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Wal look all over Australia, it's not the grading that is a problem it's the grouping,and the re-draw facility that states have that it should'nt have. If parameters are right in software, and again i say who developed it a tax cheat,what vigorous testing did it go through. Nobody knows, when you buy software even if it's Microsoft you can search the net.AND FIND IT, Not this one, did several experts develop it or daffy duck.This i do believe is not used in any code overseas coz they would have bragged about it.I wouldn't mind that much if instances were occurring and look into it to rectify it but GRNSW and states stonewall, WHY and will not tell. The Audits are vague, if so many scenarios were conducted, publish it so we all see. No a three paragraph audit. It's what they are not telling that is suspicious. THAT'S WHY READERS SMELL A RAT. I don't want your stats Wal we want theirs, states claim they don't have any.No stats on boxes, or trainers or dogs that get them. If the system doesn't have it entered why the RE-DRAW.
Benjamin Patti Australia (Verified User) Posts 15 Dogs 7 / Races 17 12 Apr 2015 23:57
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I have a bitch that has had 34 starts, is a desperate railer and has not seen box 1 once. Box 8 9 times, 6 box 4's, 5 box 6's She has had starts in NSW and Qld and the grader told us she should be close to getting box 1 soon.
Wal look all over Australia, it's not the grading that is a problem it's the grouping,and the re-draw facility that states have that it should'nt have. If parameters are right in software, and again i say who developed it a tax cheat,what vigorous testing did it go through. Nobody knows, when you buy software even if it's Microsoft you can search the net.AND FIND IT, Not this one, did several experts develop it or daffy duck.This i do believe is not used in any code overseas coz they would have bragged about it.I wouldn't mind that much if instances were occurring and look into it to rectify it but GRNSW and states stonewall, WHY and will not tell. The Audits are vague, if so many scenarios were conducted, publish it so we all see. No a three paragraph audit. It's what they are not telling that is suspicious. THAT'S WHY READERS SMELL A RAT. I don't want your stats Wal we want theirs, states claim they don't have any.No stats on boxes, or trainers or dogs that get them. If the system doesn't have it entered why the RE-DRAW.
Conspiracy theories abound! Dino as far as the re-draw you've earlier stated "So that in only in extreme circumstances eg: grading error allows this process to happen and warning emails are sent out to certain officials that a re draw has been requested and certain permission granted for this to happen." This should answer your own question in that regard. Also when you watched the draw being made to have said "Each runner is entered and computer it puts them in alphabetical order." No mention there of the trainers name being entered!? As far as audits go you are absolutely correct. They should be available and complete in the how it was conducted and its findings. I read that Tom has asked for this information - I wonder if he ever got a response. For the audit system (AND the re-draw facility for that matter) to be corrupt and all those involved in it to know it is corrupt involves too many persons not saying a thing. And I strongly disagree with your first comment - I would suggest most trainers would be more concerned with say drawing against both Zipping Willow and Zipping Midge in a 5th grade event than the fact that they happened to be drawn in adjacent boxes.
Tom Richards Australia (Verified User) Posts 1003 Dogs 0 / Races 0 13 Apr 2015 03:13
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good post wal, its 100% that people are NOT involved in any rorting.
I just do not have the same 100% faith in the actual software. I would like to see the same field of 8 runners(all real, not made up) with 2 trainers with the same initial entered and drawn 100 times. They should draw adjacent boxes ~ 20 times.
Yes Tom that would be a good test. I can understand that peoples suspicions are aroused when you see the same trainer drawn in adjacent boxes- it stands out like the proverbial dogs testicles. However this information should surely be available in any audit. You SHOULD be entitled to ask for the audit and it SHOULD state over the audit period how often adjacent boxes were given to the same trainer ps. my maths says it should happen 25 times- ie. 1 in 4 ???
Tom Richards Australia (Verified User) Posts 1003 Dogs 0 / Races 0 13 Apr 2015 03:44
I,m 100% behind you Tom & Wal, explain all and show us no stone was left unturned in the audit not just what one state body wants seen in the audit. Transparency not behind curtains, and let's give all these beautiful animals a fair go, for their owners and trainers.
