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Simon Moore
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20 May 2019 06:54


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DISGRACEFUL!

maybe those in charge should scrap the ridiculous rules and regulations and promote breeding instead of resorting to these measures.





Steven Martin
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20 May 2019 07:48


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If the premier race track (in NSW) can't fill 10 races then track closures are near.


Sandro Bechini
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20 May 2019 08:28


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bill deguara wrote:

Sandro Bechini wrote:

Haven't seen 9 races at Wenty on a Wednesday for a long time

2 x 280m
2 x 720m (1-3)
5 x 520m

Maybe they should look at putting on 520m maidens on a Wednesday night with extra prizemoney to bolster fields

Sandro I beleive they are introducing 270 metre racing at the GARDENS FROM JULY 1.

What a Fu@&ing surprise!!!

Why don't they just cut back to 6 runners except for feature races and leave the distances where they make some sense

These sub 300m distances make an absolute joke of the sport




Mark Wilcox
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21 May 2019 19:34


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what a joke what are we racing whippets 259 meter races at Lismore 270 meters at Newcastle all dogs can run 400 whats wrong just run 6 dog fields over 400 don't worry about tab turnover the horses get it anyway


Sandro Bechini
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21 May 2019 21:13


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gillian wilcox wrote:

what a joke what are we racing whippets 259 meter races at Lismore 270 meters at Newcastle all dogs can run 400 whats wrong just run 6 dog fields over 400 don't worry about tab turnover the horses get it anyway

Exactly Gillian

Its about time we bludged off their earnings

We should just make sure we do right by our sport maintaining it's tradition and racing integrity.

Part of it is running over distances that test our breed.

The horse breeders have sold out to sprint racing and now owners and trainers have to import Stayers to run in major cups.

We don't need to follow them down that road.




Phil Hall
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21 May 2019 23:41


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steven martin wrote:

If the premier race track (in NSW) can't fill 10 races then track closures are near.

I heard rumour ages ago, that the plan is to have 14 tracks in nsw, dont know if it's right or not


Valerie Glover
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Phil it would good to be able to find the answer to that out, especially with redgo fees due next month, I am waiting as we have asked for a true answer, but having two separate bodies in control, answers are hard to achieve, as all in regional areas are and would most affected if your rumor , is any where correct, As Sandro has said there are changer's on the way, but I ask now is the time for admin, to come out with the future , we have been under the cloud for far too long{ some 16 yrs } Bob Glover


Simon Moore
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22 May 2019 05:22


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now is the time to promote breeding, not close tracks ffs.

this is what would happen if the government wasn't anti greyhound racing. it's as simple as that.


Sandro Bechini
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Simon

Its no good promoting more breeding without a proper rehoming plan and foster facilities for greyhounds at the end of their racing life.

While I am all for increases in breeding, not taking those measures in increasing the rehoming options will only see us falling into the Anti's hands again by giving them the fuel to reignite the closing of the sport

This is where our leaders have to focus their attention on and provide us with the options


Simon Moore
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of course they do, they need to do both. the two go hand in hand. they haven't done squat about any of it.

they just don't care and closing tracks is simply being lazy imo.



Steven Martin
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Sandro Bechini wrote:

Haven't seen 9 races at Wenty on a Wednesday for a long time

2 x 280m
2 x 720m (1-3)
5 x 520m

Maybe they should look at putting on 520m maidens on a Wednesday night with extra prizemoney to bolster fields


WHAT A DISCUSSING RACE MEETING, in reference to field numbers.

3 dog race.
4 dog race.
5 dog races.
6 dog races.
7 dog races.
Maidens racing against performed dogs.
Only 2 races had full fields.

OH YES...The BOOFINS got it right in early 2015. Thanks D1ckh3@d$.

THANK GOD the people have spoken again on the weekend, just like they did in October 2015.

The boofins have been told. We've had a gut full.


Jimmy Corbo
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23 May 2019 02:55


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Sandro Bechini wrote:

Simon

Its no good promoting more breeding without a proper rehoming plan and foster facilities for greyhounds at the end of their racing life.

While I am all for increases in breeding, not taking those measures in increasing the rehoming options will only see us falling into the Anti's hands again by giving them the fuel to reignite the closing of the sport

This is where our leaders have to focus their attention on and provide us with the options

Well said Sandro.


