. It is teh "grouping" that i do not think is right. That is what i referred to at wenty sat. Look at the initials drawn together.
Michael Bowerman Australia (Verified User) Posts 4615 Dogs 11 / Races 0 12 Apr 2015 06:50
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is it possible for a live box draw to be delayed, with a computer wise . as i had an optus man take over my computer by me typing in some words, from some where over the world.
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