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Ian Bradshaw Australia (Verified User) Posts 251 Dogs 6 / Races 0 28 Oct 2016 02:32
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John McAlister wrote:
This Greyhound Welfare Issue should be called Bairds Circle Highway because there is no way of getting off or away from the Issue I am going to make a statement that very few may like but really we do need somewhere where we can take the Animals we don't want and have them put down Cruel one may say well my twist would be in one word ...realistic ...because we are going nowhere with this Welfare Crap We kill many thousands of other Animals for our Tables and they are killed Humanely they have the right people in place to do the job without guilt well we should have a similar principle with the Wastage of Animals in this Country if someone doesn't want their little Effie or moggie or Billie anymore well give them the right to have it put down and stop all this Animal Welfare Crap once and for all ......and to add a little more salt to the theory get rid of the women and those that haven't got the fortitude to ...Put An Animal To Sleep .....I would have a small problem putting one of our dogs down but that problem is removed when it belongs to someone else ...killing any animal is not a nice chore but done right swift and humanely ..well problem solved
John, I agree with you. I don't know how many greyhounds it is possible to have rehomed each year in Australia, but I suspect it is well short of the number looking to be rehomed.
I have sent greyhounds to GAP, who do a great job with limited resources. When my circumstances demanded it I have had greyhounds euthanized at a vet clinic. The same vet clinic where pet dogs (not greyhounds) and cats owned by my wife, have been euthanized because they were old and/or sick.
We don't like taking animals to the vet to have them put down, but at least we know it is done in a humane manner.
The Antis would no doubt want the number of greyhounds born each year to match the rehoming rates....That may happen in their perfect world, but in the real world, it won't.
Kevin Wright Australia (Verified User) Posts 5708 Dogs 1 / Races 1 28 Oct 2016 03:38
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ian bradshaw wrote:
John McAlister wrote:
This Greyhound Welfare Issue should be called Bairds Circle Highway because there is no way of getting off or away from the Issue I am going to make a statement that very few may like but really we do need somewhere where we can take the Animals we don't want and have them put down Cruel one may say well my twist would be in one word ...realistic ...because we are going nowhere with this Welfare Crap We kill many thousands of other Animals for our Tables and they are killed Humanely they have the right people in place to do the job without guilt well we should have a similar principle with the Wastage of Animals in this Country if someone doesn't want their little Effie or moggie or Billie anymore well give them the right to have it put down and stop all this Animal Welfare Crap once and for all ......and to add a little more salt to the theory get rid of the women and those that haven't got the fortitude to ...Put An Animal To Sleep .....I would have a small problem putting one of our dogs down but that problem is removed when it belongs to someone else ...killing any animal is not a nice chore but done right swift and humanely ..well problem solved
John, I agree with you. I don't know how many greyhounds it is possible to have rehomed each year in Australia, but I suspect it is well short of the number looking to be rehomed.
I have sent greyhounds to GAP, who do a great job with limited resources. When my circumstances demanded it I have had greyhounds euthanized at a vet clinic. The same vet clinic where pet dogs (not greyhounds) and cats owned by my wife, have been euthanized because they were old and/or sick.
We don't like taking animals to the vet to have them put down, but at least we know it is done in a humane manner.
The Antis would no doubt want the number of greyhounds born each year to match the rehoming rates....That may happen in their perfect world, but in the real world, it won't.
Jesus John ..
This Quote
get rid of the women and those that haven't got the fortitude to ...Put An Animal To Sleep .
Would get you 180 days lock down ...
