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Bruce Teague
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Glenn,

You could be right. However, long testing of 2nd sectionals and run home times reveal they are very poor predictors of a dog's ability to perform over a longer trip. That goes double for 700m racing.


Steve Bennie
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05 Jul 2018 01:03


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Maitland today have a 4 dog race and 6 dog race and three years ago in the hunter it was hard to get a draw.

I had the GRNSW inspectors last week at my place and they were shocked, two years ago there was 38 dogs on the property NOW NONE and I told them the BULLSH&T rules are killing everyone.




Terry Jordan
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05 Jul 2018 02:20


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STEVE BENNIE wrote:

Maitland today have a 4 dog race and 6 dog race and three years ago in the hunter it was hard to get a draw.

I had the GRNSW inspectors last week at my place and they were shocked, two years ago there was 38 dogs on the property NOW NONE and I told them the BULLSH&T rules are killing everyone.


Read the Strategic Plan Steve! Many Many more will follow suit.
I'm sure they have had "Deloittes", "Waterhouse-Price" etc do feasibility studies on how long the "Bank" will last Steve.
Hold off divulging anything to AFTER the next election. TRANSPARENCY I believe it's called. (Collusion between GRNSW & GOVT)
I must be wrong! Toole & Barilaro both stated they fully support Greyhound Racing, and propose a VIBRANT, SUSTAINABLE future for us all! Bloody echo, VIBRANT & SUSTAINABLE, VIBRANT & SUSTAINABLE, VIBRANT & SUSTAINABLE..........I like this one "Show Me The Money"


Kev Galloway
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05 Jul 2018 05:45


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The Liberal Nationals will do everything in their power to advantage the thoroughbred industry,hence the ban,greyhounds only chance of a fair go is a Labour government reliant on SFF preferances.remember Labour on their own wouldn't implement the Cameron Report.



Johnathon Campbell
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05 Jul 2018 07:13


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kev galloway wrote:

The Liberal Nationals will do everything in their power to advantage the thoroughbred industry,hence the ban,greyhounds only chance of a fair go is a Labour government reliant on SFF preferances.remember Labour on their own wouldn't implement the Cameron Report.

Labour your joking surely?
They are anti agriculture and anything animals and are aligned with the greens they will destroy Australia for the city persons vote.
The Shooters and Fishers are about as good as we can get these days.



Steven Martin
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05 Jul 2018 10:29


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Agree John.
You only gotta look at what happened to Greyhound racing in Canberra, while Labor were at the helm. Dirty dogs.


Bruce Teague
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06 Jul 2018 00:25


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Steven,

Facts, please. CBR Labor is in power only because of Greens support, which they offered on the non-negotiable condition that government canned the dogs.

Labor was weak but it was the Greens that did the damage.

Kev, there is no point in blaming the Libs as such. The ban was a personal move by Baird (and Grant) which they then thumped through the party and the cabinet on a put-up or shut-up basis, supported by crook McHugh information (on which the Auditor General called Baird's bluff). A handful did not like that, voted against it, and got demoted at the next opportunity. Toole spoke and voted for the ban so he got a promotion to Racing Minister. The public was not impressed and so voted for SFF in Orange. Grant then got sacked as leader. We have no idea where Gladys will push now.

They are as bad as each other so the industry has no choice but to (a) go direct to the public and (b) try to influence as many MPs as possible.

The pundits reckon the next election is 50/50. I disagree. I don't think Foley cuts the mustard. 4/6 Lib/Nats. You have to deal with both but don't alienate the Libs.



Terry Jordan
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06 Jul 2018 01:02


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Bruce Teague wrote:

Steven,

Facts, please. CBR Labor is in power only because of Greens support, which they offered on the non-negotiable condition that government canned the dogs.

Labor was weak but it was the Greens that did the damage.

Kev, there is no point in blaming the Libs as such. The ban was a personal move by Baird (and Grant) which they then thumped through the party and the cabinet on a put-up or shut-up basis, supported by crook McHugh information (on which the Auditor General called Baird's bluff). A handful did not like that, voted against it, and got demoted at the next opportunity. Toole spoke and voted for the ban so he got a promotion to Racing Minister. The public was not impressed and so voted for SFF in Orange. Grant then got sacked as leader. We have no idea where Gladys will push now.

They are as bad as each other so the industry has no choice but to (a) go direct to the public and (b) try to influence as many MPs as possible.

The pundits reckon the next election is 50/50. I disagree. I don't think Foley cuts the mustard. 4/6 Lib/Nats. You have to deal with both but don't alienate the Libs.


Don't alienate the Libs? Why? Gladys was Treasurer in asino Mike's Cabinet Bruce. Casino Mike put in place practices, strategies, people, Bruce to bring this Industry to it's knees before Execution. Glayds & Toole, Barilaro have sat back and WATCHED Casino Mike's plan unfold, unimpeded! PLEASE BRUCE!!


