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Chris van Vegchel Australia (Verified User) Posts 443 Dogs 3 / Races 0 13 Dec 2015 22:31
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Mark Donohue wrote:
Greyhound enthusiasts will not be the only ones submitting their comments to the Special Commission of Inquiry. Therefore, apathy and complacency might be our own worse enemies.
As usual Mark. Plenty of talk but no action.
Mark Donohue Australia (Verified User) Posts 3236 Dogs 6 / Races 0 13 Dec 2015 22:42
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Yes Chris, We can blow our own trumpets all we like on here, but we have to act by submitting our views to the Inquiry and then some, e.g. By not buying products from businesses that don't support us, rolling strikes, protests, voting, etc. The antis seem to do it better than us ! They held a recent protest outside WP a few Saturday's ago. I like the idea of travelling where possible, with Virgin Airlines.
Grant Thomas Australia (Verified User) Posts 11447 Dogs 64 / Races 20 14 Dec 2015 00:18
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Sydney Morning Herald sat. 12th dec. Business Day page. 2...NSW dog kill rate...have a read.
Jack Gatty Australia (Verified User) Posts 2055 Dogs 1 / Races 0 14 Dec 2015 00:21
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Yes Grant - that's the community expectations that they want us to meet. It's a witch hunt.
James Saunders Australia (Verified User) Posts 4644 Dogs 3 / Races 3 15 Dec 2015 01:35
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Mark had this same discussion with you two years ago and you were DEAD SET against one track closure now you and your brains trust are going to nut it all out in a week end..Theres a whole thread about racing zones id advise you too read it.Tracks have to go and if they get it wrong it will potentially collapse the industry I don't see much sense coming out of you. My theory is eight racing zones two too three tracks in each zone starting with northern border zone consisting of Lismore,casino ,grafton.North west zone consisting of Tamworth,gunnedah,armidale.Mid north coast Wauchope,taree,kempsey.Central coast/lower north coast Gosford and a rebuilt Cessnock with a geelong style set up.City zone With a relocated wenty to Fairfield and Richmond with a one turn added on its outside.West zone with Bathurst,dubbo and re-open mudgee or upgrade cowra.(leave those decisions to locals)Sth coast Goulburn,dapto,nowra.Southern border zone Temora,Wagga and a reopened Albury.No distance is greater than two hours and people can relocate to acrage knowing these zones are Tab shown and full prizemoney .We can regionalise and rationalise at the same time.Before everyone says wheres the money for all these upgrades lets consider how much Temora cost to upgrade it was in the tens of thousands not millions.
John McAlister Australia (Verified User) Posts 6567 Dogs 1 / Races 0 15 Dec 2015 04:07
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Look we have big problems here in NSW Goulburn to 15/12 Race 2 watch head on of start and tell me if they are fair dinkum down there the red is atarting at least 2 dogs too close to the rail and watch the 7 coming into the home straight what is wrong with that track that 350m race start should be rectified pronto you can't have dogs moving outwards at the jump to get away from the rail ...talk about Welfare
Mark Donohue Australia (Verified User) Posts 3236 Dogs 6 / Races 0 15 Dec 2015 04:36
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Look who has dropped-in blowing his own trumpet ! James, I was and still am against it, but the reality is the industry is down-sizing when we should be growing here in NSW, but we're shackled by some of the listed issues. When we've been spruiking about these issues over the last two, five and ten years, the government now has stepped in and will change it. How they change it is up for debate. I hope you are going to submit a response to the Inquiry or GRNSW when they ask again ? Btw, Mudgee is still open. . John, Some tracks need to be modified. GRNSW wasn't able to see it, but one would think that things will change next year and beyond.
James Saunders Australia (Verified User) Posts 4644 Dogs 3 / Races 3 15 Dec 2015 04:46
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If you understand business and ideas and concepts than you speak up,i don't believe you do.I spoke to Wayne Billet about these racing zones and the need to rebrand racing in new south for current and future investors and we spoke for an hour.Told him to ignore people such as yourself that think keeping every track and subsidising them with Tab monies is a smart business move.He listened and gave nothing away but he commented that Sandro had mentioned the same so hopefully he understands the importance of these racing zones because it has the potential to catapult us to a great racing state again.
Mark Donohue Australia (Verified User) Posts 3236 Dogs 6 / Races 0 15 Dec 2015 04:46
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Mark Donohue wrote:
Look who has dropped-in blowing his own trumpet ! James, I was and still am against it, but the reality is the industry is down-sizing when we should be growing here in NSW, but we're shackled by some of the listed issues. When we've been spruiking about these issues over the last two, five and ten years, the government now has stepped in and will change it. How they change it is up for debate. I hope you are going to submit a response to the Inquiry or GRNSW when they ask again ? Btw, Mudgee is still open. . John, Some tracks need to be modified. GRNSW wasn't able to see it, but one would think that things will change next year and beyond.
Mark Donohue Australia (Verified User) Posts 3236 Dogs 6 / Races 0 15 Dec 2015 05:11
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Mark Donohue wrote:
Mark Donohue wrote:
Look who has dropped-in blowing his own trumpet ! James, I was and still am against it, but the reality is the industry is down-sizing when we should be growing here in NSW, but we're shackled by some of the listed issues. When we've been spruiking about these issues over the last two, five and ten years, the government now has stepped in and will change it. How they change it is up for debate. I hope you are going to submit a response to the Inquiry or GRNSW when they ask again ? Btw, Mudgee is still open. . John, Some tracks need to be modified. GRNSW wasn't able to see it, but one would think that things will change next year and beyond.