Good luck with that one ..lol
Simon Moore Australia (Verified User) Posts 2366 Dogs 32 / Races 393 28 Oct 2016 03:51
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ian bradshaw wrote:
John McAlister wrote:
This Greyhound Welfare Issue should be called Bairds Circle Highway because there is no way of getting off or away from the Issue I am going to make a statement that very few may like but really we do need somewhere where we can take the Animals we don't want and have them put down Cruel one may say well my twist would be in one word ...realistic ...because we are going nowhere with this Welfare Crap We kill many thousands of other Animals for our Tables and they are killed Humanely they have the right people in place to do the job without guilt well we should have a similar principle with the Wastage of Animals in this Country if someone doesn't want their little Effie or moggie or Billie anymore well give them the right to have it put down and stop all this Animal Welfare Crap once and for all ......and to add a little more salt to the theory get rid of the women and those that haven't got the fortitude to ...Put An Animal To Sleep .....I would have a small problem putting one of our dogs down but that problem is removed when it belongs to someone else ...killing any animal is not a nice chore but done right swift and humanely ..well problem solved
John, I agree with you. I don't know how many greyhounds it is possible to have rehomed each year in Australia, but I suspect it is well short of the number looking to be rehomed.
I have sent greyhounds to GAP, who do a great job with limited resources. When my circumstances demanded it I have had greyhounds euthanized at a vet clinic. The same vet clinic where pet dogs (not greyhounds) and cats owned by my wife, have been euthanized because they were old and/or sick.
We don't like taking animals to the vet to have them put down, but at least we know it is done in a humane manner.
The Antis would no doubt want the number of greyhounds born each year to match the rehoming rates....That may happen in their perfect world, but in the real world, it won't.
Problem is that this Alliance has guaranteed EVERY greyhound will be rehomed and we can be held accountable for it ffs.
They should be fighting for equality to not be victimized instead of being held way above every other animal industry in regards to welfare issues.
We are being attacked unfairly and this should be argued in the media day in day out imo.
Most of society believe the greyhound industry are far worse than all the others cause they have been brainwashed and our industry has done diddly squat to put on display the hypocrisy of the attack aimed at us.
John McAlister Australia (Verified User) Posts 6567 Dogs 1 / Races 0 28 Oct 2016 04:13
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Kevin I can remember the trainee nurses that use to come thru the meatworks and a lot never got past the stick hole they fainted because of what they saw
Kevin Wright Australia (Verified User) Posts 5708 Dogs 1 / Races 1 28 Oct 2016 04:33
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John McAlister wrote:
Kevin I can remember the trainee nurses that use to come thru the meatworks and a lot never got past the stick hole they fainted because of what they saw
John I can tell you today that there would be many more men who would faint than women ..
Ok i must be missing something here again ..Lol
You have not met the Women i have then John because they would sit you on your backside as fast as any man could ...
Beware my old friend as you are treading on broken Glass with todays modern women .....And i would love to see one right now give it to you on here ...hahahahah...LOL
Just having some fun John but truly you will be punished by the Boss when she reads your post ...Lol
Jodi Green Australia (Verified User) Posts 12 Dogs 68 / Races 378 28 Oct 2016 07:30
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John McAlister wrote:
Jodi how many dogs have you had an how many have you rehomed
My family raced when i was growing up, so i never actually had one registered in my name, but i have worked in every area of race day proceedings (except race calling and being a steward, but i helped the stewards)... I also worked on my family's property from the time i could walk until i went away to boarding school (on a scholarship i studied my butt off for, not on money from the dogs, as there was none) with the hounds, from whelping, rearing, training...
As for re-homing, i have taken in & re-homed approx 14 hounds in the last couple of years, plus the hounds i have organised to go to other groups (which usually come to me for some time first), then i have also helped with some private re-homings as well... It's not a lot, but at least it is something...