Tom Richards Australia (Verified User) Posts 1003 Dogs 0 / Races 0 18 Apr 2015 23:10
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5875 MIDNIGHT BENZ Mario Azzopardi 27.38 271 PRINCE OMAR Mark Gatt 26.31 8438 HONEY TWIST John Little 26.74 8826 HARVICK Justin King NBT 5768 JETEYE EXPRESS Stevan Vas NBT 1521 WING ATTACK David Cox NBT 616 SANBONA Doreen Drynan NBT 3464 KOOLABONG Peter Acers 26.91
bulli race 8 trainers initials, 2 M's together, 2 J's together and 2 D's together. What are the odds of that happening randomly?
Not that I'm complaining cause I have a bitch that needs the inside but since late last year I moved her from SA to NSW ..... 16 starts and last night had her 7th box 2
Adrian Dowdle Australia (Verified User) Posts 113 Dogs 7 / Races 9 19 Apr 2015 02:42
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Canberra today:
Race 2 - ACTTAB BET LOCAL 0-1 Win H 6:15 PM
4655 ROZEHILL SALLY Wayne White NBT 8378 GOT A CHARGE Keith Morgan NBT 6176 JACOBITE DARCIE Derek Kerr 26.29 X763 ROWDACIOUS Donna Campbell NBT 4562 NINO BALE Simon Rhodes 26.13 5444 JAFFA MISS Geoffrey Sheather 26.16 338 UNSUB RAY Raymond Maitland 26.06 75 AMAZING PEARL Alan Tutt
Race 3 - ACTTAB BET LOCAL 0-1 Win H 6:32 PM
4554 SERENA BERNEA Subawa Ngurah NBT 3 WAIRO BOB Matthew Mahoney 26.18 2855 NIFTY FIFTY David Ruse NBT 4638 JACOBITE PHANTOM Derek Kerr NBT 6855 SEMJASE Darren Petersen 26.70 815 GUNDAL VENDETTA Jennifer Maitland 25.42 3216 THAT'S NOT BAD Peter Dooner NBT 57 LA BELLE EPOQUE Alan Tutt 26.63
Race 5 - ACTTAB BET LOCAL 0-1 Win H 7:07 PM
4456 JACOBITE QUEEN Derek Kerr 26.40 2468 YOU CAN DANCE Jim Coleman NBT 2647 IBROX STAR John Shea 25.98 4785 DRIBBLES Bruce Peck NBT 8686 CHANCE BALE Simon Rhodes NBT - GETWOOD DANCER Simon Woods NBT 4 BROUGHTON BEAUTY Matthew Mahoney NBT 8666 SORRY MAN Cheryl Buick 26.60
Race 6 - TOLEDO TRAILERS 1-3 Wins F 7:28 PM
4352 IMA WARRIOR Darren Petersen 17.95 2333 CAWBOURNE AARON Kyle Newton 18.01 5262 SOPHIES IMAGE Keith Morgan 18.29 6613 BUBBLE GIRL Keith Morgan 18.34 111 RITZA ROMAN Jodie Lord 17.76 2351 AY FLASH Mandy Blewitt 18.15 2442 TRIELLA BALE Simon Rhodes 17.98 211 THOR'S HAMMER Paul Blackmore 17.85 6313 SUPER BOOT Paul Britt 17.85
Race 9 - TONK@STUD STAKES 8:31 PM
5375 VANZA CHOKER Geoffrey Sheather 26.13 1126 UNSUB JENNIFER Jennifer Maitland 25.57 2472 EMILY'S KITTY Jodie Lord 25.59 1154 OMEGA DEACON Jodie Lord 25.37 4226 POPEYE'S MISSILE Shannon Ellis 25.84 4664 CRACK OF DAWN Robert Jackson 25.71 4512 URZU ALLEN Simon Rhodes 25.61 5377 SUNLIT COBBER Shannon Ellis NBT
Race 11 - OAKS ROAD AT STUD STAKES 9:15 PM
3313 ROYAL NORRIS Peter Dooner 18.17 6313 SUPER BOOT Paul Britt 17.85 831 MIDNIGHT MADAM Trevor Peck 18.43 2135 BLAZE OF GLORY Jim Coleman 18.00 2521 FEARLESS MAY David Ruse 17.92 6553 SIMPLY DAWN Robert Jackson 18.03 7625 SUPER MISS BOWLA Robert Bennett 18.02 7571 SPICEY CALLAH David Thompson 18.23
It's without doubt you guys are correct about the first initial rc 6 3 x "K" ....How can the authorities not see this
Well Adrian, seems like it,s back to normal grouping here. On friday at Strath did not group two names for the whole meet.Thought some-one had listened. But HEY presto they are back again. Obviously no money on strath tote. . Adrian they can see it, they can over-ride it with the touch of a button. But choose NOT to that would admit they have had a problem. They have no-one to answer to, and do not. A lot of trust in one group.