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.James Well done. Regionalisation n Rationalisation are notions that we've been talking about for two or three years. Just for the record I like the Hub and Spoke Venue Model.
Sandro Bechini Australia (Verified User) Posts 19488 Dogs 15268 / Races 1856 15 Dec 2015 05:18
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Mark Donohue wrote:
Mark Donohue wrote:
Mark Donohue wrote:
Look who has dropped-in blowing his own trumpet ! James, I was and still am against it, but the reality is the industry is down-sizing when we should be growing here in NSW, but we're shackled by some of the listed issues. When we've been spruiking about these issues over the last two, five and ten years, the government now has stepped in and will change it. How they change it is up for debate. I hope you are going to submit a response to the Inquiry or GRNSW when they ask again ? Btw, Mudgee is still open. . John, Some tracks need to be modified. GRNSW wasn't able to see it, but one would think that things will change next year and beyond.
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.James Well done. Regionalisation n Rationalisation are notions that we've been talking about for two or three years. Just for the record I like the Hub and Spoke Venue Model.
Mark
I am favour of only hubs as it allows us to concentrate on where the majority of dogs and participants are really at in each region, develop those tracks as centres of excellence and race twice per week on the TAB at those tracks
That way, we take the politics out of it by making the proper decisions for the industry, instead of trying to appease a handful of people in a remote area
Spoke tracks should be maintained as essential infrastructure for trial tracks or educational tracks so they aren't lost to the industry
Canberra Racing Club Australia (Verified User) Posts 175 Dogs 8 / Races 0 15 Dec 2015 05:25
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I agree Sandro and i would be surprised if they went any other way. Centers of excellence aren't a possibility they will be happening what happens around them well keep your ear to the ground.
Mark Donohue Australia (Verified User) Posts 3236 Dogs 6 / Races 0 15 Dec 2015 05:28
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Yes Sandro, they'll have to take into account where participants reside, two hours from track to residence and of course wastage, among other things.
James Saunders Australia (Verified User) Posts 4644 Dogs 3 / Races 3 15 Dec 2015 09:13
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If they designate racing ''Hubs" than people will move accordingly to areas that can access multiple hubs.Lnd is pretty bloody cheap once you escape Sydney so its the best way to get the product spread around and more participants.Now its hotch potch and not co-ordinated.
Jarrad Dale Australia (Verified User) Posts 2143 Dogs 27 / Races 82 15 Dec 2015 20:51
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They will have to close tracks soon on numbers alone with so many trainers packing up and heading south. With absolutely no leadership and the crap prizemoney more are jumping from the sinking ship and going shortly.
Allen Hansen Australia (Verified User) Posts 232 Dogs 6 / Races 0 15 Dec 2015 21:23
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Maybe Victoria could increase their number of meetings and supply the bulk of the product and let NSW shrink to the 500 or so meetings contracted and become the feeder state?
Sandro Bechini Australia (Verified User) Posts 19488 Dogs 15268 / Races 1856 15 Dec 2015 21:24
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allen hansen wrote:
Maybe Victoria could increase their number of meetings and supply the bulk of the product and let NSW shrink to the 500 or so meetings contracted and become the feeder state?
It's already happening Allen
NSW has always been the powerhouse breeding state feeding the rest of the country and NZ
However, in 18 months - 2 years there will be a major shortage of dogs for all racing centres in the country due to the recent downturn in breeding
Hopefully GRNSW can restructre the industry to provide a fairer grading system, a fairer spread of prizemoney and fairer tracks to extend the racing lives of our dogs in NSW
Chris van Vegchel Australia (Verified User) Posts 443 Dogs 3 / Races 0 15 Dec 2015 21:37
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Jarrad Dale wrote:
They will have to close tracks soon on numbers alone with so many trainers packing up and heading south. With absolutely no leadership and the crap prizemoney more are jumping from the sinking ship and going shortly.
Or just getting out completely Jarrad.
James Saunders Australia (Verified User) Posts 4644 Dogs 3 / Races 3 15 Dec 2015 21:37
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I agree Jarrad at this moment its a dinosaur and slowly sinking but if a business man that had no knowledge of greyhound racing was to compare both states he would probably concede New south as a business has more upside to grow.Its got the luxury of heaps of tracks that can either be re-opened or shutdown and really its been mismanaged for years so im confident with a long term plan and designated racing hubs this dinasour will in the next decade reawaken and reflect how good the dogs that are bred here.Lets all concede tracks must go some may come back and get behind it,too much whinging has been the reason why the can kept being kicked along for years.People like yourself Mark and even Tony Gallagher are against tracks closing but see the big picture or we will be a feeder state for Victoria and we don't want that.
Allen Hansen Australia (Verified User) Posts 232 Dogs 6 / Races 0 15 Dec 2015 21:40
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Sandro Bechini wrote:
It's already happening Allen
Yes Sandro it is, it's been more the owners doing this with their dogs, but now trainers are following suit, not sure why "country folk" are so worried about losing the non tab stuff? Every dog will be required just to fill the contracted amount sooner rather than later. Even the cost of transporting dogs to NZ seems a better alternative financially than staying here, although they will be challenged by NSW as far as 3-400 metre racing goes. You would think with the the amount of race clubs in NSW with all the committee members "working" for the betterment of the industry NSW should be flying, shouldn't it?
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