Jodi Green Australia (Verified User) Posts 12 Dogs 68 / Races 378 28 Oct 2016 07:33
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John McAlister wrote:
Jodi Money my friend time is money and some people don't want to spend the time or spend the money so they cut their losses which means they give the dog away sell it for a small sum or large lol or they GAP or put it down. Greyhounds are like us they are not all born with = ability so you are going to get those that are fast that won't chase with other dogs that are fast and do chase which is every owners dream you have those that can just make the grade or the cutoff point and there are those that are not interested or those that are just oo slow. You will often hear the statement that I am only in the dogs for the enjoyment well Jodi there is no enjoyment in having slow dogs or borderline dogs Racing dogs is like every other sport it's about winning no win or place no money ..we are all in it for the same reason Jodi Money luv has nothing to do with it. I will just stop here and say this and it needs to be said by someone otherwise that Circle Highway will appear there is much that could be done to help the dogs that are at the bottom end so they can race for money maybe not as much as TABc or B but less which would give an ABCD track where an A or B dog could not race C or D dogs but winning or placed dogs could be nominated for a B Race Grading is ridiculous and this should work off a Benchmark System where best meet best or near to it and where an A Track winner could not race dogs below 4th grade ...yes so much could be done Slow /er dogs that just don't have it owners should be given the option put them down or GAP them those that find homes is a blessing those that don't well sad I guess ..but have people that can do this job without regret ...not like we have it now Yes so much could be done No Sire should be able to do fozen unless from the Elite Grades and Groups Racing ..Country Cups don't cut it
I completely agree that the grading and the whole system has let down many dogs who may not be the best, but they are good, honest runners that might stand a chance if running against dogs that were more in their league... I would love to see this happen, but i doubt it will. :(
Kevin Wright Australia (Verified User) Posts 5708 Dogs 1 / Races 1 28 Oct 2016 22:07
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Jodi Green wrote:
John McAlister wrote:
Jodi how many dogs have you had an how many have you rehomed
My family raced when i was growing up, so i never actually had one registered in my name, but i have worked in every area of race day proceedings (except race calling and being a steward, but i helped the stewards)... I also worked on my family's property from the time i could walk until i went away to boarding school (on a scholarship i studied my butt off for, not on money from the dogs, as there was none) with the hounds, from whelping, rearing, training...
As for re-homing, i have taken in & re-homed approx 14 hounds in the last couple of years, plus the hounds i have organised to go to other groups (which usually come to me for some time first), then i have also helped with some private re-homings as well... It's not a lot, but at least it is something...
Great post ..Jodi
I warned u John don't go after Women on Social Media because they will rip you apart ..LOL
Yes maybe to some Jodi it is not a lot but if we did not have like mined people like yourself then we would be finished .
I truly do applaud people like yourself who have done it purely for the love and this is why people like yourself need support and funding .
I am sick of hearing the PTB in each State systematically taken down every part of Industry and they have left many of you people out in the cold and the crazy thing i see today happening is that the PTB in Each State continue to EMPLOY people with HIGH PAYING jobs to represent the WELFARE but in fact they have CLOGGED it up with there continuing policies and this has to stop and the money MUST BE USED to help all of the foster and Rehoming Groups ..
I personally would love to see the Millions $$$$ payed each year to these individuals and groups and don't you think the MONEY is better spent on these area's but i am sorry to say that the PTB in Every State have in fact over regulated themselfs and they must now see the money is better spent helping every Foster and Adoption GROUPS Australia wide helping PAY some one's wages ....
Take out 10 workers from the GRV and use that money on REHOMING ... At present we have in place one of the most regulated industry and it is so over POPULATED that if it was a true Business IT WOULD cripple it self with DEPT and it truly does remind me of the days when i was a kid watching 20 MEN dig one HOLE a day when they worked for the old PMG .....
This has to be truly looked at by the Government and us all ..
To be 100% transparent then we must also look at our Regulators and QUESTION what each role every employee plays because without full transparency we have nothing but WORDS ..True or Not
We all get feed propaganda that makes us all feel good but when you take a better look it is only then that your discover what things are really all about .. PS I also have to add that i do not agree with the GRV or any State Greyhound Body in regards to CONTROLLING ...
What gives the GRV or any other Greyhound PTB in every State the RIGHT RIDE SHOTGUN OVER THESE GROUPS ....
Why should these Groups have to now Bow down to you REGULATERs of our Industry ..
Why Should any REHOMING OR FOSTER GROUP now have to beg you all for assistance and why are you trying to now CONTROL all of these Foster and Adoption groups today ....
YOU lot had your chance 3 5 12 months ago in FACT you have had years to WORK with these groups but every one of you who had the power has FAILED US ALL ...
From the small hobby Trainer to the Foster and Adoption groups YOU ALL HAD YEARS TO HELP but you all failed and everyone before you lot all got in to the GRV have failed in your duty and care of out INDUSTRY ...
FAILED ...
