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James Saunders Australia (Verified User) Posts 4644 Dogs 3 / Races 3 15 Dec 2015 21:43
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The GBOTA vs NCA crap didn't help that war cost millions and its had nothing to do with the big picture.
Sandro Bechini Australia (Verified User) Posts 19488 Dogs 15268 / Races 1856 16 Dec 2015 01:13
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allen hansen wrote:
Sandro Bechini wrote:
It's already happening Allen
Yes Sandro it is, it's been more the owners doing this with their dogs, but now trainers are following suit, not sure why "country folk" are so worried about losing the non tab stuff? Every dog will be required just to fill the contracted amount sooner rather than later. Even the cost of transporting dogs to NZ seems a better alternative financially than staying here, although they will be challenged by NSW as far as 3-400 metre racing goes. You would think with the the amount of race clubs in NSW with all the committee members "working" for the betterment of the industry NSW should be flying, shouldn't it?
Allen
There are too many fingers in the pot.
Its about time that those fingers were removed and the hands tied behind their backs
Allen Hansen Australia (Verified User) Posts 232 Dogs 6 / Races 0 16 Dec 2015 01:26
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Sandro is it time race clubs were run by qualified professionals with business skills in line with GRNSW future plans with some accountability and breeders and trainers get back to breeding and training to earn their share of industry money?
Sandro Bechini Australia (Verified User) Posts 19488 Dogs 15268 / Races 1856 16 Dec 2015 08:52
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allen hansen wrote:
Sandro is it time race clubs were run by qualified professionals with business skills in line with GRNSW future plans with some accountability and breeders and trainers get back to breeding and training to earn their share of industry money?
There is something in that Allen
James Saunders Australia (Verified User) Posts 4644 Dogs 3 / Races 3 16 Dec 2015 08:55
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If they cut all non tab tracks they will miss the point and hasten the downfall of the industry here.That would be very short sighted.
Ian Rose Australia (Verified User) Posts 290 Dogs 4 / Races 0 16 Dec 2015 11:22
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From what I'm hearing,they are realizing finally that country racing is equally important as rehoming programs in regard to welfare. I would be surprised if many country clubs go.
Grant Thomas Australia (Verified User) Posts 11447 Dogs 64 / Races 20 16 Dec 2015 12:00
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Ian Rose wrote:
From what I'm hearing,they are realizing finally that country racing is equally important as rehoming programs in regard to welfare. I would be surprised if many country clubs go.
The money just isn't there is it...???..We're bleeding $$$$$$$'s...
Mark Donohue Australia (Verified User) Posts 3236 Dogs 6 / Races 0 16 Dec 2015 19:57
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james saunders wrote:
If they cut all non tab tracks they will miss the point and hasten the downfall of the industry here.That would be very short sighted.
. James, That's it. Now you are seeing it. Well done. . Ian, I can't gauge it, but I think so. It stands to reason. . Grant, They seemed to find it when they want to such as, the Pet Motel, The Gardens, Inquiries, Investigations, Studies, new employees, etc.
Chris van Vegchel Australia (Verified User) Posts 443 Dogs 3 / Races 0 16 Dec 2015 20:55
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Ian Rose wrote:
From what I'm hearing,they are realizing finally that country racing is equally important as rehoming programs in regard to welfare. I would be surprised if many country clubs go.
Country Racing is very important. Without it the hobby participants will be GONE. It would be great to have all meetings on TAB but the reality is that 75-80% of people have day jobs and cannot attend weekday and twilight meetings and therefore rely on weekend racing.
James Saunders Australia (Verified User) Posts 4644 Dogs 3 / Races 3 16 Dec 2015 20:56
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I didn't quite mean what you think Mark.Theres no room for non -tabs minus perhaps potts park and the Coonamble carnival.Tracks situated in the right places should be upgraded with meetings and full stakes monies.If theres a perception amongst participants one hub is an easier touch than another you have the option to drive there or relocate.
Jack Gatty Australia (Verified User) Posts 2055 Dogs 1 / Races 0 16 Dec 2015 20:57
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It's quite rare to find an empty box at a non-tab country meeting. The prize money is peanuts, yet the anti's tell all and sundry that money is the reason people race greyhounds. Its a very expensive hobby racing greyhounds in the bush, so if it's not clear people do it because they love their dogs and the sport it's beyond me. Also it's a good place for maidens to start, so if they close any country tracks I hope that they get the balance right and don't find out the hard way that alot of dogs have nowhere to race.
James Saunders Australia (Verified User) Posts 4644 Dogs 3 / Races 3 16 Dec 2015 21:36
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Good points Jack but disagree with the starting maidens comment.Most of these non tab goat tracks are hardly more safe that the sand tab goat tracks.More one turners for young dogs in my experience than let them learn there trade before subjecting them to break a leg at the first two turners.Chris getting back to your working comment if there was to be at least two tracks in each racing hub one could be day time one would be nite and alternated to accommodate for all.Really hope they don't putthe cleaners thru too many tracks because you can bet your left ....they will get it wrong and leave us stuffed going forward.
