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Michael Barry Australia (Verified User) Posts 7402 Dogs 26 / Races 9 01 Feb 2018 01:59
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Michael Barry wrote:
Wade Gallagher wrote:
Sandro Bechini wrote:
John Staines wrote:
I said it a year ago he was a champion race dog now he is a champion stud dog he will be in my opinion as good as brett lee if not better time will tell.
That's a huge call John, but of all sires standing at the moment, my figures show he has had the best start to his career of any young sire since the great dog
With no Brett Lee, Bombastic Shiraz or Just The Bestin his pedigree he is a perfect complement with all the bitches carrying this blood
You could well be right
I too really like how he is ticking over. I also think the Gable Dodge sireline in general is going to kick plenty of goals out here in the coming years.
$5500 coming up lol
ITS now OFFICIAL $5500
Hayden Goody Australia (Verified User) Posts 209 Dogs 0 / Races 0 03 Feb 2018 11:05
Rob Frendo Australia (Verified User) Posts 322 Dogs 1 / Races 0 10 Feb 2018 21:52
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Fernando bale trifecta at the Cranbourne Cup
Michael Barry Australia (Verified User) Posts 7402 Dogs 26 / Races 9 11 Feb 2018 00:03
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Robert Frendo wrote:
Fernando bale trifecta at the Cranbourne Cup
he sure is kicking some goals in all departments , but cant hang too much praise on him ,
it may initiate another price hike LOL
Stephen Francis Australia (Verified User) Posts 360 Dogs 1 / Races 0 11 Feb 2018 03:44
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Michael Barry wrote:
Robert Frendo wrote:
Fernando bale trifecta at the Cranbourne Cup
he sure is kicking some goals in all departments , but cant hang too much praise on him ,
it may initiate another price hike LOL
I am surprised they didn't go straight to $6600. If a dog ever earned it, it is Fernando Bale.
Wade Gallagher Australia (Verified User) Posts 372 Dogs 117 / Races 0 11 Feb 2018 05:02
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Very impressive start for Fernando Bale.
Jason Churchman Australia (Verified User) Posts 153 Dogs 1 / Races 0 14 Feb 2018 06:16
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Has anyone heard if hes had success with any Brett Lee bitches.
Sandro Bechini Australia (Verified User) Posts 19488 Dogs 15268 / Races 1856 14 Feb 2018 06:44
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Goes very well with Brett Lee line bitches
Jason Churchman Australia (Verified User) Posts 153 Dogs 1 / Races 0 14 Feb 2018 06:49
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Im just waiting on my bitch to come on season so thats good.Cant wait fo use him
Jason Churchman Australia (Verified User) Posts 153 Dogs 1 / Races 0 14 Feb 2018 06:50
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Sandro Bechini wrote:
Goes very well with Brett Lee line bitches
Im just waiting on my bitch to come on season so thats good.Cant wait fo use him
Russ Forno Australia (Verified User) Posts 274 Dogs 0 / Races 0 15 Feb 2018 11:53
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Yes, an exceptional start, no denying that. But spend two hours doing research into litters produced. Not the be all end all. Had a magical start to stud career with provided bitches. Don't get carried away. Barcia Bale, same.. Purely a numbers game. It's all about the bitch. The stud , a selling point and adding value. Then the flavour catches on. (Barcia has served more bitches than the great Brett.) Is he a better sire?
Adam Falvo Australia (Verified User) Posts 23 Dogs 0 / Races 0 16 Feb 2018 21:33
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Hear The Drums wins the Richmond Cannonball last night running 22.60
The winners keep on rolling in for him.
Darren Langley Australia (Verified User) Posts 3159 Dogs 12 / Races 0 18 Feb 2018 02:54
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Russ Forno wrote:
Yes, an exceptional start, no denying that. But spend two hours doing research into litters produced. Not the be all end all. Had a magical start to stud career with provided bitches. Don't get carried away. Barcia Bale, same.. Purely a numbers game. It's all about the bitch. The stud , a selling point and adding value. Then the flavour catches on. (Barcia has served more bitches than the great Brett.) Is he a better sire?
Not the be all to end all?? So after your research what did you find?
Hes going as good if not better than any fresh sire going around. Flavours only catch on when stud dogs throw winners after winners which this dog has.
I would have no problem using this dog again even since we have just had a litter broken in and are not chasing properly and will need a lot more work, time.
What I have learned about FB you need to put a lot of time into them when they are young and the ones that chase can bloody run like the wind.
