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Steven Martin Australia (Verified User) Posts 7681 Dogs 180 / Races 66 09 Mar 2017 08:11
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At tonight's Albion Park Greyhound race meeting, which might I add is the PREMIER RACE MEETING of the week in Queensland...a Class 1, sees 10 races as per usual....BUT.
Races 1 & 2 which are both "Novice" events & are for young pups that have only won a maiden race, have only received enough starters to fulfill just 7 of the 8 boxes in each race (Box 5 is vacant).
For the remaining 8 races on the meeting sees just 2 dogs covering ALL REVERSE positions..out of 16 chances.
Looks like the shortage regarding the breeding of pups has officially begun.
Michael Barry Australia (Verified User) Posts 7402 Dogs 26 / Races 9 09 Mar 2017 08:57
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steven martin wrote:
At tonight's Albion Park Greyhound race meeting, which might I add is the PREMIER RACE MEETING of the week in Queensland...a Class 1, sees 10 races as per usual....BUT.
Races 1 & 2 which are both "Novice" events & are for young pups that have only won a maiden race, have only received enough starters to fulfill just 7 of the 8 boxes in each race (Box 5 is vacant).
For the remaining 8 races on the meeting sees just 2 dogs covering ALL REVERSE positions..out of 16 chances.
Looks like the shortage regarding the breeding of pups has officially begun.
well steve i guess it had to show at some stage ,, but i think most thought late 2017 not early 2017
as posted the other day ,, they already know in vic , a serious shortage is already here ,,
the shortage is at the track GAP is overflowing so no shortage there ,, 2/3 month waiting list to get a dog in
Steven Martin Australia (Verified User) Posts 7681 Dogs 180 / Races 66 09 Mar 2017 09:32
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The shortage was always going to start up here first Mick.
Qld might have been, or should I say WERE the 3rd most activity State in Australia regarding pups bred & racing......but we still need cast-offs from down your way to make ends meet due to the strength of your State.
That combined with the lack of breeding due to a hand full of reasons including the stupid 80%, 80%, %60 rule & the lies from the State Government (which will cost them shortly) for nearly 9 years regarding a promised new track, have resulted in the Greyhound State of Queensland to suffer first, out of all States in Australia.
You Mexicans will be right for at least another 15 month, possible forever, as your State regarding greyhounds is the place to be & will be the LAST to ever suffer.....But that won't happen due to the big plan that's been already determined behind closed doors by Government.
Ben George (Verified User) Posts 716 Dogs 2 / Races 2 09 Mar 2017 10:15
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The amount of extended nominations in Victoria has been growing by the month,they are struggling to fill fields and have been for quite sometime. Imo I don't think the breeding restrictions have had any effect on fields in Qld whatsoever.........it's too early, it's more likely the fact that many are fed up with incompetence at the higher level. They are forcing ( and in many cases rightly so) On the ground roots participants to be more professional but they themselves Qgr and nswgr are far from professional themselves.
Steven Martin Australia (Verified User) Posts 7681 Dogs 180 / Races 66 09 Mar 2017 10:25
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Ben George wrote:
Imo I don't think the breeding restrictions have had any effect on fields in Qld whatsoever
Until now.
Ben George wrote:
it's more likely the fact that many are fed up with incompetence at the higher level.
Which obviously contributes to the breeding pool.
Ben George wrote:
but they themselves Qgr and nswgr are far from professional themselves.
Couldn't agree more Ben from my experiences (with QLD) in the past year or so.
Like I said.......The SHORTAGE has begun.
Ben George (Verified User) Posts 716 Dogs 2 / Races 2 09 Mar 2017 11:13
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Yes Steve your right but you forgot to mention the "pups" part "Looks like the shortage regarding the breeding of pups has officially begun." Just a question how can the restrictions be having any effect on fields now? If they are short now look out in 12months time. The breeding restrictions can't possibly have an effect on fields today
Steven Martin Australia (Verified User) Posts 7681 Dogs 180 / Races 66 10 Mar 2017 00:25
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Ben George wrote:
Just a question how can the restrictions be having any effect on fields now?
Fair question Ben...& to make it easy to gauge that comment is quite simple for me, by stating the following.
I bred 2 litters right when the sh1t hit the fan back in early 2015......That's when the breeding across the nation slowed dramatically. Those 2 litters are now approaching 2 years which alerts me immediately to when the shortage of young pups reaching racing age will begin.
The 2 races that I pointed out last night that contained vacant boxes, just happen to be for youthful inexperienced greyhounds namely "Novice" events.
Even race 1 at Ipswich Saturday night a 520m Maiden will go around with just 6 starters.
Coincidence? Maybe but I think not.
I think we're just starting to feel the ramifications (especially up here in Qld) that started 2 years ago.....JMO.
Cheers
Steven Martin Australia (Verified User) Posts 7681 Dogs 180 / Races 66 13 Jul 2017 08:54
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Tonight's fields at Albion Pk - Class 1.
10 races.
6 races - full field + 2 reserves. 1 race - full field - no reserves. 3 races - 7 runners.
With the LACK of dogs being bred over the last 24 months, the grading system needs an URGENT OVERHAUL in QLD before 520m TOP GRADE dogs are sidelined, or forced to be transferred to interstate trainers.
