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Michael
Perhaps the reason is obvious
"Some people hear and read what THEY want YOU to say.
Perhaps its so they can Vent / relieve some of their personal stresses??"

You haven't read my post properly, Peter, or perhaps you have interpreted it wrong?
You are guilty of the same offence so you should be able to answer your own question...perhaps?

Remember...
Interpretation leads to Misrepresentation.

Life is similar to a bus ride.
The journey begins when we board the bus.
We meet people along our way of which some are strangers, some friends and some strangers yet to be friends.
There are stops at intervals and people board in.
At times some of these people make their presence felt, leave an impact through their grace and beauty on us fellow passengers while on other occasions they remain indifferent.
But then it is important for some people to make an exit, to get down and walk the paths they were destined to because if people always made an entrance and never left either for the better or worse, then we would feel suffocated and confused like those people in the bus, the purpose of the journey would lose its essence and the journey altogether would neither be worthwhile nor smooth.

Michael
You are confusing YOURSELF more with every sentence
You now have Kevin confused also
I believe the other GD Members are ok

PS
Mick if the bus has windows then yes you are blowing in the wind ..

Kev's Bus Tours has a ring to it i think ...

Most GD members will get it because most can read...funny that.

Have a nice nite.

"Thats probably been the most disappointing thing. The bullying and vilification of both Mark and I and our families by Terry Bailey and his integrity department has been quite incredible."

He said Friday's decision by VCAT to quash the disqualifications highlighted the errors made by Racing Victoria throughout the investigation.

"It has also thrown a light on the behaviour of Racing Victoria. The breaches of rules they in fact have engineered throughout this process."

Ok so we have the same problem with the GRV ....The same issues as quoted above so what happens ...Mr Racing Minister do you step in and fix the problem or do you continue to hide under your ROCK ..

We have bully tactics and Victimisation taking PLACE today in the GRV and i the Integrity Team .

The Welfare team are by far the greatest bunch of hypocrites i have ever met in my 50 years on this Earth AND i COULD GET HUNDREDS OF COMPLAINTS about this Team ..
Secretly hidden Camera's and Microphones on Welfare staff ...There reason is they don't have to tell you but the GRV made it their own LAW to conduct illegally filmed footage and recordings on your PRIVATE premises ....

Most Likely
Push and poke and see what happens with Hundreds of COMPLAINTS handed to the Racing minister from Victorian Racing participants....

Still today we fail to see any real Industry leaders STAND up and demand action ..
WHY IS IT SO

For the people who don't read Social Media ...

Knock yourselves out ..
Danny O'Brien unleashes scathing attack on Racing Victoria chief steward Terry Bailey
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Trainers Danny O'Brien and Mark Kavanagh successfully appeal cobalt disqualifications at VCAT
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I could go on and on about the Action of the Welfare and Integrity team at the GRV and the way they allowed illegal activity to take place over a number of weeks and Months ..
Not stopping things months earlier allowing criminal activity to prosper even after admittance of guilt ...

Things are not going to be shuffled under the Carpet and if Big Al feels he has things under control then i say hey Big Al step outside and and talk to the people you labelled drug cheats and ask them if they feel your TEAM bullied ...Or victimised them at any stage...

Good Morning Vietnam ..

Yes i agree Jack you must keep the wheels on Bus going around and around ..

Peanuts

Dave, our bus driver friend, tells the story of when he was driving a bus load pensioners to Brighton, on a day trip, when he was tapped on his shoulder by a little old lady. She offered him a handful of peanuts, which he happily took and ate. After about 20 minutes, she tapped him on his shoulder again and she handed him another handful of peanuts. The old dear repeated this generous gesture several more times. When she is about to hand him another batch again he decided to ask the little old lady, 'Why don't you and your friends eat the peanuts yourself?' .

'We can't chew them because We've no teeth', she answered.

Dave was puzzled and enquired, 'Then why on earth do you buy them?'

'Oh, we just love the chocolate around them', replied the old lady.

You refer to week-about runs yet many racers turn up much more quickly than that - 2, 3 or 4 days between runs is quite common. In a great many of those cases the dog does not do very well. The only reasonable explanation is that it has not been able to replenish the tank, chemicals or not.

Whether adding something to its diet is useful or not has to be argued against the actual reason for any drop-off in performance - which then relates to its metabolism and other factors.

It is rare to see a dog race really well after short back-ups so why do trainers ask them to do it?

