Grass tracks are cheaper to maintain n the best surface to race on so we need them as well.

Premier track? I wouldnt take my mother in law there even to piss her off. Just move, split the prizemoney up and make richmond, bulli, and dapto the premier tracks and stop putting money into it.

Most of the people that live near wenty are latte sipping tree huggers who hate the sport anyway!

Tor, I was told yesterday that there was a meeting at Dapto and they were told that Dapto will closing and they were going to build units on the land..
Hope its not true Dapto is a iconic place in greyhound racing in Australia.

Wenty is a horrible track , over rated by distribution of prize money
If it was reversed to another track , no one would even turn up there !
Its a disgraced from track layout to all facilities to location !

Bulli is the best track by a mile
For safety , box layout and box distance variation,location and more importantly for families to enjoy the races on some grassed area !

What has Wenty got ? ????? Oh concrete and buildings / tech de-mountables 10 mtrs from the 700 boxes and a car park that you can hardly turn around in ??? Too bad if your dog breaks a leg and you have to carry your dog from one end to the other ???
A disgrace , nothing surer !

Bulli should be the capital and main hub for all !
Then Richmond

Its not even a conversation worth having
If your too dumb to only hit the disagree button
Id love to hear a list of 3 positives about Wenty if your smart enough to put 15 words together !

Anyway, it turns out the expert team was made up of the UTS professor and two imported public servants with no particular technical knowledge. Besides, the UTS team contains many brilliant characters but no in-depth knowledge or appreciation of racing. It is still bent on testing theories and making experiments (correctly so).

More to the point, the GRNSW media release failed to address the fact that Lismore (and Casino) feature races with bend starts always guaranteed to produce extra interference. Nuff said.

Prone to interference (400 and 472) due to (a) cutaway rail section leading into the main turn and (b) flat turn into the main straight, thereby causing running off and disrupting the field.

Sitting on some grass is one possibility. If not, viewing the film would be the messiest job in Oz. And the camera is not aligned with the winning post.

Richmond?

Horrible bend start for 400m and (partially as a consequence) a flat first for 535m runners, which leads to greater difficulty in winning from the outside boxes.

Dapto?

Badly positioned 520m boxes (inside couple have to veer right at the jump) and messy first turn.

Wenty?

Did improve but not sure now.

Bruce you get interference from any start at any track
Saying Bulli is interference from 400 and 470 is stupid

They both have chances to clear out before the turn or make ground out wide

Wide running exiting home turn at Bulli
Who cares ????

At least they dont snap there legs on the camber of the turn coz its to great or high
Appossed to Wenty

And a nice long straight to finish and every runner gets its chance

Dont give me stats Bruce on this topic
They count for shit ! unless youve been out there using the tracks and see there occurring results of your dogs
You have no idea and so do the Poeple who created them , which is why we are where we are now !

If Poeple with papers and pens and computers actually threw away all those things and came out and observed and spoke to the Poeple who used them

And listened !!

Might actually get somewhere and it wouldnt take 6 mths of bullshit research either
It would be done and consulted by in less then a week

End of story

"Bruce you get interference from any start at any track"

Not at Hobart 461, Mandurah 405, 490.

"Saying Bulli is interference from 400 and 470 is stupid".

It is common for one or two dogs to be spat out the back on the turn. Why ask a dog to handle a turn then another turn immediately after it? That is also why indenting the rail at Wenty, Launceston and the former Cannington causes problems and bias.
515 and 590 are fairly good though.

"At least they dont snap there legs on the camber of the turn coz its to great or high".

Busted hocks will occur when the camber is too small, not when it is too high. Check cyclists on a velodrome.

If all can be fixed in a week, why has nobody done that? As I instanced at Lismore, Casino, Dapto and Richmond, millions have been spent on re-building these tracks only to see the same old faults repeated.

My experience is that very few trainers are competent to judge the worth of a track, presumably because they do not bother to study them properly - and they are too busy looking after dogs anyway to spend the time necessary.

On your reasoning a good grader driver could design better highways than engineers. Not likely.

By the way, bullshit research might help work out why interference and injuries occur. Beats a wet finger.

Nice input Tony, you could start a circus without the need to hire a clown

Congrats in writing a few correct words but , its a slightly better effort then a disagree like the other dumb fcks!

So no broken Hocks then at the velodrome ?. Maybe do your useful research for that answer
Or even better go to a vet on sun or mon and ask the injury and from what track
Something your useful and you beaut research wouldnt have the faintest about !

I never said have flat corners
And I wont refer to cyclist or their tracks for direction on a greyhound track
Zero reference and nothing in common at all , useless to say the least

I said consult would take a week

Insinuating that I believe all trainers are better engineers? Really
You are a child
Modifications to tracks is slightly left field to this stupid comment

Yes there will always be some kind of interference from box rise to first bend no matter track or box location
Your example of Bulli 400 or 472 being poor is only poor on your behalf and clearly demonstrates you have none/zero experience in ever using either box ,let alone repeating the procedure for confirmation on any self opinion
You shouldnt pass comment or even be given anytime on this

Hobart card today races 3-7 all 461mtr have bumps and interference between box rise and first turn
Some races half the fields taken out approaching turn

Mandurah first race I watched rc 2 405 mtr today ,the 3 gets spat out the back 5 strides from box rise

These were 2 tracks and distances that you said interference does NOT happen
You are now a liar merely hours after the first card was available and run at these venues and distances

After looking at just the last 4 posts it really is no wonder where it all ends
There is no chance , too many simpletons .......

