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Mark Donohue
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Just got word that GRNSW is going to halve the funding for track maintenance for next year (2018/2019), possibly for each and every track. That has to be the `ultimate insult' to other independent tracks, after GRNSW having already spent hundreds of thousands of dollars on three tracks namely, Gosford, The Gardens and Gunnedah. Is that a welfare (GWIC) issue ? Did the GRNSW Board approve it ?


Gary Brown
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Mark Donohue wrote:

Just got word that GRNSW is going to halve the funding for track maintenance for next year (2018/2019), possibly for each and every track. That has to be the `ultimate insult' to other independent tracks, after GRNSW having already spent hundreds of thousands of dollars on three tracks namely, Gosford, The Gardens and Gunnedah. Is that a welfare (GWIC) issue ? Did the GRNSW Board approve it ?

Maybe the GRNSW leadership team have identified inefficient and non compliant management practices by the GRNSW Track Management and approval processes and have now aligned the forecast spending with their commercial goals.

Perhaps they will follow best practice procurements guidelines with forensic evaluation and accountability before approving project funding and commencing any work - that paradigm will have to save stacks of money, based on the re work, sand mix failures and over budget expenditure, we have all witnessed of recent times.


Mark Donohue
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Maybe they havent too ! There are many tracks that are efficient and compliant so your guess work inside your generalisation from textbook type phrases, I believe is not sustained in this incident for the simple reason most tracks are generally compliant. Their budget seems to have been found again and now all tracks will suffer. I just hope our dog (the product) is not harmed as a result of a revitalised emphasis on a budget. All tracks will suffer.

If they havent been following Best Practice Procurement Guidelines what have they been doing for the past three years ? What about the last year ? Three tracks have been turned upside, but the other 29-30 tracks havent! Dont you find it coincidental ?

The old paradigm word gets a honourable mention.

However, there should be accountability and sackings or removed from the preferred tender list if need be.


Valerie Glover
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06 Jun 2018 01:11


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The Word You are both looking for is "MONEY" Less Dogs Racing, Less Income = Less "MONEY ; Less Participants ,Less Income =Less "MONEY" So what they see in the future, even without Strategic Plan in place is Less Money to operate, so Tracks/Participants/Dogs all have to be cop a decrease , simple, remember their word, keep it Simple. Bob Glover


Steve Bennie
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The NSW government has sensationally backed down on its fight to keep a swathe of controversial documents secret after one of its MPs was threatened with suspension.

The government has for months refused to cough up documents shedding light on some of its most controversial policies despite being required by parliament standing orders to do so.
The papers relate the governments multi-billion dollar stadium spend, a plan to move the Powerhouse Museum to western Sydney and an independent review into child protection services.

Labor MP Adam Searle said the LIB Government is 'addicted to secrecy'

Will be on 9 NEWS TONIGHT.

Now then I wonder if WENTWORTH PARK will be in this little lot.



Michael Geraghty
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STEVE BENNIE wrote:

The NSW government has sensationally backed down on its fight to keep a swathe of controversial documents secret after one of its MPs was threatened with suspension.

The government has for months refused to cough up documents shedding light on some of its most controversial policies despite being required by parliament standing orders to do so.
The papers relate the governments multi-billion dollar stadium spend, a plan to move the Powerhouse Museum to western Sydney and an independent review into child protection services.

Labor MP Adam Searle said the LIB Government is 'addicted to secrecy'

Will be on 9 NEWS TONIGHT.

Now then I wonder if WENTWORTH PARK will be in this little lot.

Start rubbing shoulders with Luke Foley because the Libs/Nats could well and truly EXPLODE/IMPLODE.

Don't you just love Karma.


Nicholas Arena
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Valerie Glover wrote:

The Word You are both looking for is "MONEY" Less Dogs Racing, Less Income = Less "MONEY ; Less Participants ,Less Income =Less "MONEY" So what they see in the future, even without Strategic Plan in place is Less Money to operate, so Tracks/Participants/Dogs all have to be cop a decrease , simple, remember their word, keep it Simple. Bob Glover

Bob you can't prepare a Strategic Plan without having undertaken a comprehensive review of the business metrics - the numbers - they will have done so, but won't be releasing them anytime soon as I surmise revenues will not fund the excessive overheads (Administration) and competitive prize money - hence the reason there is talk of asset sales and track closures.

Mark I wouldn't be surprised if the spend per track is based on fewer tracks - the actual spend is likely to be higher per track.
There is a lack transparency, hence why I have stated participants are wasting their time feeding into a so called Strategic Plan engagement/feedback process.


