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Are GRV enforcing these rules ?page  1 2 


Anthony McVicker
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11.7 Unless otherwise approved by the board, no registered person may train, keep (unless retired as a pet) or race any greyhounds at any property or premises which are deemed by the Board as being or as having been the Greyhound Training Property of a person who has had their registration ceased as a result of having been Disqualified, Warned Off, Effective 14 June 2016 Page 9
Suspended or declared to be a Defaulter for a breach or potential breach of the GARs or the Rules (the defaulting person).
For the avoidance of doubt the registered person and the person who has had their registration ceased need not be the same person. (amended 14/06/2016)

11.8 No person who is Disqualified, Warned Off, Suspended, declared to be a Defaulter or otherwise directed by the Board as falling within this Rule as a result of unacceptable
conduct by that person (the defaulting person), shall be permitted to transfer any ownership of any greyhound they own, or any training responsibilities for any greyhound they train, to (whether by initial transfer or any subsequent transfer):
(a) any other person who resided with the defaulting person at or about the time of the offence the subject of the Disqualification, Warning Off, Suspension, declaration of Default or direction of the Board;
(b) any relative, spouse or domestic partner of the defaulting person regardless of
whether they reside with the defaulting person; or
(c) any relative, spouse or domestic partner of any person falling within LR 11.8(a).
Approval of the Stewards must be obtained for the initial transfer, and all subsequent transfers, of the ownership and training responsibilities for each greyhound of a
defaulting person, on each occasion. Any transfer that may have occurred in breach of this Rule, whether before or after the introduction of this Rule, may be voided by the Board or Stewards




Bradley Miller
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21 Apr 2017 10:25


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Defiantly not its common to see a trainer get disqualified for a period of time but just transfer their dogs into their wife/ partners name while there on the sidelines it makes a mockery of the system!!


Mark Staines
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21 Apr 2017 10:32


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No different here in N.S.W.


Ian Bradshaw
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22 Apr 2017 04:50


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Are GRV enforcing these rules ?

I can't see how the current situation passes the pub test.



Bradley Miller
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22 Apr 2017 06:15


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You would think this rule should be enforced and policed pretty heavily, people only get suspended for doing something wrong so allowing them to simply transfer the dogs into there Wife/ partners name effectively means there was no punishment for doing the wrong thing!! It is ridiculous and when well known high profile trainers are doing it the GRV look silly rules are rules.


Mark Staines
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Its been the case for years and yes its a JOKE but don't, forget Clowns have been running this industry for decades and it has now become a Circus.


Charles W Mizzi
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22 Apr 2017 21:13


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Anthony McVicker wrote:

11.7 Unless otherwise approved by the board, no registered person may train, keep (unless retired as a pet) or race any greyhounds at any property or premises which are deemed by the Board as being or as having been the Greyhound Training Property of a person who has had their registration ceased as a result of having been Disqualified, Warned Off, Effective 14 June 2016 Page 9
Suspended or declared to be a Defaulter for a breach or potential breach of the GARs or the Rules (the defaulting person).
For the avoidance of doubt the registered person and the person who has had their registration ceased need not be the same person. (amended 14/06/2016)

11.8 No person who is Disqualified, Warned Off, Suspended, declared to be a Defaulter or otherwise directed by the Board as falling within this Rule as a result of unacceptable
conduct by that person (the defaulting person), shall be permitted to transfer any ownership of any greyhound they own, or any training responsibilities for any greyhound they train, to (whether by initial transfer or any subsequent transfer):
(a) any other person who resided with the defaulting person at or about the time of the offence the subject of the Disqualification, Warning Off, Suspension, declaration of Default or direction of the Board;
(b) any relative, spouse or domestic partner of the defaulting person regardless of
whether they reside with the defaulting person; or
(c) any relative, spouse or domestic partner of any person falling within LR 11.8(a).
Approval of the Stewards must be obtained for the initial transfer, and all subsequent transfers, of the ownership and training responsibilities for each greyhound of a
defaulting person, on each occasion. Any transfer that may have occurred in breach of this Rule, whether before or after the introduction of this Rule, may be voided by the Board or Stewards

I suggest that you send the CEO an email and ask the question. It's free and he is obligated to give some sought of answer.

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Since a Victorian trainer won an appeal in VCAT a precedence has been set. Any husband and wife combo/defacto have an advantage over single trainers and the spouse continues to train and the kennel is not disrupted.

Owners should be jumping up and down about this as it effects them when, changing trainers/environment effects the dogs as they are creatures of habit.

This has happened on 5 or 6 occasions in recent times and a very high profile trainers kennel goes on without missing a beat! SO WHERE IS THE PENALTY.

AS SOMEONE HAS ALREADY SAID "IT IS A JOKE"

OBVIOUSLY SOME PEOPLE ARE TREATED MORE EQUAL THAN OTHERS.



Peter Bryce
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22 Apr 2017 21:21


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I may be wrong but I think you will find under Law you cant discriminate against an Individual. Civil rights come into play.
Restraint of Trade is also a point at Law available to the Partner.
After the Live Baiting GRV Appointed The Ex Police Commissioner as well as a Lady Board Member who is a Barrister with the purpose of rewriting the Rules Of Racing to recognise the Rights to Common Law
The Rules of any Sports cannot deny the participants their Civil Rights


Charles W Mizzi
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Yes Peter, that has already been proven through the Malia/Magri VCAT case, since then training combo's have continued with a partner disqualified. This is unacceptable and unfair to single trainers.