So most trainers are to busy to study a track or dont bother
Your quote

Heres one question for you Bruce

What do you think one of the first things trainers do that helps determine where theyll take their racer ?

Have a think about it for a moment !
Hint : the answer is 3 words and its part of whats involved in looking after your dog ! You are NEVER too busy for this procedure

Then we drive sometimes 100s of kilometres to make it happen
Not being BOTHERED couldnt be further from the truth .... another ridiculous and incredibly immature assumption by your so called wise self ???

You are so arrogant and out of touch its not surprising that the result in having a conversation with you is pointless and so unproductive
You know what you can do with ya wet finger

Geez, its unusual for you to use limited fact and make presumptions. You presume that trainers dont know and arent observant. Of course, youre not a trainer, owner and/or breeder, but a writer. Your shite needs to be rebutted.

You claimed "Hobart card today races 3-7 all 461mtr have bumps and interference between box rise and first turn
Some races half the fields taken out approaching turn".

Just for the record, this is outrageous nonsense. I had a look at all those (with difficulty as they are very slow putting them up on Ozchase and the Tasracing film quality is very poor).

No substantive interference was present and most runners tended to run straight after leaving the boxes - as is normally the case. This is also why Hobart has a near-zero rate of falls. Devonport is very close behind it. I can't pinpoint exactly why this occurs, although widely spaced boxes might be a help. Of course, that assessment comes after watching hundreds of videos and walking the track in company with local officials. Live trackside viewing is of little help as the dogs are too far away but no doubt there will be oddball statements from others who watch the odd race while at the TAB. The real truth emerges only after you work hard at it for a lengthy period.

The only nonsense is your trying to tell me about studying tracks watching the worst quality film you can find ..... your words !
Meanwhile others are watching replays within 5 min on tab apps on phones or through 100cm tvs

At worst let the commentator guide you through the checks that occur

Ive seen and heard them loud and clear

Rc 7 being the worst where the 1 hits the 2 and begins the chain reaction before the turn and then the 1 repeats this action taking out half the field on the turn

Maybe your grainy film didnt catch that part

So what about the box 3 at Mandurah Bruce race 2 ? The first and only race I bothered to watch after your outlandish statement
Refresher quote they dont happen at Hobart and Mandurah over blah blah blah

Your happy to throw all this shyt around but when it sticks your like the kid who knows nothing and wont say a word !!!!

You said it doesnt happen at all ...... it did !

Please explain ????????

You didnt answer my question about what trainers do as part of the job to protect their chasers and give them the best chance of fulfilling their potential

Coz you claim very few trainers are competent enough to judge a tracks worth
So whats very few ???? 10 % and 90% cant or dont bother to check or study a track that suits their chasers

You said high cambers dont break hocks
So how many at wenty on the home turn Bruce from your research pool

Still waiting on all these answers that some you bought up yourself
Yet suddenly you dont wish to converse or acknowledge them

I'm sure we would fit you in somewhere.....

It may be a valid reason as to why there is this type of interference and even stress fracture type injury occurring which may not even be documented as a race injury until something more severe happens such as a broken hock. Have there been any studies done on this ?

Or from a trainers view point is it worth following up ?

Interesting points Ryan and who knows but I see where your coming from

As to where on the curb (down low or high up ) or what angle puts the most strain on any part the Dogs body it will always be an opinion whether its mine , yours or researched by the so called professionals

Ive had 5 losses from shatters chips and fractures
In all instances they were on bends
Im safely assuming that the safest surface or easiest or less stress comes on an even straight

3 of those incidents the runner was down in the curb

There is a consensus from many that a greyhound doesnt run with one side of its body higher then the other

Meaning the higher the grade of camber the greater the difference in near side to offside being lop sided so to speak .
When the grey releases its power it doesnt think do my near side more then the other , it extends or releases power through out as much as it can evenly !
If one side is contacting the ground earlier then the other , this is where I believe the chance of over stretch or earlier contact due to high camber may cause any of the above injuries

Just like the more a grey turns around a corner from being hit the chances are high of fractures or breaks as the grey isnt straight or even

All greys vary aswell in running pattern and style

This could have a greater impact on runners who excel on corners and have a greater power or exploding stride through turns

Eg how many breaks / fractures are on the offside ?
Ill bet there greater then near side
Obviously its the side thats more under pressure but my point is
The higher the camber the more restricted this side becomes and the more it compounds it shock

This could have an even greater impact for this style of runner

Im no scientist or engineer but creating a velodrome effect only decreases the ability for flowing movement which I believe is a chasing animals essential

Finding the medium is the trick but I think the emphasis on angle camber should be also matched for sand grade and quality eg softness to get the best result

I still see hard tracks , soft tracks will always assist in relieving compression shock
Many will say theyll produce stretching injuries too

Id rather a tear to fix then an unfixable shatter I say too that !

Good point Ryan

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