You know why i am now taking my soap box over to the PTB ...
One simple reason ..
Failure to help promote the adoption and Foster groups and the failure to help work with as many groups possible and this has will always be the GRV downfall ..
The GRV have no right to try and bring into there policies and guidlines because they HAVE FAILED FOR 20 YEARS to even TRY to help people who adopted and Foster our Hounds ...
Andrew Paraskevas Australia (Verified User) Posts 984 Dogs 55 / Races 22 28 Oct 2016 22:36
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Kevin Wright wrote:
I personally would love to see the Millions $$$$ payed each year to these individuals and groups and don't you think the MONEY is better spent on these area's but i am sorry to say that the PTB in Every State have in fact over regulated themselfs and they must now see the money is better spent helping every Foster and Adoption GROUPS Australia wide helping PAY some one's wages ....
I think this will come (or at least I hope it will).
I believe GRV are somewhat tackling this in the right way at the moment. We have an issue with rehoming, and rather than putting the cart before the horse, they are resolving (or trying to) the cause of the problem, that being over-breeding.
Firstly, they need to stem the cause of the issue with a large number of dogs being bred which don't make the track, have limited careers, don't make the grade, etc etc. All of these issues are being tackled from what I can see. New grading, new meetings, restrictions on breeding, new reforms, etc.
When they get on top of this issue, I do hope we will see them then put their resources into finding homes for the dogs that have been bred. They've already started with the expansion of another GAP facility, and hopefully it only gets bigger and better.
I think they are going about it the right way, and hopefully if we can push through the storm so to speak, we will come out the other end a better industry for it.
Brad Napper Australia (Verified User) Posts 937 Dogs 1 / Races 2 29 Oct 2016 02:52
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A lot of what you have suggested in your post Jodie GRSA do do. There are many things that could be better but it is still a good start. The obvious reason you are getting young dogs is because they cant make the time needed to be competitive. I for one know all about this i have 2 wonderful 2 year olds who simply cant run faster than 31.50 over 515. Yes maybe there box manners could be a little better but this is still not going to bring them to a competitive level, and it isn't just those 2 it was the whole litter from correspondence i have had with other owners.
I don't think the issue is the muzzle Jamie it is the off lead issue.
Also Jodie I do agree the dogs should be socialised more as pups which will probably be a great problem to many big breeders but from my experiences the 3 greys I have the one I kept to 6 months and walked around very populated areas with all sorts of people and dogs is far better as a pet than the other 2 who spent there whole lives on rearing farms until they came home to be trained. They are getting better but they are still very nervous and they fear bark at other dogs. I am not sure what you can do about cats livestock etc because you will have that issue with any dog, my friends kelpie and border collie are just as chase driven to cats and livestock.
p.s grading and race structure is a big issue
Kevin Wright Australia (Verified User) Posts 5708 Dogs 1 / Races 1 29 Oct 2016 04:38
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p.s grading and race structure is a big issue
Brad you are right and i have a very good concept for Grading from a member who has some brilliant idea's and i will pass that on to you if you would like to PM me .
I also have some other information prepared by well known people who have been there done that kind of stuff on a Government level and there is also some very good Legal advice to also go over ..