If you've had experience within the industry for 20 PLUS years, you don't have to be Einstein to work out we're closing in on a crisis in this area.......but I doubt the're any in power that can see E = mc2.
Darren Langley Australia (Verified User) Posts 3159 Dogs 12 / Races 0 13 Jul 2017 09:43
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I don't think you needed to be genius to work that out.
Breeding is starting to pick yes it will take a few years. For those who kept breeding they will reap the rewards.
Graham Haswell Australia (Verified User) Posts 50 Dogs 1 / Races 5 13 Jul 2017 19:35
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Darren I dealt with Qld Greyhound breeders on a daily basis for 30 years and the things that motivated those people was the the hope of breeding that champion or just the anticipation of breeding a better than average litter that would go to the races and pay their way. QRIC and RQ have imposed all these new restrictions, rules, impositions, increased fees and charges that make it impossible for those thinking of breeding a litter in this state without a large $$$$ bank unrealistic. The hope of getting a return for your time effort and $$ outlay just isn't there. Confidence in the Industry and its Administration going forward is at a all time low. Why would you bother !!
The 2 other codes have Breeding Incentives while the Greyhound breeders get zilch..
What does that tell you , do they even want us . ! !
Darren Langley Australia (Verified User) Posts 3159 Dogs 12 / Races 0 13 Jul 2017 21:46
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Ben George wrote:
Yes Steve your right but you forgot to mention the "pups" part "Looks like the shortage regarding the breeding of pups has officially begun." Just a question how can the restrictions be having any effect on fields now? If they are short now look out in 12months time. The breeding restrictions can't possibly have an effect on fields today
I agree with you Ben.
I think you will find breeding didn't declined until mid 2016. We got a bitch late 2016 from NSW when things looked really bad.
I think we will feel the real effects 2018-2019. For those who have bred in the past 6-12 months you could be sitting on gold.
Michael Floyd Australia (Verified User) Posts 803 Dogs 0 / Races 0 13 Jul 2017 22:46
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More individual dogs are being nominated in Victoria now than ever. The breeding crunch is 12 months away, pretty good time now to jump in and breed a litter or two
More individual dogs are being nominated in Victoria now than ever. The breeding crunch is 12 months away, pretty good time now to jump in and breed a litter or two
Michael
Do you find that owners/trainers are deferring retirement of their dogs and racing them on for longer?
Ryan Vanderwert Australia (Verified User) Posts 5957 Dogs 8 / Races 0 13 Jul 2017 22:58
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steven martin wrote:
..... With the LACK of dogs being bred over the last 24 months, the grading system needs an URGENT OVERHAUL in QLD before 520m TOP GRADE dogs are sidelined, or forced to be transferred to interstate trainers......
I think they'll be coming back from here Steven when people learn unless they are elite on pace runners they are given little to no chance to win races anymore.
Darren Langley Australia (Verified User) Posts 3159 Dogs 12 / Races 0 13 Jul 2017 23:50
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Michael Floyd wrote:
More individual dogs are being nominated in Victoria now than ever. The breeding crunch is 12 months away, pretty good time now to jump in and breed a litter or two
Totally agree.
Steven Martin Australia (Verified User) Posts 7681 Dogs 180 / Races 66 14 Jul 2017 01:17
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Darren Langley wrote:
I think you will find breeding didn't declined until mid 2016.
I think you'll find you are totally & utterly wrong.
Unless you've done the figures, your only guessing....and I know your guessing.
Keep breeding.
Darren Langley Australia (Verified User) Posts 3159 Dogs 12 / Races 0 14 Jul 2017 01:28
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steven martin wrote:
Darren Langley wrote:
I think you will find breeding didn't declined until mid 2016.
I think you'll find you are totally & utterly wrong.
Unless you've done the figures, your only guessing....and I know your guessing.
Keep breeding.
Well show us the Australian breeding figures per month from Jan 2015 till the end of 2016.
Very simple......
Terry Jordan Australia (Verified User) Posts 6013 Dogs 0 / Races 0 14 Jul 2017 01:39
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Took a bitch in today to be AI'd, $5.5K for straw,$700 Insemination Just the beginning (Of Costs). Am I excited? No bloody stressed. (Have I made the right move, investing in Greyhound Racing) when confidence in the future is at an all time low.
Darren: Less Dogs equates to less races, less tracks! Goldmine?
Steven Martin Australia (Verified User) Posts 7681 Dogs 180 / Races 66 14 Jul 2017 01:46
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Ryan Vanderwert wrote:
I think they'll be coming back from here Steven when people learn unless they are elite on pace runners they are given little to no chance to win races anymore.
True & that has always been the way....But the grading system is designed to keep dogs in 5th / 4th grade, which is good for participants & for a return on there investment.....But that was when plenty of dogs were around & coming through. With less dogs, you'll have less progressing forward to top grade which will create another problem. My crystal ball is telling me the grading system on class 1 & 2 tracks in Qld need reviewing now imo.
Steven Martin Australia (Verified User) Posts 7681 Dogs 180 / Races 66 14 Jul 2017 01:48
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Darren Langley wrote:
Well show us the Australian breeding figures per month from Jan 2015 till the end of 2016.
Very simple......
I already have Einstein. You obviously don't pay attention. Do a search.
Do you have questions about greyhound racing?