Geoffrey Monish
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23 May 2019 04:15


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gillian wilcox wrote:

what a joke what are we racing whippets 259 meter races at Lismore 270 meters at Newcastle all dogs can run 400 whats wrong just run 6 dog fields over 400 don't worry about tab turnover the horses get it anyway

The highest prize money is the 270 race .????? Go figure



Jamie Quinlivian
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23 May 2019 07:22


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Sandro Bechini wrote:

While I am all for increases in breeding, not taking those measures in increasing the rehoming options will only see us falling into the Anti's hands again by giving them the fuel to reignite the closing of the sport

Most anti's would be of the Green variety.
These are the same people who are in favour of full term abortion.
Well last year in Australia there were 71,000 abortions and there were 43,000,000 abortions worldwide.
How do their numbers stack up against greyhound euthanasia.
They say a 12 week old foetus with a beating heart is not 'life' yet they say a piece of frozen bacteria found on Mars is 'life'




Bruce Teague
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Some interesting thoughts here but I worry we are getting away from the main chance.

The beginning and end of governments' thought processes are confined to a restriction on breeding. They have identified and exploited what they see as excessive breeding and the industrys resultant inability to meet community standards of animal care. Hence the string of tough rules and promises of more. Scary!

Re-homing, GAP and all the rest of it are great. The more the merrier. But those efforts are flow-ons rather than prime movers.

The real worry is that it has sponsored all the gossip about euthanasia rates being a product of over-breeding a situation which never applied. Therefore one error - in arithmetic - was compounded by another when tighter rules arrived to satisfy the governments PR stance.

To make matters worse, GRNSW then commissioned a survey (basically of trainers alone) to find out why breeding had dropped off. It assumed for some strange reason that grading was the problem and so thats what the survey addressed. No announcement has been seen about what the survey revealed. It would not have helped anyway.

Besides, owners, breeders and trainers have already reacted by cutting back on dog numbers (since Feb 2015), with the only saver being that a handful of top sires are doing very nicely.

Correctly, all efforts should be directed towards encouraging more breeding by whatever means. An industry which is not advancing has only one other direction to go backwards. Standing still is never an option. You cant progress without dogs.




Steven Martin
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And last night at Albion Park the 710m WINTER CHASE was elevated to a GROUP 3 event for the first time....I'd imagine in an attempt to secure Heats for the event which has been running since 1993.

Well no heats could be salvaged which is only the second time its happen in the last 25 years.

Not even the G3 prize money could tempt trainers.
WHY?
Because dog supply is at a all time low.
The boofins put the SCARES up the industry in 2015 and people have stopped breeding & people have stopped buy pups.

Just last year only 1690 litters were registered when 3000 was around the norm.

That's 4 years in a row there has been a drop in breeding.
1690
1460
1500
2324

Tracks can't sustain meetings if they can't get dogs.



Steven Martin
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24 May 2019 05:06


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And yes Mick....Victoria is going from strength to strength in this area & near back to normal. The other States have been left in your dust.


Bruce Teague
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steven martin wrote:

And yes Mick....Victoria is going from strength to strength in this area & near back to normal. The other States have been left in your dust.

Vic figures for 2017/18 are nowhere near pre-2015 levels but did improve on the previous year. Shortly, we may know what happened in 2018/19.

Broadly, I don't think any state is much different. It is a massive issue and requires massive action.

For starters, I suggest a million dollar national marketing and PR program - funded proportionally by each state's income - to take the message out that the canine athlete is a great, historic and brilliant animal worth supporting.



Jamie Quinlivian
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Bruce, 2 weeks ago, I met with two gentlemen at the Ballarat track.
One of the gents had previously adopted one of my dogs and he was going to adopt another one, after she went through GAP.
So he came to the track to meet her.
We got there a bit early and the kennel house was open. So I took him for a tour and explained the kenneling procedure.
He didn't know about the vets table that every dog must go over.
He didn't know about the scales and the 1kg weight variation rule.
He didn't know about the climate controlled kennels.
And this guy is involved in a greyhound owners walking club in Melbourne with 15 other people, none of whom know about the kenneling procedure.
They actually believe that dogs are left in the their trailers until race time.
You can spend $100 million on PR if you like, but if people don't want to be educated, they will keep their eyes closed.



Steven Martin
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24 May 2019 23:28


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Bruce Teague wrote:

Vic figures for 2017/18 are nowhere near pre-2015 levels


My records are a bit more up todate then the national figures you look at Bruce, that's why I made the comment about Victoria's recent breeding figures.

For example if we take "January's figures" in Vic into account, 2019 saw a major jump to near level figures that we were accline to seeing before the Boofie's stepped in Feb 2015.

2019 - 92
2018 - 71
2017 - 38
2016 - 86
2015 - 99
2014 - 110
2013 - 109
2012 - 72

Mind you, last years total yearly figures were only marginally greater than 2017 figures as I stated previously, but you must admit January figures are uncouraging for the State of Vic.

As I've always stated, the industry will eventually be lassoed down to the one area, & this is more evidence to my beliefs as the other States are still idling at low levels compared to pre-2015.

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