So by the way any-one in New South heard about when a audit will happen or if. CAN'T come too soon so the code can get back to normality in our draws and fair fields for these dogs. I'd like to thank Robyn and Steve for their valuable info on STATS for SA trainers,real eye opener. thanks heaps
Think any issues with Ozchase needs to be addressed in Perth, but don't quote me on that. Controlling bodies send complaints there but nothing's been fixed in the system.
Chris Priestley Australia (Verified User) Posts 61 Dogs 0 / Races 0 19 Apr 2015 22:18
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dino brunato wrote:
So by the way any-one in New South heard about when a audit will happen or if. CAN'T come too soon so the code can get back to normality in our draws and fair fields for these dogs. I'd like to thank Robyn and Steve for their valuable info on STATS for SA trainers,real eye opener. thanks heaps
i spoke to the graders about a month ago and they said an audit was currently taking place of every race in the system which will take a few months.
they probably won't reveal the results tho.
Tom Richards Australia (Verified User) Posts 1003 Dogs 0 / Races 0 19 Apr 2015 22:42
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they need to look at the specific theory that trainers initials are effecting the draw and also all other theories about the draw.
Without looking at the specifics, any "bug" will go undetected as has been the case in the past.
If a bug is found, will it be "revealed"?
Tom Richards Australia (Verified User) Posts 1003 Dogs 0 / Races 0 25 Apr 2015 04:48
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check the number of times the initial doubles up at WT and rich sat night.
No way the double ups are within the parameters of random %
Tom it's hard to believe this coupling of names didn't show in early stages of software, and how no- body setting this up did'nt see it. Or if it was ever trialled before use, but surely integrety from GRNSW would move in and stamp out the bug. Why the total lack of desire to get it out and quash any rumors,Doing nothing only leads people to believe what they believe.And that they are answerable to no one, their jobs are safe for as long as they want them
Tom Richards Australia (Verified User) Posts 1003 Dogs 0 / Races 0 26 Apr 2015 00:27
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cannot answer that dino,I have forwarded my theory to GRNSW and the NSW integrity unit. GRNSW have advised previously that they have forwarded it??, but that is the only response i have had.
Ken Bailey Australia (Verified User) Posts 25 Dogs 1 / Races 0 26 Apr 2015 23:17
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Why can't they draw the fields up as normal in number order, then use the banjo to conduct the boxdraw. The draw could be video streamed live and a replay of the draw attached to each race for review at anytime. Footage would have a time and date stamp encoded on it. This may take a bit longer but may help stop some of the doubters of the current system. I raced in the final of the Shepperton a couple of years ago, the draw was done on track and Jason Thompson had two runners they drew, box 1 and 8. Maybe some people are just lucky.PS he didn't win the final.
Tom Richards Australia (Verified User) Posts 1003 Dogs 0 / Races 0 26 Apr 2015 23:24
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ken, i am totally against on track draws. Why???????
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