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Anthony Jeffress Australia (Verified User) Posts 3669 Dogs 54 / Races 10 17 May 2017 23:35
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I wonder if those 3 might have been some of the thousands painfully and cruelly poisoned by the NSW Government's eradication program? ...
Charles W Mizzi Australia (Verified User) Posts 684 Dogs 1 / Races 1 18 May 2017 00:15
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Anthony, any thing is possible..........maybe it is FAKE EVIDENCE!
Someone throws a mauled rabbit in my front garden will I be suspended. How easy would it be to set someone up. Very in my view and of course the authorities are above reproach.
Still nothing public on Shillington and Mitchell, what ever happened there I wonder. Maybe some deals done behind closed doors.
Jason Bolwell Australia (Verified User) Posts 130 Dogs 44 / Races 1 18 May 2017 01:49
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Drive past lots of dead vermin on the side of the road and no one blinks an eye but if it's in the vicinity of a greyhound participants residence than there needs to be an inquiry. The do gooders are having a field day with this, as I have said before as long as the industry keeps sucking up to these nut job minority's the worse it will get. We are talking about vermin here we still poison, shoot and run over them. Greyhound authorities shouldn't even publicise crap like this.
Bill Deguara Australia (Verified User) Posts 215 Dogs 2 / Races 0 18 May 2017 03:04
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jason bolwell wrote:
Drive past lots of dead vermin on the side of the road and no one blinks an eye but if it's in the vicinity of a greyhound participants residence than there needs to be an inquiry. The do gooders are having a field day with this, as I have said before as long as the industry keeps sucking up to these nut job minority's the worse it will get. We are talking about vermin here we still poison, shoot and run over them. Greyhound authorities shouldn't even publicise crap like this.
There are thousands,of rabbits running around these paddocks,so 3 carcasses are found and it automatically is presumed that they have been used by a greyhound owner or trainer,what a load of rubbish,unless one is caught using the said rabbits it does'nt matter how many carcasses are found you cannot charge anyone with an offence so why is GRNSW getting involved in all this shit,Doing the right thing is fine but looking for unneccesary trouble is another,
Malcolm Smart Australia (Verified User) Posts 12802 Dogs 19 / Races 34 18 May 2017 21:06
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new motto around GRNSW coat of arms "Guilty until proven innocent."
Simon Moore Australia (Verified User) Posts 2366 Dogs 32 / Races 393 18 May 2017 21:13
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I'm starting to think it's just GUILTY for everything no matter what.
Joe Baldacchino Australia (Verified User) Posts 561 Dogs 6 / Races 2 19 May 2017 00:26
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I just can't get over the hypocrisy of GRNSW, a Government Regulated Body, treating this as a case of cruelty, and another NSW Govt body, the Department of Primary Industry, classifying the mass eradication of these same 'poor' bunnies through calici virus and myxamotosis as environmental control. Not to mention the RSPCA, who claimed that they could do nothing about the latter as it was a 'licensed cull'. Go figure.
Sandro Bechini Australia (Verified User) Posts 19488 Dogs 15268 / Races 1856 19 May 2017 01:03
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Why is everyone jumping to conclusions?
Doesn't the article say that an investigation into the death of those rabbits is being done?
That tells me they haven't decided either way whether there is a case to answer or not.
GRNSW is involved because they were found on a greyhound trainers property.
If they were found next door on Joe Blogg's property then there is nothing to investigate.
The fact being that the previous version of GRNSW was criticised for not being diligent in these matters which led to the banning of the sport.
Now that they are being diligent, they are being criticised on here.
As long as those participants are treated fairly then what is the issue?
The only problem I can see is what someone mentioned before is that a set up could be in play for another person with a grudge.
However, as most people know, a tip off is usually given by someone with a vested interest in the outcome
Valerie Glover Australia (Verified User) Posts 239 Dogs 2 / Races 0 19 May 2017 03:34
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Yes Sandro you are right ,, there is a difference, 1, it is on page 5 of my newspaper about the rabbit story,, and page 22 for the story of our own ato officer taken us all for some $169 mill, see the diff, we are in the spotlight for the wrong reasons with out any firm evidence ,all the time , Bob Glover
Joe Baldacchino Australia (Verified User) Posts 561 Dogs 6 / Races 2 19 May 2017 05:18
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Sandro, no Detective or other form of investigating officer in his or her right mind, would disclose in any way or form, that (a) he or she is conducting an investigation into an incident and (b) details of that investigation.
Stephen Dodds, a former Detective Sergeant, should know this.
This is GRNSW grandstanding and by their own actions, the matter has apparently already received media attention that serves no purpose other than to discredit the industry and its participants.
This reminds me of the Harry Sarkis 'live baiting' claim and the 'cattle prod' matter at the Gardens. Both were publicised in the press and the general public convicted the industry and its participants there and then. That no charges were preferred as a result of the investigations received no press at all.
If there is enough evidence and charges are preferred, fine, declare that an investigation has taken place and provide details of the charges. But GRNSW should not be blowing their trumpet until the investigation is concluded.
Sandro Bechini wrote:
Why is everyone jumping to conclusions?
Doesn't the article say that an investigation into the death of those rabbits is being done?