Terry Jordan
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06 Jul 2018 08:19


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Under the new GRNSW COP, closing tracks and utilising more meetings at one track, will require the same Dogs to race more often! Surely this will become a welfare issue?
Offering Track Facilities for Community uses? Canteen? Bar? Clean/up? Insurances? Glass on track? Holes dug? Boxes Tampered with?....Are they for real?
Appoint "Business Development Managers" Who's budget? Wages? Area's?...Surely one could cover the State?
Grow the Product! 6 dog fields? Trialled at Lismore & Grafton FAILLED! Just as much interference, and would cause LESS BETTING activity.
Centres of Excellence: Planning for the long term! Keep dreaming?
Make Community Engagement in Country Area's: Yeah Close their local track! (But we gave you a travel Subsidy to now travel the extra 300km, to win $270 if lucky enough).
Have the BIGGEST RACE IN AUST IN SYDNEY!!! WOW!! WHY?? IDIOTIC!!
Lets spread the cream as far as we can in this State! Introduce Country Cups again, Country Championships, Local Derbies, Country v City. DONT get involved with even trying to beat Victoria. Leave that to V'Landy's, he is still peeling Egg of his face!
Sorry for going of subject.



Steven Martin
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06 Jul 2018 10:21


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Bruce Teague wrote:

Steven,

Facts, please. CBR Labor is in power only because of Greens support, which they offered on the non-negotiable condition that government canned the dogs.

Labor was weak but it was the Greens that did the damage.


Yes, we ALL know that Labor were rimming Green slime Bruce. But the facts are Labor were in power in the ACT when the dogs were killed off. It was their call so they can stick it where the sun don't shine. The other mob can too.
That's why SFFP won Orange and the Redhead keeps raising her head up from time to time. The people have had enough of CASH 4 VOTE.
For the life of me, why can't LNP & LAB vote TOGETHER for what is right instead of making backdoor deals with those that are fake?
The country looks like it's doomed if something doesn't happen soon, but it's good to see Abbott & Barnaby put some pressure on commonsense over the last week.
Let's get back on topic.



Johnathon Campbell
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06 Jul 2018 23:15


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steven martin wrote:

Bruce Teague wrote:

Steven,

Facts, please. CBR Labor is in power only because of Greens support, which they offered on the non-negotiable condition that government canned the dogs.

Labor was weak but it was the Greens that did the damage.


Yes, we ALL know that Labor were rimming Green slime Bruce. But the facts are Labor were in power in the ACT when the dogs were killed off. It was their call so they can stick it where the sun don't shine. The other mob can too.
That's why SFFP won Orange and the Redhead keeps raising her head up from time to time. The people have had enough of CASH 4 VOTE.
For the life of me, why can't LNP & LAB vote TOGETHER for what is right instead of making backdoor deals with those that are fake?
The country looks like it's doomed if something doesn't happen soon, but it's good to see Abbott & Barnaby put some pressure on commonsense over the last week.
Let's get back on topic.

Labour will destroy anything animal for the support of the greens and the inner city vote.
Thats the fact.
They recently tried to destroy outback school of the air and they support the Greens so a vote for labour is a vote for the Greens.


Roger Spry
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09 Jul 2018 05:17


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STEVE BENNIE wrote:

Maitland today have a 4 dog race and 6 dog race and three years ago in the hunter it was hard to get a draw.

I had the GRNSW inspectors last week at my place and they were shocked, two years ago there was 38 dogs on the property NOW NONE and I told them the BULLSH&T rules are killing everyone.

Northam july 12th, 7 races only . 5 are over the shorts
empty boxes at most meetings. what is going on, how long before they have a five race card.





Steve Bennie
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09 Jul 2018 09:25


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Roger it's no better in NSW, Wednesday at WENTY 6, 7 dog racers and 1, 5 dog race and the clowns in the bunker think there doing a good job they have no idea.


Bruce Teague
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10 Jul 2018 00:04


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Steve,

"Roger it's no better in NSW, Wednesday at WENTY 6, 7 dog racers and 1, 5 dog race and the clowns in the bunker think there doing a good job they have no idea".

True, but weaknesses at Wenty were present well before live baiting and the breeding drop-off was there prior to 2015. Post-2015 experience just made it worse.

The overall trend is well illustrated by the above Northam example, which is one of only two WA tracks operating at the moment. WA, which has no live baiting history, has also increased races over the shorts and is desperate for more higher grade dogs. In Victoria, the city "Provincial" meetings often have short fields or only 10 or 11 races, while the main meetings are padded out with Maidens and Novices - ditto in Brisbane. Longer races in SA are short of numbers (and quality).

It all adds up to two things: fewer dogs are up to 520m standard and there are not enough in total anyway. Neither happened overnight but are long term trends.

So find out why. Conduct proper research. Don't kid yourself that Fernando Bale, Barcia Bale & co will fix the world on their own. Then make corrections to overcome the faults.

All of which is why GRNSW needs to rewrite its waffly Strategic Plan. You can't get good answers if you don't understand the question. You can't get good racing if you spend all your time worrying about welfare and little else. You can't achieve success if you concentrate on scaring the pants off trainers. You won't win by expending all your effort on a "World Class" event and ignoring the need to promote solid week to week 5th Grades.