I will add these documents were prepared for free at no cost and they have more information and content than what we see today that the PTB
Ron Brook Australia (Verified User) Posts 134 Dogs 2 / Races 0 29 Oct 2016 07:59
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This is a highly emotional topic that affects all of us. SO hopefully without raising the hackles of some folk I would like to ale comment in 2 stages. Firstly, I am no different than most people who have to deal with re- homing. At the present moment I have 6 young dogs that I have had to assess as being unsuitable for racing and ease take note that I come from one of the lowest class tracks in Aust. I try to regime the vast majority of my dogs either mine or kennel clients. I also have to be the person who has to make the unenviable decision that some dogs may not be suitable for a longer life. Not once have I asked an owner to make the drive to the vet but I have always carried out this task. Of the 6 pups here at the moment 2 are mine 4 belonging to others. I was told that some would be taken by the re- homers but this hasn't happened within the time frame. Taking the time frame into consideration I now bear the cost of keeping these pups at my own choosing because I did tell owners that their pups were being taken from my property. So that's the first part. Part 2 This may be disturbing to some but needs to be told and this forum was set up for comment, discussion and debate. The area I live in is predominately primary production . The workers on these farms are sometimes locals , predominately backpackers and also different nationalities that are government sponsored to work the seasons and then they go home. A mate of mine is the manager of a property that accommodates all the above worker categories . About 3 weeks ago he shot a wild dog on the property and was dragging it to a burn pile when he was literally set upon by one group of field workers who wanted to know what was going to happen to that animal . I probably don't need to elaborate further but this then brings me to the next part which I guess is Part 3 . Are we all thinking inside the square instead of out side of it. We have a world that is screaming out for protein in some countries and regions . Is it beyond the realms of possibility that our problem could be turned around to become a legitimate business run by the industry and profits made generated back into other re homing options. I have another mate who I was involved with for many years doing overseas trade and these are his words after we had a discussion about this very issue only about a week ago " If you have a product today I will find you a market for it " As a final comment I empathise with everyone about rehoming and I am not ruthless I still have 2 retired dogs that were born , reared , educated and trained from my property and they will die here and a fruit tree will be planted on their graves .
Kevin Wright Australia (Verified User) Posts 5708 Dogs 1 / Races 1 30 Oct 2016 01:36
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Ron ....you have made some very valid points and yes many Country's still today do eat dog and thats a fact and they have done so for Thousands and Thousands of years well before Christ arrived on the scene so who are we to Question this when in fact we are the ignorent one's .
The biggest problem is all of the SO CALLED Western society's believe in MAN BEST FRIEND and this is why this will never be looked at in Australia .
The Greyhound is a Dog and all of the Western societies believe in Mans best friend and this is why we cannot do what you suggest because unlike any other Animal sport you can in fact eat everything but the Dog still remains very sacred to his Owner .
We can in fact start Canine Blood banks in every State .....and i urge the PTB to look at this very closely because this could take in Hundreds of dogs every year.
Ron.... great to see your post on Data and yes you are 100% correct DATA . forum was set up for comment, discussion and debate.
Ron Brook Australia (Verified User) Posts 134 Dogs 2 / Races 0 30 Oct 2016 04:28
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Kevin thanks for your response and input. It's true Western society has issues about other cultures as I am sure that other cultures can't come to grips with how we live.Having said that if Western society feels so strongly about dog being Mans best friend why do we then need RSPCA shelters so has Man in some respects grown tired of Dog. I know this post is about rehoming and perhaps somewhere else we need to talk about Wastage not only within our structure but society in general. We have collection bins in some states for the recycling of plastic and glass SO why can't we recycle. Here is another avenue to think about . What happens to the RSPCA wastage , does it go to land fill or do we still have incinerators like in the old days. Whatever the case there is another market out there for fertilisers such as Blood and Bone. You talk about the blood banks taking hundreds a year our problem is bigger than that and if any of us think that every retired greyhound will find a home when it's racing life or for any other reason then we are deluding ourselves.
Kevin Wright Australia (Verified User) Posts 5708 Dogs 1 / Races 1 30 Oct 2016 07:15
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ron brook wrote:
Kevin thanks for your response and input. It's true Western society has issues about other cultures as I am sure that other cultures can't come to grips with how we live.Having said that if Western society feels so strongly about dog being Mans best friend why do we then need RSPCA shelters so has Man in some respects grown tired of Dog. I know this post is about rehoming and perhaps somewhere else we need to talk about Wastage not only within our structure but society in general. We have collection bins in some states for the recycling of plastic and glass SO why can't we recycle. Here is another avenue to think about . What happens to the RSPCA wastage , does it go to land fill or do we still have incinerators like in the old days. Whatever the case there is another market out there for fertilisers such as Blood and Bone. You talk about the blood banks taking hundreds a year our problem is bigger than that and if any of us think that every retired greyhound will find a home when it's racing life or for any other reason then we are deluding ourselves.
Ron ...It is what it is ..