The question is even more acute for stayers with 7 day repeats. My frequent close checks reveal that around 65% of them cannot repeat the previous week's times. It matter little whether they are top dogs or also-rans. For example, Xylia Allen broke the 720m record at Wenty then ran like a busted flush in the final a week later. Etc etc. No Donuts blitzed a good field in a Sandown heat then failed at every subsequent start. As Dr John Kohnke warned, a "gutbuster" can take a lot out of a dog.

In any event, using chemicals for "keeping peak performance" is very risky - after all, that is the prime advantage of EPO.

Incidentally, my observation is that trainers almost never ask top class dogs to back up so quickly. Even in the same kennel, only the lesser lights get asked. (Albeit, Radley Bale had to do it two or three times - even winning a feature race in moderate time when others crashed out).

Interesting...

"It is rare to see a dog race really well after short back-ups so why do trainers ask them to do it?"

The short answer is every dog is different, up to a point,
That point being where the dog stops getting benefit from a training regime and starts to deteriorate from it.

I don't know if you have ever trained, Bruce, but an individual dog will "tell" you when he's had enough of something...you just have to know how to "listen".
There are many trainers who will religiously race their dogs twice a week, some with a fair amount of success.
I see this a lot with 300m - 400m sprinters and they seem to get away with it pretty well.
An interesting question is...Would those dogs win more races running once a week.
My guess is probably not.
Short course circular racing is usually packed with interference, especially corner starts.
Unless a dog gets a clear run where he can extend and exert maximum effort EVERY run, the chances of it going flat through over-exertion might not be as common as you think.
Having said that, if a dog does get a few clear 'gutbusting' runs in a row, there is every chance that dog will fatigue.
It's near impossible to gauge accurately from a spectator's point of view why a dog's form has dropped off.
It could be because of many reasons apart from fatigue, ie-interference, injury, sickness...
There would be only one person who would know for sure and that is the trainer and you would hope, if the form lapse is from fatigue, he would ease up.
Some dogs thrive on a busy regime, some just don't...up to the trainer to figure out which.

Personally, I train for hopeful longevity.
As a rule, I train mostly for myself, so there is no pressure from owners.
Most of dogs I train race once a week, whether that be 300, 400, 500 or more.
I believe in the old saying that each dog has only X amount of races in it.(including trials)
Who knows how many that is for each individual but there will come a day when the dog has had enough through disinterest or injury. I prefer that day to be as far in the future as possible.
Having said that, I have run a dog twice a week on rare occasions to mix his routine up, but only temporarily.
For 500m racing and beyond I'll stick pretty well religiously to once a week as I feel the recuperation period is longer...always the exception and again, the trainer will hopefully know.

Interesting if you go back in time to when heats and finals were run in the same day and check to see if the heat winners failed in the final?
The Greyhound is a complete contradiction for mine...so fragile, yet so tough.
Aaah, those were the days when men were men and their dogs were tougher than tough.
With bugger all 'must have chemical flushes, buffers, and revitalisers' too!

"In any event, using chemicals for "keeping peak performance" is very risky - after all, that is the prime advantage of EPO."

I feel you are about to enter into an entertaining debate with our resident Chemist.
Good luck with that.

I have a Question ..anyone can answer ...lol

If you train 40 plus Greyhounds are you automatically considered a good trainer .
Or do you start to look at TURNOVER and the amount of dogs these big kennels turnover each year .and then say they are PRO' Trainers ...

First, I keep stating I am not expert in the care of the greyhound, far from it. But I can count and I can and do analyse what happens on the track. The numbers don't lie although the reasons for them may be varied.

You say "Some dogs thrive on a busy regime, some just don't...up to the trainer to figure out which". No doubt - just like people. However, the public (and stewards) expect the dog to be presented in tip top order for which we have to put our trust in the trainer.

My point is that (a) the evidence shows that that does not always happen when short back-ups are involved, doubly so with stayers, and (b) relying on additives to maintain that order is an unreliable process as no two trainers will adopt the same practices.

The staying question is the most extreme as it at the far end of the greyhound's capability. My detailed checks show that trainers big and small all subscribe to the 7 day turnaround - often they have no choice in respect to feature series - yet the majority are proved poor judges. Or, put another way, they may or may not believe that their dog will perform just as well the second time around but the facts are that most of the time their dogs fail.

Therefore, it seems that this occurs regardless of anything extra in the dog's diet.

The remaining question is how does the trainer "figure out which". By looking? By eating up well? By blood tests? Or what?