Mark Donohue
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06 Jun 2018 04:40


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Why hasn't GRNSW put out the non-TAB track meetings for 2018-2019 season on its calendar after June ?


Steve Bennie
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Mark read my post above they are ADDICTED TO SECRECY there just lining there pockets till there pension arrives and then its off to the south of France.


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Nicholas,

Re "Bob you can't prepare a Strategic Plan without having undertaken a comprehensive review of the business metrics - the numbers - they will have done so, but won't be releasing them anytime soon as I surmise revenues will not fund the excessive overheads (Administration) and competitive prize money - hence the reason there is talk of asset sales and track closures.
Mark I wouldn't be surprised if the spend per track is based on fewer tracks - the actual spend is likely to be higher per track.
There is a lack transparency, hence why I have stated participants are wasting their time feeding into a so called Strategic Plan engagement/feedback process."

All pretty right. I gave up responding to these documents long ago after many years of finding that they took no notice at all. Another recent example was the survey conducted after the breeding downturn. That showed they did not understand the question so it would have been impossible to come up with sensible answers. In any event, GRNSW has failed to report on the outcome of the survey or on any action taken. Presumably nil.

There is no rational way of proceeding as, without major restructuring, there is no way the industry can handle the simultaneous impacts of declining revenue and increased costs, including the costs of increased welfare measures. Rationalising tracks will never do it as that, too, will tend to reduce revenue, leading to an ever downward spiral. Moving from Wenty will not do it because the costs of a new deal will be substantial while the reward for exiting Wenty will be nil (bar another grant).

Magically, GRNSW has the hide to pat itself on the back by claiming that "our digital media and information capabilities have grown diversified revenue streams for GRNSW". What that means is that NT bookie business has replaced TAB business and that thumbs on phones from mugs in pubs has kept the business afloat. To say nothing of the awful OzChase service which is so far behind Victoria's that it is not funny. Plus rip-off prices and now unusable betting pools to rub salt into the wound.

All of which confirms my decision of four or five years ago to wipe NSW off my map. That's after 50 years of offering my patronage. Dismal, isn't it?

I can't say these guys have lost the plot because they never had one to start with. Baird wins! The good news is that the NSW collapse will stimulate activity in the three neighbouring states.



Mark Donohue
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Is it true that the Gov't has not provided funding for current projects at GRNSW ?

Alternatively, is it true that GRNSW is not going to fund the restoration work at Gunnedah until Gosford has been completed ?

Alternatively, is it true that GRNSW is not going to fund the restoration work at Gosford and Gunnedah until tracks amalgamate ?


Terry Jordan
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Bruce Teague wrote:

Nicholas,

Re "Bob you can't prepare a Strategic Plan without having undertaken a comprehensive review of the business metrics - the numbers - they will have done so, but won't be releasing them anytime soon as I surmise revenues will not fund the excessive overheads (Administration) and competitive prize money - hence the reason there is talk of asset sales and track closures.
Mark I wouldn't be surprised if the spend per track is based on fewer tracks - the actual spend is likely to be higher per track.
There is a lack transparency, hence why I have stated participants are wasting their time feeding into a so called Strategic Plan engagement/feedback process."

All pretty right. I gave up responding to these documents long ago after many years of finding that they took no notice at all. Another recent example was the survey conducted after the breeding downturn. That showed they did not understand the question so it would have been impossible to come up with sensible answers. In any event, GRNSW has failed to report on the outcome of the survey or on any action taken. Presumably nil.

There is no rational way of proceeding as, without major restructuring, there is no way the industry can handle the simultaneous impacts of declining revenue and increased costs, including the costs of increased welfare measures. Rationalising tracks will never do it as that, too, will tend to reduce revenue, leading to an ever downward spiral. Moving from Wenty will not do it because the costs of a new deal will be substantial while the reward for exiting Wenty will be nil (bar another grant).

Magically, GRNSW has the hide to pat itself on the back by claiming that "our digital media and information capabilities have grown diversified revenue streams for GRNSW". What that means is that NT bookie business has replaced TAB business and that thumbs on phones from mugs in pubs has kept the business afloat. To say nothing of the awful OzChase service which is so far behind Victoria's that it is not funny. Plus rip-off prices and now unusable betting pools to rub salt into the wound.

All of which confirms my decision of four or five years ago to wipe NSW off my map. That's after 50 years of offering my patronage. Dismal, isn't it?

I can't say these guys have lost the plot because they never had one to start with. Baird wins! The good news is that the NSW collapse will stimulate activity in the three neighbouring states.