I've used this phrase, and for me it generally does mean acceptance of or resignation to, a situation that can't be changed. I usually use it regarding a bad, uncomfortable or unpleasant situation. It would be a situation that I can't explain why it happened, or I can't explain what good could come from it.
Graham Moscow Australia (Verified User) Posts 1186 Dogs 0 / Races 0 30 Oct 2016 10:04
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Jodi Green wrote:
Ok, this is a long post, so i apologise in advance.
I see a few problems with re-homing... The biggest being that there are still no media campaigns, promotions of greyhounds as pets or adoptions being done out here at all, except what minor things i can do, which is not much as i am completely self funded and can not afford hundreds or thousands of $$ for tv ads or billboards. I am getting so many of the basic questions when out and about with the hounds, that most groups are not hearing anymore... I even have been asked if greyhounds are ok to be walked on a lead!!!
I have a few suggestions...
1. A massive media campaign and information sessions are needed all over the state (i don't know what issues other states face, so will only talk about NSW)... This needs to promote not only what great pets greyhounds are, but also local adoption groups... Even if just the names are mentioned & i think this needs to come from the governing bodies out of all the fees owners, trainers, breeders etc pay...
2. The process to retire & re-home a dog needs to be simpler, easier etc... I think this should include registering the dog on the NSW Companion Animal Register as part of the retirement process (without another costs)... The dog has already been registered, why do we (adopters, owners keeping hounds or re-homing groups) have to pay again?? This will also help the tracking of all hounds as they transition from racing.
3. My opinion is that the GAP program should be takign more of the hounds who actually need some work or time tofind their new homes... One of the main reasons smaller groups are flat out all te time is because they have houses/kennels full of dogs with varying degrees of issues affecting their ability to be re-homed. This also comes back to owners/trainersor whoever has care of the dog before going for re-homing... More work needs to be done to socialise dogs with other animals (like small dogs, cats, livestock etc... You get the drift). Many times i get dogs into care who act like they have no idea what some animals are, and therefore it causes a negative interaction because they don't know how to behave around that animal.
4. Foster Carers are always an issue for re-homing groups... They are so wide spread that it costs a small fortune to transport dogs into temporary homes! I have been forced to start personally driving dogs all over the state for foster and adoptive homes, as transport is just too expensive!
5. There needs to be more/ better racing options for those dogs who may not necessarily be the fastest dogs, but still perfectly capable of running a race... I see so many dogs retiring, simply because they are no longer competitive with the new/younger hounds coming through & it seems they all end up as the same grade and thereforethe older hounds can't match the younger hounds times and are no longer able to race... There doesn't seem to be a reason why these dogs are retiring exceot that the grading is flawed.
6. This one is more of a suggestion and an idea i am playing with... Not sure how it would all work yet, but maybe local tracks (with an adoption group nearby) could offer the use of the venue to hold a massive adoption day for hounds... Maybe allow owners to bring along hounds for private re-homing (although that could become tricky if hounds did not work out in their new homes)... If an area has several groups nearby, then all the groups could attend and make it a massive adoption day. Calling it something like The Big Greyhound Adopt Out Day... Or something catchy like that... There could be things to entice families to attend, like a jumping castle, face painting, a mini greyhound dog show (with fun categories) to showcase hounds already living as pets... I am open to ideas on this one, as it is just an idea i have rolling around in my head at the moment... I am toying with this idea because we don't have anything like it in regional NSW (Tamworth has a Dog Gala Day, which is for all dogs in the region... But i think something greyhound specific would be good to get more publicity for the breed)... It would also allow those dogs who may not be the best with other animals to attend and have a chance at finding a home (not that i have seen many who are not ok with other dogs at least).
7. Maybe the owners desexing program (see GRNSW website) can be used for owners who are privately re-homing their dogs... Although i don't 100% agree with the condition of passing the GAP test to use it... Why would you use this program if your dog could make it through GAP? Why not just use GAP?
8. Dogs that have been temperement tested and re-homed through a re-homing group should be eligible for a greencollar (muzzle exemption) upon something from the re-homing group, instead of having to go through the greenhound process and pay another fee! Most adopters don't want to pay for the greenhound test and then the collar after paying several hundred dollars to adopt their hound!