In the final analysis, this fitness question forces a sensible punter to ignore that second-up race.

There may be marginal differences for dogs running shorter trips, there is also the question of how much trialling was involved (unknown to the punter but trainers' preferences vary too), and as you say dogs vary in robustness.

Greyhound racing's biggest challenge today is that it has all become too hard to pick - fitness, trialling, racing frequency, interference, low quality dogs and crook tracks - so genuine punters are dropping off like flies. Hence the industry's reliance on mugs in pubs, who have no idea how to read a formguide so they just use their thumb!

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WTF are you on about, go piss up ya hind leg, I didn't mention short turnarounds..Who gives a ^#@K about "genuine punters" you can all crawl up a funnel, the little punter will keep us going...

Wait for the return Serve Mal ...lol

This topic has so many twist and turns but it's interesting to see everyone's point of view ..
I don't think we have had a post removed so we must be all playing by the rules so that's great to see ..

Mal ...Bruce is just a greenhorn Mate here on Data so we should go easy ...lol

Go Piss up ya hind leg .....is a classic i am still laughing writing this ...hahahah

Bully tactics accusations

Intimidation accusations

Lack of understanding....

Most Likely

Illegal activity by Integrity Most Likely lie's but who knows these days with so much FAKE NEWS ...

Social Media sacked Governments and i keep reminding myself this every day .... Social Media is the voice for all Greyhound participants...

No Kev, I don't like wanker owners or punters telling me how I should train,I know the dog, up at 5am and some nights not getting into bed until 1am, 7 days a week, so don't need there shit..!!

Bruce Teague can handle himself with the best
A Journalist/Analyst with a lot of experience
Bruce a Greenhorn??
Bruce you will find only a few will make you feel unwelcome on GD however as I have found there are many many members who choose not to get tangled up in the web but appreciate what you have to say.
I know because they message me and email me for assistance with their issues

Bruce will have as many friends as the snake oil salesman who's trying to tell the trainers his way of feeding is the best and that's not many...

Big small it don't matter even one is treated the same so stop WHining like a little girl pete and fire back within the rules ..

The facts are you will never please everyone and the people who sit on the fence all the time are a waste of time .

We don't sit hear blowing smoke up Journalist back sides and as i said DEBATE and Educate and Peter if i told you also i get a shit load of support from people as well so don't inflate your tyres just yet ..

Every person who posts has had crap fired at them and if you are not prepared to cop criticism then go back to your news paper articles Peter ,,

Social Media today is about interaction ...If you post it expect debate ..

The times of a Journalist are GONE we dont need them and everyone on social Media is the news we don't need arm chair punters telling us how and what to do with OUR GREYHOUNDS and regardless of standing SOCIAL MEDIA will spank you so hard that you will feel gutted but hey there's always another day ....

Iff you want to post what you want and walk away then Join the Professional Guys because they are classics for posting and running .

I am sick of people especially so called Sports Journos trying to ram down bullsh1t and as i said I am social media JOURNO as well its a SELF TITLE i gave myself .....lol

I have put out more material on Social Media over the past 12 months than any other person and do i sit here with my big head bragging at my achievement...lol

If you don't want replies to posts then piss off and dont even read the topics..

People love debate conjecture and a bit of shit stirring and if you think SOCIAL media is a waste of time then stay in the PAST use your out dated newspaper Journos .

People love reading Greyhound Data and the facebook side of it is only a very small portion of our true Member numbers .

People come and go and like shit on a brick wall i will be hanging around ..

Mel.. I agree but it looks like we have to tread softly because they have never experienced a true open debate in public before and they used to just Print articles thinking we believed in what they were saying but most times it's the old hip pocket talking for a majority of the complainers ....

We can get enough information between ourselves without outside influence affecting TRUE JOURNALISM

My experience HAS BEEN YEARS OF DEBATE and conjecture and today i can make any one sit up and listen just like every other person who posts on Social Media ...

I agree MEL we cannot ever let the PUNTER DECIDE our fate of all people and the Greyhound Journalists got it so wrong recently they now are back tracking so don't come on here Pete telling us who you are or Bruce is because HERE YOU ARE EQUAL standing with the rest of us

so DONT FORGET THAT because this is not some propaganda machine here to protect those that want to TAKE EVERYTHING FROM US ..

Here nothing is hidden your are fully exposed and if you dont like then piss off back to your newspaper articles and there no one can fire back ...