Terry Jordan Australia (Verified User) Posts 6013 Dogs 0 / Races 0 18 Feb 2018 10:28
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Darren Langley wrote:
Russ Forno wrote:
Yes, an exceptional start, no denying that. But spend two hours doing research into litters produced. Not the be all end all. Had a magical start to stud career with provided bitches. Don't get carried away. Barcia Bale, same.. Purely a numbers game. It's all about the bitch. The stud , a selling point and adding value. Then the flavour catches on. (Barcia has served more bitches than the great Brett.) Is he a better sire?
Not the be all to end all?? So after your research what did you find?
Hes going as good if not better than any fresh sire going around. Flavours only catch on when stud dogs throw winners after winners which this dog has.
I would have no problem using this dog again even since we have just had a litter broken in and are not chasing properly and will need a lot more work, time.
What I have learned about FB you need to put a lot of time into them when they are young and the ones that chase can bloody run like the wind.
I have 7 at home Darren, i'm breaking in EASIEST litter I have ever broken in. Then again the Dam had a great temperament.
Raymond Peter Fewings Australia (Verified User) Posts 248 Dogs 0 / Races 0 18 Feb 2018 21:33
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Found it interesting that an experienced breeder told me you need to put a strong bitch to FB. Surprised me as I've seen plenty of strong dogs by him. Thought that was the least of worries.
Matt Griffiths Australia (Verified User) Posts 1954 Dogs 56 / Races 2 18 Feb 2018 21:50
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I think what russ is saying is yes he has had a very good start to a stud career, but it isn't that hard to look good when 60% of the dogs going around are by the one sire and every decent broodie has a litter to him.
Before Fernando the majority were by fabregas or Barcia bale, before that it was Magic Sprite, before that irish sires, before that collision or wheres pedro, before that bombastic shiraz, before that brett lee.
it's just who is the flavour of the month at the time. The next flavour will be American sires (if it already isn't).
Terry Jordan Australia (Verified User) Posts 6013 Dogs 0 / Races 0 18 Feb 2018 21:50
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Raymond Peter Fewings wrote:
Found it interesting that an experienced breeder told me you need to put a strong bitch to FB. Surprised me as I've seen plenty of strong dogs by him. Thought that was the least of worries.
Go with what your Seeing Ray, and your instincts. I'd love to use him again. Read last week where there is a Marathon winning bitch in the bloodlines. Maybe the key strength factor. Jono Campbell is the only person I've heard say, he'll never have another one! Didn't elaborate to much why? IT'S A YES FROM ME! Lol
Matt Griffiths Australia (Verified User) Posts 1954 Dogs 56 / Races 2 18 Feb 2018 21:56
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i'd happily use Fernando bale still, he's convinced me. even though the only litter I've had much to do with by him are a bit gutless, but the broodie was gutless so can't really blame Fernando for that.
Terry Jordan Australia (Verified User) Posts 6013 Dogs 0 / Races 0 18 Feb 2018 22:12
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Matt James wrote:
I think what russ is saying is yes he has had a very good start to a stud career, but it isn't that hard to look good when 60% of the dogs going around are by the one sire and every decent broodie has a litter to him.
Before Fernando the majority were by fabregas or Barcia bale, before that it was Magic Sprite, before that irish sires, before that collision or wheres pedro, before that bombastic shiraz, before that brett lee.
it's just who is the flavour of the month at the time. The next flavour will be American sires (if it already isn't).
Matt: We all know it's a numbers game. Win Group/Races, Million in P/Money, Go to stud, Get the Best bitches. A natural progression that has served this Industry since the beginning. If it's not F/B it's just like you said B/B, Mag/Spr, Fabregas. People try and replicate these dogs racing deeds. Their money their choice. You don't have a flavour of the month, without WINNING heaps of races. Sounds to me like someone would love to use him (F/B) but cant afford him. (Russ not u Matt)
Matt Griffiths Australia (Verified User) Posts 1954 Dogs 56 / Races 2 19 Feb 2018 03:47
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Terry Jordan wrote:
Sounds to me like someone would love to use him (F/B) but cant afford him. (Russ not u Matt)
We don't know that, I personally don't think any sire is worth $5500 in this current climate and wouldn't use him unless I had the right broodie.(but if I had the right broodie it probably doesn't matter who the sire is)
i'll be honest, i've learned my lesson with the flavour of the month sires. I'm not a fan of Barcia Bale, Fabregas or most of the irish sires (only ones worth that were any good were premier fantasy/spiral nikita lines). but I do like magic sprite and have swayed on Fernando bale/American lines.
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