Of course, you then have the obvious suggestions, like:
9. GAP need to expand and take on more hounds... 10. GRNSW and the government need to start using more of the money that industry participants pay towards their re-homing policies and welfare strategies... So far, i have not seen any great effort to do this.
Anyone else have any ideas??
Huge thanks Angel Jodie for all 10 valid points and having the courage to post. Angel Jodie is not alone many other rehomers have a similar scenario. This Angel is far from DUMB. I again appeal to all members of race clubs and associated bodies to put this rehoming problem high on their agendas. So many clubs could help with an adopt day out carnival as suggested in above posts. Do nothing and ignore Angel rehomers and we will be paying the consequences. I feel we must do something fast to help support and understand current difficulties these Angel rehomers face Daily. I await race clubs response.
Kevin Wright Australia (Verified User) Posts 5708 Dogs 1 / Races 1 31 Oct 2016 19:26
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To the Passionate one's ....
Over the coming days i will be posting EMAILS that have been sent to me by Passionate Greyhound people who have IDEA'S ...
Some of these emails are dated back as far as there years ago and were either SENT to the GRV or these people have hit BRICK walls in every STATE and these idea's should be considered right now ....
So here is the start..
Hi all.
I think people are starting to get sick and tired of the one dimensional approach GRV are taking with respect to this issue of rehoming.
You are trying to saturate the market with pups looking for homes, yet with what appears to be minimal incentives to grow the market.
I have sent suggestions back as far as 2013 to grow GRVs reach into the breed and not just racing.
It all seems to be falling on deaf ears (refer below).
I really think you need to get moving on this issue and many good people in the industry are considering further involvement. That may be a good thing, but you need to be very careful who remains, not who leaves.
Cheers
Hi Folks,
Just a quick email in terms of GRV and the issues we have all faced with anti racing people and the fools live baiting, and the peripheral issues with the evolvement of societies views and expectations.
In my opinion, GRV need to invest into the Greyhound Breed, and become the leader for the Breed as well as the racing.
By that I mean you need to widen the horizons to more than just racing GRV should become Greyhounds Victoria incorporating new concepts such as Greyhound Shows which is open to all adopted Greyhounds, bringing new opportunities to those Greyhounds that are finished with their racing, enticing more people into Greyhound ownership with something to aspire to with their new adoptee (i.e. incentive to adopt).
GRV need to challenge the concept of just being an organisation to manage racing and open up to whole life cycle of the breed as well as the participants. That means involving itself in post racing activities, welfare initiatives and a wider Membership base inclusive of adoptees of Greyhounds and providing newsletters and information to them as well. That will all come at a cost, but you simply have to embrace it.
The Industry is one dimensional at the moment (solely a Racing entity), but it needs to provide incentives and initiatives for retired Greys to be adopted into the community. GRV cannot espouse the concept of whole of life cycle for our Greyhounds yet itself not take any proactive approach to bring to life that very concept.
Creating a new and invigorative approach to Greyhound life cycles by starting memberships for Greyhound Adoptees, a monthly gazette with stories and upcoming shows, setting aside Prize Money for Greyhound Shows, working with participants to create Clubs for retired Greyhounds etc will all bring to life the whole of Life Cycle approach as opposed to it being a mere concept, with the one dimensional approach of adoption only. In terms of the Greyhound Shows categories can be created such as best presented, best coat, best tricks, most obedient, prizes for different age limits whatever they may be.
It really is time to invest in a wider approach, with GRV embracing the concepts they espouse and putting them into real life. It will create a much larger industry making it bigger and better, with more jobs and membership base and then a greater opportunity for Greyhounds to be adopted (because people will have a reason to adopt one). It creates a direct flow between the Racing lifecycle and the Retirement opportunities.
Its been a very slow process to embrace change, and partly its been achieved with new facilities, more swabs, more Kennel Inspections etc.
The industry will still contain undesirables but you have to weed them out your Kennel Inspections will tell you whos animals are not being looked after get rid of them, as they are interested only in the money.