What stands out is WHAT IS THE PENALTY. A recent example is a high profile trainer gets 3 months, SO TELL US WHAT THE REAL PENALTY IS, they cannot participate in the training of the dogs (so no chating about what dog is going where)cannot attend a race track or any place used for the training of greyhounds,(but not the family home), maybe you will have to pay someone to help out (so what)
Kennel and owners not disrupted, business as usual.

SO THE PENALTY IS.........THERE IS NO PENALTY!



Anthony McVicker
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They make new rules and then don't apply when they make big statements about whats best for the industry, but what really shits me is that GRV are spending millions going after the innocent and not bothering to apply their own rules to everyone fairly



Ryan Vanderwert
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23 Apr 2017 02:58


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ian bradshaw wrote:

Are GRV enforcing these rules ?

I can't see how the current situation passes the pub test.

hahaha, and that's about where this topic shld end as clearly no one has read the brief(if it's who I'm thinking this convo is about).............I thought he shlda been fined if at all that, suspension was extremely harsh.



Bradley Miller
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23 Apr 2017 08:59


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Rules are rules Ryan what you think someone should have got for breaking the rules is irrelevant!! If they are suspended they should be penalised and transferring dogs to their wife/ partners name is not punishment!!!



Anthony McVicker
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I am not referring to anyone directly, but when they make a big song and dance about new rules and don't enforce yet crush other peoples lives it pisses me off



Mick Thompson
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Anthony McVicker wrote:

I am not referring to anyone directly, but when they make a big song and dance about new rules and don't enforce yet crush other peoples lives it pisses me off

Here's that word again DISCRIMINATION weather its the Horse Code or the people in the Greyhound industry that word should be fought tooth & nail.




Ryan Vanderwert
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Bradley miller wrote:

Rules are rules Ryan what you think someone should have got for breaking the rules is irrelevant!! If they are suspended they should be penalised and transferring dogs to their wife/ partners name is not punishment!!!

generally I wld agree with what you have stated Bradley, however in this case(if indeed it was the same case we are talking about), the dog hadn't raced for almost 3 months when they visited...........surely recognise the circs in that he was upset that a very fast dog in his care was possibly never going to race again & they shld've just given him a call and let him know whats happening, he wld then let them know whats happening, may have saved everything that eventuated.............just common sense.

surely you can understand this type of situation is a little different to the norm.

penalty v/harsh imo


Terry Jordan
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Peter Bryce wrote:

I may be wrong but I think you will find under Law you cant discriminate against an Individual. Civil rights come into play.
Restraint of Trade is also a point at Law available to the Partner.
After the Live Baiting GRV Appointed The Ex Police Commissioner as well as a Lady Board Member who is a Barrister with the purpose of rewriting the Rules Of Racing to recognise the Rights to Common Law
The Rules of any Sports cannot deny the participants their Civil Rights

Where's the discrimination Peter, if you agree to abide by the current rules, Governing this sport? If your a Truckie and go positive to Amphetamines, YOUR sacked! Restraint of trade? unfair dismissal? EACH and EVERY case should be adjudicated on MERIT, and PENALTIES in line with DECEPTION or ERROR! No such thing as GREY area's in Greyhound Racing apparently


Bradley Miller
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24 Apr 2017 08:54


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Ryan IMO It shouldn't matter if your dog is running in a G1 this week or it hasn't raced in 3 months a swab should not be refused the only reason people would refuse a swab is they have something to hide!!



Ryan Vanderwert
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after his counsel had spoken with him he allowed them to swab the dog the next day, so obviously upset(to me), they chose a dog that may never be back.

they clearly had to impose some penalty for him refusing the swab, but believe they ended up understanding the circs and why he reacted, which is why the dogs are in his wifes name is my guess.

penalty harsh, fine more appropriate imo.

pardon my ignorance from a training perspective, if we look at your scenario......something to hide......

if the dog is seriously injured is he not allowed to treat the dog under the guidance of a vet to try to get it back to the track ? why wld that be considered " something to hide" Bradley ?


Bradley Miller
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I'm not a trainer just a greyhound follower so I have no idea on what you can or can't do to get a dog back to the track!! I look at it from a human athlete scenario and regardless of competing or if injured they can't take anything that is illegal to get them back on track! I'm a realist and in all industries where money is involved a small percentage of people do the wrong thing to get an advantage which gives the industry a bad reputation at times hence the reason I think they should have the book thrown at them and not be allowed to transfer dogs to wife's/ partners names. When a swab is refused I instantly think someone is hiding something or why would you refuse!
Anyway the question asked was are the GRV enforcing the rules and I'd say from someone that has a small interest and enjoys the industry I say they need to get better as consistency is non existent and if they want to clean the industry up it shouldn't matter if your the biggest trainer in the state or the smallest if you do the wrong thing then they should be punished.



Ryan Vanderwert
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Bradley what you've described is cynicism not realism and I'm not meaning that in a derogatory way. Some people are just that way.

I wld have thought transparency wld be a far better approach. The cobalt saga with the horses is a classic example where you have racing integrity and participants hating each others guts. No good comes from that.

On one hand integrity have been hammered in the past by trainers exploiting rules and always being one step ahead. Now that integrity appears to have caught up with testing regimes, they appear intent of nailing participants to the wall by ruining their reputations, businesses and lives, with a guilty until proven innocent(at great cost) attitude. They don't seem to care what damage is done and have no regard for human rights - racing is suffering as a result, because they now have egg on their face with the Kav/Obrien acquittal and are looking to cover up. Respect for the integrity department is diminishing by the day publicly.

Just feel it's something to learn from, leaving the past in the past, not trying to settle a score(or petty jealousy's), and moving on. It appears they are trying to gain transparency and respect here with this case by showing a little 'give', moving the dogs into the partners name. I think its a step fwd treating case by case, and a far more professional way to behave.

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