The core of the production side of this business is the bloke with half a dozen dogs and occasional wins to cover expenses and put some food on the table. The core of the income side is a knockabout bloke who understands a bit about racing and knows a good dog or a good race when he sees one.

Look after the grass roots and the rest will follow.

(Does anybody remember the days when a trainer would crawl over broken glass just to get a draw at Wenty? I do. Did anyone ever organise a pool car to take the four of you 100km down to Wenty to bet on a Monday night meeting (as it then was). I did. There's a perspective for you).



Terry Jordan
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10 Jul 2018 01:24


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Bruce Teague wrote:

Steve,

"Roger it's no better in NSW, Wednesday at WENTY 6, 7 dog racers and 1, 5 dog race and the clowns in the bunker think there doing a good job they have no idea".

True, but weaknesses at Wenty were present well before live baiting and the breeding drop-off was there prior to 2015. Post-2015 experience just made it worse.

The overall trend is well illustrated by the above Northam example, which is one of only two WA tracks operating at the moment. WA, which has no live baiting history, has also increased races over the shorts and is desperate for more higher grade dogs. In Victoria, the city "Provincial" meetings often have short fields or only 10 or 11 races, while the main meetings are padded out with Maidens and Novices - ditto in Brisbane. Longer races in SA are short of numbers (and quality).

It all adds up to two things: fewer dogs are up to 520m standard and there are not enough in total anyway. Neither happened overnight but are long term trends.

So find out why. Conduct proper research. Don't kid yourself that Fernando Bale, Barcia Bale & co will fix the world on their own. Then make corrections to overcome the faults.

All of which is why GRNSW needs to rewrite its waffly Strategic Plan. You can't get good answers if you don't understand the question. You can't get good racing if you spend all your time worrying about welfare and little else. You can't achieve success if you concentrate on scaring the pants off trainers. You won't win by expending all your effort on a "World Class" event and ignoring the need to promote solid week to week 5th Grades.

The core of the production side of this business is the bloke with half a dozen dogs and occasional wins to cover expenses and put some food on the table. The core of the income side is a knockabout bloke who understands a bit about racing and knows a good dog or a good race when he sees one.

Look after the grass roots and the rest will follow.

(Does anybody remember the days when a trainer would crawl over broken glass just to get a draw at Wenty? I do. Did anyone ever organise a pool car to take the four of you 100km down to Wenty to bet on a Monday night meeting (as it then was). I did. There's a perspective for you).


Your BEST yet Bruce! Beginning to see you in a different light.
Spoken like a good old fashioned trainer. Not a disgruntled Punter.
Keep it up. (I remember watching old footage of Trainers & Dogs going to the races on Trains! Melb I think?)


Bruce Teague
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10 Jul 2018 04:08


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Terry,

Trains - possibly Melbourne but certainly Gosford and Dapto plus card games en route. 5 pm trains out of Central went to both.

And I have never been a "disgruntled" punter, and hopefully never old fashioned. Dissatisfied, yes, retired, yes, but only because the product has been stuffed by experts. Otherwise I would still be filling out a ticket as they carried me out.

Anyway, my grass roots solution is just a stolen thought - every decent sport does it. Those that don't will lose - ie Rugby and greyhounds. Those that do will win - see Penrith RL, or the Swans Academy, for example. Perhaps we could put Gus Gould and Tony Lockett in charge?



Roger Spry
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05 Aug 2018 19:05


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Cannington, Monday August 6th

8 race card

1 520 mts

7 over the shorts

no 600 mts

no 715 mts

i ask , what has gone wrong with Greyhound racing in Australia

why are more dogs starting of at 200-1 or bigger every day

i follow the betting day in and day out. more money is going on the Greyhounds than ever before, good to see the prize money going up in WA


Ian Bradshaw
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05 Aug 2018 22:19


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roger spry wrote:

Cannington, Monday August 6th

8 race card

1 520 mts

7 over the shorts

no 600 mts

no 715 mts

i ask , what has gone wrong with Greyhound racing in Australia

why are more dogs starting of at 200-1 or bigger every day

i follow the betting day in and day out. more money is going on the Greyhounds than ever before, good to see the prize money going up in WA

Roger,
Apart from only being an 8 race card, both of the 2 maiden races have 2 vacant boxes each.
The only race beyond 380m, has 1 vacant box.


Sandro Bechini
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05 Aug 2018 22:28


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There are a lot of older dogs racing these days


John Quarman
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Albion Park Qld Monday and Wednesday are really struggling for noms if nothing is done it's only going to get worse until we lose a time slot.Here's some ideas that I hope are seen as constructive.
They need northern rivers participants noms. To encourage this Monday night first thing is to get the meeting moved to start around 5pm this will allow people who have travelled to get home at a reasonable hour.Next is prize money Get maiden and 5th grade finals to be double, look at reinstating 4th place prize money.Look at more novelty events like versatility series run over 2 or 3 distances, take a leaf from the horses and run age events under 2years, 2years ,3 years and over 4 years can be run over all distances on seperate nights add a little extra to prize money.Something has to change or it's all down the gurgler from here.No critisism just some ideas that may help

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