That tells me they haven't decided either way whether there is a case to answer or not.
GRNSW is involved because they were found on a greyhound trainers property.
If they were found next door on Joe Blogg's property then there is nothing to investigate.
The fact being that the previous version of GRNSW was criticised for not being diligent in these matters which led to the banning of the sport.
Now that they are being diligent, they are being criticised on here.
As long as those participants are treated fairly then what is the issue?
The only problem I can see is what someone mentioned before is that a set up could be in play for another person with a grudge.
However, as most people know, a tip off is usually given by someone with a vested interest in the outcome
Sandro Bechini Australia (Verified User) Posts 19488 Dogs 15268 / Races 1856 19 May 2017 05:24
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Valerie Glover wrote:
Yes Sandro you are right ,, there is a difference, 1, it is on page 5 of my newspaper about the rabbit story,, and page 22 for the story of our own ato officer taken us all for some $169 mill, see the diff, we are in the spotlight for the wrong reasons with out any firm evidence ,all the time , Bob Glover
I don't see your point
The ATO story has been everywhere over the last few days
Sandro Bechini Australia (Verified User) Posts 19488 Dogs 15268 / Races 1856 19 May 2017 05:29
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Joe Baldacchino wrote:
Sandro, no Detective or other form of investigating officer in his or her right mind, would disclose in any way or form, that (a) he or she is conducting an investigation into an incident and (b) details of that investigation.
Stephen Dodds, a former Detective Sergeant, should know this.
This is GRNSW grandstanding and by their own actions, the matter has apparently already received media attention that serves no purpose other than to discredit the industry and its participants.
This reminds me of the Harry Sarkis 'live baiting' claim and the 'cattle prod' matter at the Gardens. Both were publicised in the press and the general public convicted the industry and its participants there and then. That no charges were preferred as a result of the investigations received no press at all.
If there is enough evidence and charges are preferred, fine, declare that an investigation has taken place and provide details of the charges. But GRNSW should not be blowing their trumpet until the investigation is concluded.
Sandro Bechini wrote:
Why is everyone jumping to conclusions?
Doesn't the article say that an investigation into the death of those rabbits is being done?
That tells me they haven't decided either way whether there is a case to answer or not.
GRNSW is involved because they were found on a greyhound trainers property.
If they were found next door on Joe Blogg's property then there is nothing to investigate.
The fact being that the previous version of GRNSW was criticised for not being diligent in these matters which led to the banning of the sport.
Now that they are being diligent, they are being criticised on here.
As long as those participants are treated fairly then what is the issue?
The only problem I can see is what someone mentioned before is that a set up could be in play for another person with a grudge.
However, as most people know, a tip off is usually given by someone with a vested interest in the outcome
Joe
They obviously don't look at it this way
Due to the negative publicity received for NOT doing anything about live baiting, perhaps they think it is better to promote the fact that they are actually doing something about it
Why sweep it under the carpet? We have nothing else to lose except gain a reputation for weeding out the bad seeds.
The article mentions that an investigation was under way, I don't understand what else it can be called.
Aesthetically, maybe it could be called an inquiry instead of an investigation
Either way, someone is working out was their live baiting or not.
Simon Moore Australia (Verified User) Posts 2366 Dogs 32 / Races 393 19 May 2017 05:32
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sandro,
its ok to say that but what if it were you who was suspended while an investigation was being conducted?
problem with this type of thing is that it would be far too easy for anti's to set up innocent people like this.
in some areas there are more rabbits than there are ants.
Tony Digiorgio Australia (Verified User) Posts 1008 Dogs 25 / Races 0 19 May 2017 05:37
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Is the author renowned for "slinging mud"?
Why would ARG allow such a story to be published?
Andrew Plasier Australia (Verified User) Posts 1279 Dogs 0 / Races 16 19 May 2017 05:38
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the news doesn't deserve page 5 in the paper that's for sure,& I don't know why they suspended the person already,i thought they would wait till it was proved they used the rabbits.
Sandro Bechini Australia (Verified User) Posts 19488 Dogs 15268 / Races 1856 19 May 2017 05:38
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Simon
At this stage, I don't think any names have been mentioned publicly.
No doubt it would be stressful for the person involved.
If it were me, and I knew I was innocent, of course I would be worried that someone tried to set me up.
But, lets look at it logically though.
Even if a person was guilty of such an act, why would you leave the evidence lying around in the knowledge that an inspection could drop on you anytime.
It lends more weight to the fact that a person may have been set up.
My opinion is that unless they catch a person in the act, how can anyone assume that the person who owns the property actually perpetrated the act.
Andrew Plasier Australia (Verified User) Posts 1279 Dogs 0 / Races 16 19 May 2017 05:43
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exactly,who would leave dead rabbits laying around! c'mon
Simon Moore Australia (Verified User) Posts 2366 Dogs 32 / Races 393 19 May 2017 05:45
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because all greyhound participants are criminals and illytraete remember, lol.
Sandro Bechini Australia (Verified User) Posts 19488 Dogs 15268 / Races 1856 19 May 2017 05:46
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simon moore wrote:
because all greyhound participants are criminals and illytraete remember, lol.
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