If we could have Shows for retired Greys,
People have something they can aspire to with their retired Grey, They have multiple competitions the dog can enter providing an interest for people who adopt a Grey, They have a financial reward and incentive to invest in the wellbeing of their Greyhound, The industry can promote itself as having a wider purpose than the racing of the animal, It would generate interest outside of racing, People have an opportunity to get involved with others that adopt their Greyhounds, We are providing a longevity of a dogs career, There would be many people swayed to invest in a retired grey that would not otherwise do so, And most importantly of all, it takes focus away for all the money being allocated to racing. It would assist to counteract the moron greens.
Will leave this with you, but I suspect all the change you are making is great, but its just not enough.
Cheers
Kevin Wright Australia (Verified User) Posts 5708 Dogs 1 / Races 1 31 Oct 2016 19:34
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Please can all of the people who have written EMAILED to there STATE greyhound racing control Boards to please email me your Reply and RESPONCESS
I will not publish your name but i want to show that many of us have been ASKING for REHOMING to take CENTRE stage for years ...
Here is your chance to STAND up and tell the WORLD that many of us have been asking for these REFORMS for YEARS
Please PM here on Data
I have been personally ringing up Agility Clubs over the past Month and other Canine Groups asking them would they like to USE our Centre of our tracks for Special events shows and other Canine originated groups ..
IMAGINE THIS
TIME TRIALS in the Centre of Sandown with the camera and clock running ...
Different classes of dogs and we can even have some Dog pulling and dog Jumping Groups also to get on Board ..
My goal and aim of what i have been personally doing is to try and create a ALL GREYHOUND AGILITY CLUBS at Each Track ...
It is very early days but imagine Greyhounds on Melbourne CUP night in the Centre of SANDOWN running time trials between races with GREYHOUNDS ...
This is a dream i had and i would even like to be part of a Committee to see this come to fruition ..
Have we got any like minded people who would like to form this style of Group and racing ....
I believe we have UNTAPPED resources and many Canine Groups struggle to find space like we have got at every track so why not form new Boards new groups all under the TRACK Name .....
Very simple to create interest when you can train your Greyhound to win Prizes and rewards and truly this would be a great spectacle in a few years time when we have hundreds or Thousands of Greyhound at AGILITY CLUBS AT EACH TRACK with there OWN rules and Committees
We must use the Canine World to help us grow ...
People would come and watch in their Hundreds the KELPIE high Jump just for some fun ..
Hundreds of people turn up to watch the Dog Pulling comps with Am Staffs .. Thousands turn up for Dog Events shows and Agility days ...
Each person pays a fee you win a trophy and a bag of Kibble and away you go without any cost or hassles ....
I believe if say SANDOWN Held a CANINE EVENT they would get Thousands through the gate and it would look like Melbourne Cup Night every time they staged a EVENT for the CANINE WORLD ...
Why have we got these fantastic spaces and we have a Multi Billion $$$$$$ CANINE industry that we can use to create interest and NEW BLOOD and show case our sport to a far wider range of people ...
I would like to stage a huge Canine event at a club and if any Club Managers or any one from the GRV who is reading this please SHOW SOME INTEREST IN THIS ONE ..
I believe we can run our own Canine show at tracks all around Victoria and we would get Thousands of people there and we can SHOW CASE WHY GREYHOUNDS MAKE SUCH GREAT PETS
I am no Einstein but please give me one person in power today WHO CAN SEE THIS
THE same people make the same mistakes YEAR AFTER YEAR WE HAVE BEEN WITNESS TO THE DESTRUCTION OF THE breed and racing and TODAY.. We have the same people in the same positions and we have the same Committees on each club that have been there for years .....
WHY DO WE ALLOW this to happen when in the real World they would of been gone long ago because this all happened on their watch as well ..
ACCOUNTABILITY who answers to who
Kevin Wright Australia (Verified User) Posts 5708 Dogs 1 / Races 1 31 Oct 2016 20:22
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The Australian National Kennel Council (ANKC) approves breed standards for all recognised breeds, and these standards are based on the Standard as adopted by the country from where the breed originated or was developed.
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