Bruce: Your last two lines are completely WRONG!! If NSW fold, Qld will follow suit IMMEDIATELY. The Fields at meetings in Qld on Wed/Sun are made up with about 1/3 of dogs from the Nth. Rivers. Mon/Thur also have a healthy number of Nth. Rivers dogs. CHECK THE FIELDS? They are struggling big time now for dogs. NSW's closure would be CATASTROPHIC for Qld. Fact

Next Sunday Albion Park 12 Races. 40 Dogs from the Rivers!


Mark Donohue
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The real world is out there.


John Staines
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at the end of the day we need to use the tracks we own like I have been saying for a couple of years now we can race seven days a week at Richmond if they put in a track like the old Harold park and one straight track the pegs have been in the ground for years for the Harold park track so why cant it be done we own the land just like temora the track is the best track in nsw some one with brains running grnsw has to know this why isn't it been dune why can they tell us.Gosford is a joke


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The best track is Cessnock n its a whole lot closer to Sydney than Temora.

I have to ask, does the GBOTA support the closing down of tracks other than their own ?


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hello mark unless you have been to temora in the last couple of years mark you wouldn't know just like I haven't been to Cessnock in about three years but they have been racing at temora y often but not often enough for my liking .I agree with you that Cessnock should not have been closed.but we don't own Cessnock like we do Richmond and temora all the more reason why we should go all out to keep the tracks we own and make them all very safe and turn them into tab tracks and I mean the tracks we own and we wont have to worry about getting kicked off tracks we don't own.


Steve Bennie
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Mark and John you are both right.
The two tracks are excellent, its a long time since I was at Temora but I would leave Cessnock as grass.
In my opinion they should sell Wentworth Park [worth billions] and look for 50 to 100 acers of land north and south of Sydney as close as possible to built up areas.

On the land there should be.

A licenced Club to seat about 500.

Dog track [ two turn inside, one turn outside.

Bowling Greens, Weights Gym, Tennis Courts, Indoor swimming pool,

Football and Cricket pitches for all Codes.

Open seven days a week and would pay for itself.

Around 10 to 20 million to build which is nothing when you look

at what they would get for Wentworth Park.




Valerie Glover
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Steve It would be nice if we did own Wenty, and were able to have anything at all in the selling of it , or even a small piece of what you think it's worth, ? I have said before, GBOTA walked away from Wollongong , H.P. Wyong , Singleton , Beaumont Park , Gave racing the flick at Appin, for exchange for favors ? Destroyed Maitland to take on Cessnock as the big track of NSW Owning your own, is the way to go , but to add to our woes then the problem is Council's being as they are more politically run now , getting tracks on the ground becomes even a bigger concern than ever ? Bob Glover


Terry Jordan
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STEVE BENNIE wrote:

Mark and John you are both right.
The two tracks are excellent, its a long time since I was at Temora but I would leave Cessnock as grass.
In my opinion they should sell Wentworth Park [worth billions] and look for 50 to 100 acers of land north and south of Sydney as close as possible to built up areas.

On the land there should be.

A licenced Club to seat about 500.

Dog track [ two turn inside, one turn outside.

Bowling Greens, Weights Gym, Tennis Courts, Indoor swimming pool,

Football and Cricket pitches for all Codes.

Open seven days a week and would pay for itself.

Around 10 to 20 million to build which is nothing when you look

at what they would get for Wentworth Park.


Steve: They NSW-Govt, want us GONE! The GBOTA lease Wenty, if they sell of wenty WHY would they give/agree to give us anything?
$41 Million was a pittance? enough to guarantee failure only!
We give that much back to the Trots/Gallops in 2 years, with the Inept ICA!
We are to be scrutinised under the VIABILITY Microscope in 1920.
Managerial Structures are being erected around us already, to provide we FAIL! (It's IMPERATIVE that, for this Industry to survive we must HOPE/PRAY/VOTE this Horrendous Callous, Corrupt mob out) If it's not to late already.


Mark Donohue
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Hi John n Steve,

Cessnock is owned by Agricultural Society so can never be sold. Its not Crown Land and cannot be sold and the greyhound community operate it. Richmond belongs to Richmond and Temora belongs to GBOTA.

In principle they would all be at the mercy of the GRNSW to give them racing dates n are subject to their own Board decisions.

None of them is planning on going anywhere so there isnt much difference except geographic location and track design. Temora is a long way from Sydney. Richmond is ideal, but not for three tracks. Perhaps two (current n straight) tracks. Cessnock (big track n room for a straight track too) is in the Hunter and not far from Sydney, Central Coast n Newcastle. Any track could go TAB, but for safety n welfare, its subjective as there are a few variables, such as bend starts, circumference, width of track, speed of dog into the bend, camber, loam or grass.

Wenty Park is leased to the GBOTA so they dont own it. Either the Council or State control it.

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