John McAlister Australia (Verified User) Posts 6567 Dogs 1 / Races 0 16 Dec 2015 22:37
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Jack I don't want to disappoint you but take a look at this weeks country tracks Coonamble from 13 races only 4 with full fields Armidale has 9 races with 6 full fields Kempsey 12 races 8 which are full fields Temora 9 races 5 full fields Cowra 10 races 5 full fields.Jack numbers are dwindling.We retired our 2 boys this week as far as we are concerned they will not be going into the Antis so called rescue system nor GAP and they won't be offered to anyone that races in the Country as far as we are concerned we will control our own Welfare System at least that way we know they are fit and healthy we are educating 5 pups now 1 may not make it possibly another they too are lucky they have their kennels so they stay also.You may wonder why we are doing this well after the 1st dose of disappointment we said enough and now this latest bit on those 2 getting Jailed for doing what the Majority of Participants have done over the years and not been caught I think it may be time to pull the pin on the game.Maybe it's time we as a so called Industry said enough is enough and in Protest we should withdraw nominating the dogs for a wee while in support of those 2 fellas I know the courts can set an example but this ....Mr Newson is the complete political jerk and if I had 3 guesses I could comfortably say shit for 2 that this is his political call.A Rabbit nor a possum is worthy of a jail term not when people are walking away from more severe crimes against their fellow Country man We have a couple of guys in Victoria 10 years disqualification for the same thing I was around when K Maher from Ash Island got 5 years disqualification and Mick Murray 10 but none got jailed.Maybe it's time to say Stuff the Antis Stuff the Politicians and stuff the Welfare Issue because it's not working and it's never going to work why because sometimes in life you can take something too far and we are seeing it as plain as day with this very Issue
James Saunders Australia (Verified User) Posts 4644 Dogs 3 / Races 3 16 Dec 2015 22:57
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Settle down JMAC this give up attitude is what they want.Lets jump thru there hoops clean up our act and get on with things..I believe the restructuring as a whole will work.There will be some obvious blunders but no ones perfect.
Jack Gatty Australia (Verified User) Posts 2055 Dogs 1 / Races 0 16 Dec 2015 23:13
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Thanks Jmac for the fields heads up, don't know if it's the time of year or the state of the game but even 8 mnths ago there wouldn't be a box empty. Although I agree with you that the sentence against the 3 is outrageous when looked at in comparison to other crimes. There was an article about someone who left a dog locked in a suitcase got a $200 fine. Another 2 were charged with docking the tails and slicing the ears of their dobermans and they assaulted RSPCA investigators and got a huge fine but no jail time. But I won't give in to the injustice and witch hunt against greyhound people while radical zealots like AA exist. If they close us down or you walk away then it's bigger than greyhound racing to me, it's a win for the nutcases and that really rubs me the wrong way.
John McAlister Australia (Verified User) Posts 6567 Dogs 1 / Races 0 17 Dec 2015 00:14
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Fellas I have had a rabbit on a string a hundred times over and not once did that rabbit go on the arm alive it is merely education and relating back to what they had as little pups and even back then they had it dead and half dressed I use to let them eat it all together you know pack style one in all in and most greyhound puppies would have it the same way gee I had 2 Jack Russel X's at 1 time and from when they could chase a bird or a lizard they were full on with the kill bit as they got older I often found Blue Tongues with their heads eaten off and Doves the same way.Domestic dogs do more damage to our wildlife in the backyard at home than any greyhound would do.No jailing good people for this is a joke sure put them out of the game fine but jail give us a break.Our biggest mistake was putting our greyhounds up for adoption and giving them to people for pets all that crap is coming back to bite us and if you want my opinion fellas ....greyhounds do not make good pets for the simple reason they can't be trusted
Mark Donohue Australia (Verified User) Posts 3236 Dogs 6 / Races 0 17 Dec 2015 01:01
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John,
Non-TAB meetings don't have the luxury of having their nomination times extended and sometimes their dates close earlier than their closest TAB meetings. So, trainers sometimes miss their chances on TAB and can't get a chance to nominate their dogs for the non-TAB meetings because they are sometimes closed e.g. Coonamble, Coonabarabran, Moree. There are preferences yes, but if one wanted to race at TG (closes Tuesday) and wanted it backed up with Coonamble or Moree they can't because the non-TAB closes earlier than the TAB for some meetings. A Hub (TAB) and Spoke Venue Model needs to be in the North-Western Region.
Wagga Wagga and Goulburn extended their nomination times this week and last week respectively. TAB C TG had something like 230 nominations for this Saturday, so the dogs are around. It's badly managed. Young and Taree make their closing times a Wednesday. , Maybe we do need to take harsher action. . Greyhounds IMO make great pets.
Jack Gatty Australia (Verified User) Posts 2055 Dogs 1 / Races 0 17 Dec 2015 01:19
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Can't say that I agree John on your pet statement. I've never trusted any breed around young children but I've got 5 that are living inside as pets and my twin two year old grandchildren who visit often mingle with the greys and not once have the dogs put a foot out of line with those kids. I wouldn't trust them not to chase any animal that ran through our backyard but the next door neighbors cat kills more wildlife in a week than mine have in years. But bottom line is they are wonderful athletes first and have had coursing and hunting taken away from them and to take away their only real chance to run fast in a pack, chasing something would be the cruelest act of all.
James Saunders Australia (Verified User) Posts 4644 Dogs 3 / Races 3 17 Dec 2015 02:46
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And another myth ..dogs that have had kills are more dangerous than ones that haven't.Ive rehomed 13 all from different trainers and breakers and I couldn't tell you who has been tuned and who hasn't they all love doing the same things.(being patted and sleeping)
Mark Donohue Australia (Verified User) Posts 3236 Dogs 6 / Races 0 17 Dec 2015 18:26
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EXTERNAL LINK . Hoodoo Gurus - My Girl . Harold Park, Harold Park Hotel, Glebe Flats and outer part of Wenty Park or Jubilee Oval, Glebe Point.
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